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Post by 40oz on Sept 11, 2017 7:17:17 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder if there really is this much more crime, violence, pedophilia, corruption, etc. going on in the world today than there was in the past, or has modern technology just enabled us to be more aware of it? Certainly, being able to record audio, video, and take pictures with our phones has made it much easier to generate evidence when catching someone in the act, then use social media to spread that information virally. I wonder if this is somehow an abuse of the technology. People share videos and articles all the time. Mundane, moderate, and boring stuff gets quickly buried under the avalanche of more attention-getting headlines. It seems to me that the more radical they are, be it favorable or unfavorable, the more likely they are able to spread virally. Things like puppies and achievements in physical fitness are super favorable, while videos of street fights, racist people, and police brutality are unfavorable. The most recent unfavorable reaction provoking video I know of is a cop who arrested a nurse for not drawing blood or something. Recent headlines indicate that this cop has been fired only a day or two later. In almost every 'unfavorable' event or surfacing of information that spreads virally, it's usually followed by some sort of necessary consequence. Someone makes a public apology, retracts a statement, gets fired, is forced to resign, a company stops a program, shuts down completely, investors pull their funding, or something else absolute. There's too many different events that have happened for me to look into every circumstance with a fine-toothed comb. Often, the big picture is immediately clear, but sometimes more important determining details are obfuscated. News articles are sometimes poorly reported, or has some sort of bias that influences it. People share each other's posts, which amplifies the volume of the reaction, but not the credentials of the speaker. Many of the shared posts are just well-articulated responses to the coverage of the event, and not firsthand witnesses of the event. Sometimes videos are modified or cut apart or started recording too late, which hides important context clues towards the escalation of the situation. The culmination of all of this is akin to a "whisper down the lane" exchange of information rather than irrefutable evidence. Yes, it's more than likely that the events portrayed happened exactly, or at least close enough to how they are portrayed in the given material. Perhaps there is enough behind the scenes investigation into the event and the boring details don't spread virally through the internet before the story is over. But that, I'm usually unsure of. What I have observed is that many people are starting to see the power of organizing and revolting against things that are bad. I've seen picketing, protests, riots, marches, and more lately about more and more nuanced things. I've also seen more people react in a manner that seems disproportionate to the toxicity of a thing. The Occupy Wall Street movement had a very unclear objective and was very disorganized. But when the massive weight of responsibility can be pegged on a single person, or organization, there are consequences that come from it. So I'm confused. In terms of deciding how to respond, it seems as though there is a blurry line between factual documented evidence testifiable in court, and the desire to restore peace. When a storm of comments read people shouting that this person needs to be fired, or this company needs to be shut down, etc., are people generally better at predicting the course of action that takes place, or does the virality of it have some sort of influence on the outcome? Sometimes I wonder if this decade of social networking would have changed the fate of Doom and the lineage of shooter games if it existed twenty years ago. Would Doom have even stood a chance when angry stay-at-home moms dominated twitter before PC gaming really took off? Violent video games and movies were desensitizing our youth and breeding them into criminals! Would distribution chains cave to the pressure and take Doom off it's shelves? Would the spokespeople defending these games become demonized on the internet? Would there even be enough time for anyone even consider the evidence that these games have no negative influence on the psychological development of the children that play them?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 10:24:04 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder if there really is this much more crime, violence, pedophilia, corruption, etc. going on in the world today than there was in the past, or has modern technology just enabled us to be more aware of it? I know you probably won't have time to read all of this. Still, I will post this here for those who are interested. The statistics show that crime in the United States is the lowest it has ever been in over twenty-five years. No, there is *not* more crime, violence, and pedophilia: Public perception towards crime has not changed. People think it is much higher than it truly is. The cause? I believe that the media and various news YouTube channels are over-hyping the true severity of issues like violent crime and terrorism. The hype (some of which is justified) is leading to an increase in tension on both the left and right, which causes more riots and crackdowns on civil liberties. Also, leftists continue to aggravate conservatives with online censorship proposals. The right still leads in terms of rioting though, ANTIFA has not surpassed them yet. Though the violent left is definitely growing, in response to Trump. However, there is evidence to suggest that asylum-seekers are causing an increase in crime. Also linked to higher rates of unemployment: On the other hand, I'm reading things like this. Seems that the 'evidence' is still controversial: Either way, if Syrian asylum-seekers and illegals are contributing to a paranoid public, why not curtail their arrival priority? Still seems like a logical way to tackle terrorism concerns to me. Enough evidence is there to suggest that it could become a problem long-term if no action is taken now. Also, it is not 'racist' to critique the hugely flawed belief system of Islam. On the issue of censorship. One thing people are quickly noticing now is the clear far-left bias of YouTube. First it was their front page gay and transgender rights agenda (two very separate issues that shouldn't be lumped together in the first place), censoring comments of people who took issue with their promotion of pregnant men and scientifically inaccurate treatment of "gender" through these new, made-up gender identity politics. Their platform is actively removing the right for certain channels to monetize their videos simply based on political views alone: Ron Paul and Jordan Peterson are being targeted in a campaign set to rid YouTube of "fake news". There are many others that are being targeted as well. Conservatives are the primary enemy it seems. But is it any surprise that a mere criticism (using free speech) about Bill C-16 would land you in trouble with The Tube? Not at all, they are in the think tank for leftists. And the bill deserves criticism. It is legislating gender identity politics, which are not rooted in biological sex (scientific fact). You can't legislate feelings, it is ludicrous. The term is too loosely defined. It is targeting conservative values. Of course, some trolls on the right complicate and worsen the issue with their shitposting tactics and comment harassment. I feel like if users of the site were more constructive with their criticism, YouTube wouldn't have as much moral ground to stand on when it comes to targeting money-making opportunities for channels on the right. It is still wrong for them to do so, either way. But reactionary channels that pick people to laugh at are harmful to the situation, in my opinion. Often, the big picture is immediately clear, but sometimes more important determining details are obfuscated. Is it really clear though? If the president himself is shouting FAKE NEWS, and statistics seem all over the map in terms of what to believe, and the left and right begin eating each other alive over every little disagreement, can you easily find and point to the root problem? It's no wonder that riots are on the rise. People are flabbergasted and confused over what to believe. They are revolting against the (perceived?) corruption of the system. I have my own ideas as to what is going on, but I'll be damned if I'm certain that they're correct.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 14:52:07 GMT -5
Heh, here's the "proof" cited by Politifact as the supposed reason for the increase in rape in Sweden. They attribute it to: "The amount of reported rape offenses has gone up in the last 10 years (2006-15), which the agency said can be partially attributed to new legislation in 2005 that augmented the types of acts that can be classified as rape." www.bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/rape-and-sex-offences.htmlOnly partially attributed. Hilariously, *all* of these stats suggest the opposite. It is rising, undoubtedly. I guess the point of contention comes about halfway down the page at the "Reported offences" section. That's where the point is made that maybe the increase stems from legislation change. Sounds fishy to me, personally. I side with Trump on this one, though I guess this is where the evidence bifurcates and becomes an unholy maelstrom shitshow of heinousness. People will continue to argue about this forever, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 16:24:18 GMT -5
So I'm confused. In terms of deciding how to respond, it seems as though there is a blurry line between factual documented evidence testifiable in court, and the desire to restore peace. When a storm of comments read people shouting that this person needs to be fired, or this company needs to be shut down, etc., are people generally better at predicting the course of action that takes place, or does the virality of it have some sort of influence on the outcome? Speech is the greatest tool to protest against things you dislike. People are simply using it to voice their concerns, in hopes that they will be listened to. That could, in theory, change the outcome to something that is more desirable for them. I think it's as simple as that. The people want to be heard. I don't really know how else to respond to the rest of what you're saying. Sorry if I've drifted off onto a weird tangent. Are you suggesting that people are becoming quicker to choose violent action against political policies they disagree with? That's actually true, the npr article I linked came to the same conclusion. Though it doesn't impact the overall crime rates in the country, in any meaningful way. It does however seem to be the media spotlight favorite. Edit: I guess it *could* maybe be impacting the overall crime rates, since there was a 3% rise in 2015, with another predicted rise in 2016 and 2017. But the increase is small and (in the grand scheme of things) negligible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 10:35:57 GMT -5
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Post by Justince on Sept 12, 2017 19:01:13 GMT -5
There's a story going around about a 16 year old who threw himself off a bridge because school officials notified him of the possibility of legal action against him for some heavy-petting videos on his phone. Now by law they have to say these things, but because this suburban, sheltered fresh-faced welp was so coddled and babied he saw no escape except death. Later investigation found nothing of intent on the phone and the whole thing would have blown over, but it's a perfect example of the damage done by these parents that dive in and save their kids from any minor obstacle. Every other week it's some teenager that kills themselves over facebook. FACEBOOK. For someone my age, this is hard to imagine but it's happening more and more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 20:13:20 GMT -5
Great point. That's a tragic story, but it's not always preventable. And in some cases (like helicopter parenting and speech censorship) our best efforts to help might actually be making the problem worse.
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Post by 40oz on Sept 13, 2017 13:11:10 GMT -5
My question is more about viral news stories -- are the consequences that happen to someone who is in the wrong a result of public demands, or coincidental of the public demands?
Here's a scenario. Eric, a manager at Best Buy is all groomed and wearing his best suit for the day of his annual performance review. A few days prior, Eric made an announcement to all employees that there has been reports of counterfeit $20 bills being used in the county area. All cashiers are now obligated to check all incoming $20 bills. Adam is a cashier and he has a history of being insubordinate, but due to corporate policies, he has never been able to be terminated. This is now the third day in a row Adam wasn't checking $20 bills, and today his till was completely full of them, amounting to a $400 loss. Eric is frustrated. Adam is counseled about fulfilling his job responsibilities. As Eric is coaching him, Adam slaps the clipboard out of his hands and pushes him out of the way. Adam immediately recognizes the brevity of what he's done, and the infuriated manager lambasts Adam, shouting angrily until he's red in the face. Adam caves, hunched over, folding his arms and looking the other way, submitting to the executive's angry rant. Nearby customers record video from their phones of this defenseless underpaid cashier getting accosted by this rich and fancy business guy.
The video spreads virally on social media. The video is flooded with comments of how retail is the most depressing job, and this cashier's boss is clearly a sociopath and should be fired. The video is posted on the official Best Buy twitter page and people, including former Best Buy associates are commenting and bickering about how badly Best Buy treats their employees. Now that this is brought to Best Buy's attention, Best Buy is faced with a difficult choice to respond to this misrepresentation of Best Buy's practices. Best Buy hasn't been doing so well this fiscal year, and if Best Buy defends Eric for yelling at his staff, they can lose a lot of their morally righteous customers. Best Buy announces that Eric has been fired and twitter cheers with delight as Best Buy no longer supports evil people like Eric.
Eric could have kept his cool to save his job, but Adam definitely instigated him. If this were a Human Resources claim, there would have been other staff witnessing it, both parties would have gotten to explain themselves, and Adam may have been finally fired, and Eric may have had to pay some penalties or losing his temper. But because that context is lost in the video, Adam came out as the victim in this workplace harrassment story, and Best Buy responded in a manner that appealed to the crowd without seriously reviewing the details of the situation.
Is something like this unlikely to happen?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 18:31:08 GMT -5
My question is more about viral news stories -- are the consequences that happen to someone who is in the wrong a result of public demands, or coincidental of the public demands? Most stories that spread viral like this are of police officers abusing their power. Excessive force, tasering people, threatening to take the camera away, etc. Sometimes it is justified (the person filming is being a brat on purpose) while other times it is completely uncalled for. Police officers are sometimes known to be power tripping egomaniacs. Depends on the situation. In the situation you described, I honestly don't know of any viral videos spreading over an argument between two staff members. That sort of thing happens every day. I know at my own job, I've seen a few of my coworkers get their asses ripped apart by my boss. If people filmed the incident and threw it on YouTube, I doubt much would happen. Again, it's common. Police seem to get off the hook easily. Like the cop that shot Paul Boyd eight times (the creator of Ed, Edd n Eddy). Once in the head (fatal), seven times in the body. Boyd forgot to take his bipolar medication, and was acting violent. He was last seen crawling on his hands and knees, before getting his head blown to bits: Officer cleared of wrongdoing by a "special prosecutor". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vpd-officer-cleared-in-2007-shooting-death-of-paul-boyd-1.2255155R.I.P Mr. Boyd.
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Post by 40oz on Sept 13, 2017 19:20:10 GMT -5
Holy fuck I didn't hear about this. I loved ed edd and eddy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 20:02:19 GMT -5
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