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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 16:09:34 GMT -5
I used to care more about offending people, I would care about their feelings.
But from decades viscously arguing with people online. From being excoriated, to excoriating others with less remorse each time, I feel like I have changed.
This really ramped up in 2015, and has gone beyond politics, but to really any subject I feel passionate about.
What's more is that I have also began behaving like this in real-life, on a variety of topics. I've become accustom to just telling people things flat, with no regard to how it makes them feel.
I argue endlessly, until the person is too exhausted to continue. Which is actually a failure, because they are convinced of nothing.
Maybe it also has to do with getting older? I noticed old people especially just don't give a shit, and say what they want. It is actually quite funny to witness.
Or maybe this is just the way our society is moving, and we are just acting more like chimps than socialized humans.
What are your thoughts?
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Post by xeepeep on Jan 10, 2024 16:30:01 GMT -5
It has something to do with the fact that you developed a crack addiction sometime in 2022. You conveniently neglected to mention that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 17:40:32 GMT -5
maybe in my case it's an accelerationist perspective on actively sabotaging western civilization to its core through the sheer force of autism, as well as genuine indifference to whatever husk of morality and justice is still left. i'm in the waldgang baby
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Post by Killer5 on Jan 10, 2024 18:57:48 GMT -5
Tbh for me real life experience makes me care less about offending people. Especially in the workplace where not saying something in order to protect someone's feelings can cost time and money.
Online I follow the golden rule: treat others the way you want to be treated unless someone has said or done something which causes me to lose all respect for them (see this year's cacoward thread for examples of people in other places who deserve no respect).
In political arguments I just disregard people who say 'nazi', 'racist', 'whatever-phobe'.. also disregard people who distill everything they don't agree with as 'far-right talking points.' These people also lose all respect.
Tbh having lived experience being directly affected by the culture war and the jab (Biden's bs OSHA order) makes me have very little patience for most people is another big reason I no longer care.
Meh other stuff but yeah.. completely out of patience for a lot of things now-a-days.. and people online, unless they are ones I know I want to converse with, I have very little patience for.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 20:41:20 GMT -5
Idk if it makes you less empathetic towards others but I feel like it can lead to you becoming needlessly argumentative. Most media online nowadays is manufactured to drive people into pointless arguments in order to boost engagement among their audience (see the flood of YouTube callout / drama videos, or "tierlist" discussion online). I've noticed that this can lead to people online becoming more and more frustrated and angry over every little thing, and becoming irrationally upset and antagonistic about something they would otherwise never care about, and that sort of thing can easily spill over into their real life. IRL people can fairly easily pick up on that sort of volatile and aggressive argument style and become either overwhelmed or uninterested in continuing that sort of discussion.
This sort of engagement tactic online has really pushed a lot of people into becoming really angry and isolated from others. Of course, some things are worth debating with others, but I think it's important to recognize when something just isn't worth engaging with and to walk away (for you own sanity).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 12:02:05 GMT -5
It has something to do with the fact that you developed a crack addiction sometime in 2022. You conveniently neglected to mention that. Like Whitney Huston once said: "Crack is cheap. I make too much money to ever smoke crack"  I did try cocaine a few times in my 20s, but I really didn't like it, nor do I recommend it. Ironically, that freakout in 2022 was actually due to a T-break from not smoking weed. Causes mood swings.  I actually haven't blazed in 41 days. But plan on it in a few weeks from now. |
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Post by picks-a-tool on Jan 11, 2024 15:49:08 GMT -5
Well, safe from a few exceptions, I'm a rather apathetic person by nature. Online discourses rarely has any effect on me so it don't add nor subtract a thing.
Plus the few times I went into disclosing my personal life, takes and whatnots sincerely instead of using analogies, metaphors or even when I was open to the prospect of something akin to friendship didn't worked at all. 'twas met with total indifference if not downright perceived as a joke. The more I think of it the less I want to, so shitposting seems the only way to go.
And, in the end, boss, this thread was created mainly to dispel your boredom - correct? It means as much to you until you make another for the exact same purpose. It's quite predictable. A few come by, drop their spiel and it's all soon forgotten. Nothing sticks. No one cares. So why even take anything into heart to begin with?
Like, do you actually care for what some weirdo with an anime or cat pfp have to say? Are u nuts or something? last bit is rethorical
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Post by SilverMiner on Jan 11, 2024 16:05:39 GMT -5
muhahahaa
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 16:18:09 GMT -5
Well, safe from a few exceptions, I'm a rather apathetic person by nature. Online discourses rarely has any effect on me so it don't add nor subtract a thing. Plus the few times I went into disclosing my personal life, takes and whatnots sincerely instead of using analogies, metaphors or even when I was open to the prospect of something akin to friendship didn't worked at all. 'twas met with total indifference if not downright perceived as a joke. The more I think of it the less I want to, so shitposting seems the only way to go. And, in the end, boss, this thread was created mainly to dispel your boredom - correct? It means as much to you until you make another for the exact same purpose. It's quite predictable. A few come by, drop their spiel and it's all soon forgotten. Nothing sticks. No one cares. So why even take anything into heart to begin with? Like, do you actually care for what some weirdo with an anime or cat pfp have to say? Are u nuts or something? last bit is rethoricalYep, that's pretty much it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 16:24:33 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 16:43:18 GMT -5
Just as an aside, I really hate it when people smoke weed in public (especially when i take a t-break). I want to stomp their fucking skull in, and break their bones.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 17:00:49 GMT -5
it's not really worth it having arguments irl about the same stuff you might argue (perhaps more bluntly and honestly) with strangers online. maybe it's rarely worth it to get into any arguments at all, but you especially don't want to end up discussing the jq or some shit
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Jan 11, 2024 21:27:21 GMT -5
A huge portion of internet activity is sock puppets, bots and trolls so I generally avoid engaging outside of some shit posting unless it seams someone is acting in good faith. You can't convince an idiot that they are an idiot after all. The most antagonistic verbal sparring I've been in has been irl by far but how I earned my paychecks for a long time was dependent on that so my perspective probably doesn't represent most people.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 21:57:22 GMT -5
Most people that talk shit on the internet are a bunch of fucking pussies, with the exception of drill rappers that murder people over twitter feuds.
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Post by JadingTsunami on Jan 12, 2024 0:17:25 GMT -5
The most antagonistic verbal sparring I've been in has been irl by far but how I earned my paychecks for a long time was dependent on that story time |
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Post by dn on Jan 12, 2024 0:27:13 GMT -5
if you see some dumb motherfucker eating rocks then it is your moral duty to tell them to stop. Ignoring dumb motherfuckery is actually the less empathetic option: encouraging it is objectively evil.
I only fucking hit you because I love you. But, by god, you are as stupid as shit, etcetera.
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Jan 12, 2024 11:12:29 GMT -5
Somewhat agree but I also think that if a dumbfuck wants to eat rocks that's just evolution in action. We are a bit removed from the old ways of natural selection though so it's a bit of a grey area in my eyes. However I don't consider it my responsibility to be anyone's savior outside of my family. Not that I haven't felt compelled to take on that burden more than a few times. In the end though I think a huge portion of humanity are just really dumb herd animals after seeing studies of just how broken their cognitive skills are and I retired from being a metaphorical zookeeper a few years ago. The most antagonistic verbal sparring I've been in has been irl by far but how I earned my paychecks for a long time was dependent on that story time I spent about a decade doing really intense security work. I don't tell stories about the kind of shit I dealt with day to day though. Rational people would think I was making it up. I know I would. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2024 12:08:14 GMT -5
tbh leftism itself is evil, unless you're some kind of tankie edgelord who still has some actual grip on how humanity works. it's a bunch of socially engineered psyops designed to make you miserable, you don't even have to be a giga chud to see this, but then again once you start arguing against it you're playing their own game to some extent. i didn't bother trying to save people getting a gazillion boosters either, or simping for whores etc. and i would probably need some saving myself anyway. some of the people you meet online are interesting to discuss some esoteric autistic bullshit with tho
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Post by picks-a-tool on Jan 12, 2024 12:56:19 GMT -5
A particular's ambidexterity (or lack of thereof) is completely irrelevant to the topic. You know, I'm starting to firmly believe for you to not be made of shit but instead full of it.
Wanna funnily discuss sum esoterism? Awr'ght! Give me a report on "Why Land of Cockayne isn't a mediocre Soft Machine record despite not having a single founding member". 3000 chars, proper formatting and yes, you can use metrics and modes - unless by esoteric bs you mean the comments you've left on the last batch of javs you've fapp'd to. Gross!
Astaghfirullah. Grant me a tight grip to behead this vermin if true.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2024 13:14:06 GMT -5
whatever, i don't believe you're technically following evil either, or do you? i don't really watch javs i'd argue following evil is relevant to the soteriological bent this particular thread has taken if you don't feel like saving me i guess you can crucify me for whatever hot take you believe it's me being sub 45 iq. or practice what you preach and don't care either
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Post by picks-a-tool on Jan 12, 2024 14:34:06 GMT -5
Depends. I'm mildly alcoholic and currently considering spousing this grocery story clerk I've been dating so I can fulfill my destiny and have a wife to beat. Sadly there's a lot of paperwok involved between me and my fanfic.
In any case, I'm very fond of spaghetti but not so much of feminists. So you could say that I'm more inclined towards shivvin' your guts than savin' your soul. Although I do bear great sympathy towards repentant coomers. As long as you're swimmin' against the tide, ragazzi, sure, I can sheet my knife.
PWYP is quite an overlooked Testament LP. Good taste. But you can spill the beans here and say "pls save me senpai" already. There's no shame in it. I'll tell you this. Gonna make sure to squeeze you in my prayers today 'mkay? If it doesn't work, I'll fetch some nails then.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2024 18:58:53 GMT -5
i see you're redpilled on who pushed the current age of consent laws after the sexual revolution, though it seems they forgot to look up the italian one. best of luck with both the wife beating and the praying part
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Post by TheFantasticFungiFan on Jan 12, 2024 20:25:25 GMT -5
I think it can bring down your mood and therefore make you less likely to have sympathy for the people around you. I think it can get you in the habit of assuming the worst about people. The internet has definitely made people less accepting of their differences, and it's easy to get sucked into that mindset no matter what kind of person you are. When you spend a lot of time surrounded by negativity, it tends to make you negative. But the fact that you would ask a question like this shows that you at least care. A lot of people don't have enough self-awareness to even consider how they treat other people. Arguing on the internet can be gratifying because everyone is always a winner in their own head. In real life, arguments don't work that way, and I think that a lot of younger people (under 18 at least) who were born "plugged in" are going to learn that the hard way when they have to deal with people our age.
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Post by JadingTsunami on Jan 13, 2024 19:08:00 GMT -5
Once you recognize that online arguments are really a stage for the arguer to grandstand to a virtual audience, they lose their appeal.
Finding someone interested in an actual conversation and not having it derailed by low-effort antics is too rare to warrant the investment.
It can happen in isolated spaces, but they require active cultivation. Without sustained effort, it won't happen with any regularity.
The terminal state of this frustration is either silence or reaction trolling. The latter choice depends on whether you get enjoyment from that kind of thing.
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Post by picks-a-tool on Jan 14, 2024 15:37:52 GMT -5
You make good use of the all-seeing eye, windy fella. Th'tssa very accurate body of accounts you've laid here. If you don't mind, I have a few anecdotes to share. At the end of the day, I believe such to be a matter of faith - as in "how much trust am I willing to confer upon an online persona in order to cultivate something meaningful besides the bare minimun necessary for the sake of casual conversation?" Thing is, when you enter the matrix you're granted the perfect alibi to be dishonest. That's basically dogma, and downright blasphemy, if not plain stupidity not to embrace it. I don't get my kicks out of being unironically scummy tho - it usually does have a purpose. At worst, it's just me sharing my eclectic sense of humour but more often than not, 'tis a bonding tool. One that the ones surrounding me irl already knows pretty damn well or endures quite poorly. More or less, akin to the frivolous tales forty once disclosed in regards to his cleaning habits. Plus, I do use a fair deal of what remains of my mental faculties into said antics so.. modesty aside, I don't think that the low-effort ascription fits me  "Reaction trolling", perhaps, but there's also no low self-esteem here. I don't smile for the camera or seek validation in an auditorium. There's an intrinsic invitation for any to partake into some deliberate foolishness with me but there's no expectation for that to happen.. unlike when you bet your own sanity by going against the doctrine, and try to link a private connection with somebody else's not for a mere ephemeral convenience - like a dose of confirmation bias or to appease your wildest desires or in sprouting community projects- but at a fundamental, personal level. Most aren't willing to go there but to escape instead. Things gets too real. One may start to care and her begynner mine arr... |
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