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Post by TimeOfDeath on May 30, 2024 19:26:50 GMT -5
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Post by Gokuma on May 30, 2024 20:51:26 GMT -5
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Post by 40oz on May 30, 2024 21:25:01 GMT -5
for real though, a gay and gender nonconforming exclusive mapping project is kinda awesome. kinda cool to see from a player perspective what gay mappers like to do in the doom map editor. I think it's good for gay players/mappers to discover together what delineates their mapping styles from straight mappers and lean the fuck into it <3
"so be careful about anything negative you have to say as it can and will be misinterpretted as hateful"
This is a pretty hilarious sentence. Its a great and very direct way to remind everyone that you have feelings and are not looking to have them infringed upon. I can respect that. but its a riot to see this used as a mapping project rule. Like, imagine the day I'm kicking people out of doomer boards project because I adopted this gay genderqueer rule into dbp.
tester: Umm the map was fine but I couldn't figure out where the yellow key was for like a half hour and I kinda wish I didn't waste so much time in my test being lost"
mapper: Umm do you go swimming with your t-shirt on so people don't see the swastika tattoos on your chest? [tester banned]
Not that it's even a straight thing, but being a mapper is, unfortunately, learning to just eat shit sometimes. Whether its people writing a comment that said they didn't like your map, or worse, (in my opinion) watching a video of someone playing it, noticeably not having a very good time, and then lying about how they still liked just to protect your feelings. God, just mentioning it as a hypothetical, a mapping environment like that would kill the thrill for me.
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Post by thundercunt on May 30, 2024 21:33:07 GMT -5
There is no way this isn't some kind of elaborate trolling
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Post by Bob Page on May 30, 2024 22:27:22 GMT -5
There is no way this isn't some kind of elaborate trolling That was my thought as well. It just seems too over the top to be legitimate.
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on May 30, 2024 23:01:58 GMT -5
So, a hypothetical. A straight people community project gets started. You don't have to be straight to participate, just an ally. How long would it take to be chased off by the mods with accusations of being hateful/bigoted? I think a fair assumption can be made.
Just another silly doom project in the pile of silly doom projects at the end of the day though.
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Post by xeepeep on May 30, 2024 23:30:21 GMT -5
LET'S MAKE A DOOM PROJECT ABOUT HOW I LIKE TO GET FUCKED IN MY ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by thelokk on May 31, 2024 4:40:07 GMT -5
No offense intended TimeOfDeath but this one sort of is on you. You keep wading in the DW cesspool and expect not to get dirty eventually? Also, in case you didn't know, some people have been waiting for this (and more) for a long time indeed. A certain famous speedrunning server holds regular DW roasting sessions (in which current DW mods gleefully take part), and you've been the subject of some very interesting conversations in the past.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2024 5:47:40 GMT -5
The fact that that person used Boykisser GIF's, while making a project centered around buggery, makes me uneasy.
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Post by deathevokation on May 31, 2024 11:05:02 GMT -5
"A tempban has been deserved for a while..."
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Post by 40oz on May 31, 2024 11:38:04 GMT -5
So, a hypothetical. A straight people community project gets started. You don't have to be straight to participate, just an ally. How long would it take to be chased off by the mods with accusations of being hateful/bigoted? I think a fair assumption can be made. Just another silly doom project in the pile of silly doom projects at the end of the day though. Without saying anything, I don't see why anyone would reasonably think that any new or existing doom project would not already be for straight people and/or straight allies. I go forth in life with so little resistance to my heterosexuality that it has never once blinked in my mind to ever question whether me being straight would disqualify me from participating in any doom project ever.
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Post by Tangra on May 31, 2024 12:29:24 GMT -5
Doom, Doom wads and video games are for everyone, everywhere. The whole idea of a gay project, like it is something that needs to exist, is fucking retarded.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2024 13:00:30 GMT -5
So, a hypothetical. A straight people community project gets started. You don't have to be straight to participate, just an ally. How long would it take to be chased off by the mods with accusations of being hateful/bigoted? I think a fair assumption can be made. Just another silly doom project in the pile of silly doom projects at the end of the day though. You're too mellow; Start a white people's only project, then it'll be a blast.
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Post by NuMetalManiak on May 31, 2024 15:08:35 GMT -5
No offense intended TimeOfDeath but this one sort of is on you. You keep wading in the DW cesspool and expect not to get dirty eventually? Also, in case you didn't know, some people have been waiting for this (and more) for a long time indeed. A certain famous speedrunning server holds regular DW roasting sessions (in which current DW mods gleefully take part), and you've been the subject of some very interesting conversations in the past. where is this server and why are they breaking the offsite harassment rule.
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Post by dn on May 31, 2024 15:40:32 GMT -5
I got banned today for the first time in 20 years for this post: I really hope the mod that issued that ban has a wonderful day, and enjoys being with his loving wife and adoring family.
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on May 31, 2024 16:39:14 GMT -5
I don't see why anyone would reasonably think that any new or existing doom project would not already be for straight people and/or straight allies. Exactly how I feel about a "queer" themed project. Could just be all the gay and trans people I know irl not presenting as the sort of caricature people do online. It probably wasn't a fair comparison though since queer is an ideology not an orientation.
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Post by thelokk on May 31, 2024 18:02:10 GMT -5
No offense intended TimeOfDeath but this one sort of is on you. You keep wading in the DW cesspool and expect not to get dirty eventually? Also, in case you didn't know, some people have been waiting for this (and more) for a long time indeed. A certain famous speedrunning server holds regular DW roasting sessions (in which current DW mods gleefully take part), and you've been the subject of some very interesting conversations in the past. where is this server and why are they breaking the offsite harassment rule. Technically speaking it's not harassment, it's behind-the-back shit talking by supposed "pillars of the community". Which is actually worse in my book but I've been told I have warped values in the past.
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Post by 40oz on May 31, 2024 18:31:21 GMT -5
Doom, Doom wads and video games are for everyone, everywhere. The whole idea of a gay project, like it is something that needs to exist, is fucking retarded. Idk, I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with gay people wanting a space to be surrounded with other gay people, especially in an online community where something like this can help them find each other easily from other parts of the world. I think this is a vastly different dynamic than the default straights thinking they have a right to everyone else's communities and to be unchallenged in any way.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2024 20:24:41 GMT -5
Doom, Doom wads and video games are for everyone, everywhere. The whole idea of a gay project, like it is something that needs to exist, is fucking retarded. Idk, I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with gay people wanting a space to be surrounded with other gay people, especially in an online community where something like this can help them find each other easily from other parts of the world. I think this is a vastly different dynamic than the default straights thinking they have a right to everyone else's communities and to be unchallenged in any way. Are you sure this is the "straights" thinking? Wouldn't it be the other way around in this case? Not only is there a big disclaimer essentially saying "you cannot challenge us in any way, including any statement that could be even remotely interpreted as offensive", but I guarantee you anyone going into that thread and challenging them will be getting timeouts at a minimum.
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Post by 40oz on May 31, 2024 20:52:38 GMT -5
Are you sure this is the "straights" thinking? Wouldn't it be the other way around in this case? Elaborate on the challenges straight people face in a place like the doom community.
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Post by dn on May 31, 2024 21:06:28 GMT -5
Idk, I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with gay people wanting a space to be surrounded with other gay people, especially in an online community where something like this can help them find each other easily from other parts of the world. I think this is a vastly different dynamic than the default straights thinking they have a right to everyone else's communities and to be unchallenged in any way. Elaborate on the challenges straight people face in a place like the doom community. Dude, they just straight up booted a 20 year card-carrying member out of their little gay doom club. That's not gay people wanting a room with other gay people: that's the modus operandi of a colonizing force. Stodgy was right when he called them a caricature. It's so fucking cartoonishly villainous (and they are so obliviously hypocritical) that people - real, regular people, not online buttchuds - are started to get really, really pissed off with this theft of estate. It's never straight people moving in and throwing the gay people out (unless IRL muslim, but don't buy an apartment that needs an elevator, I guess) - it's *always* the opposite way round. The LGB needs to clean their fucking house before this fucking clique of cretins pulls the whole fucking edifice down on top of everyone's head.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2024 21:08:58 GMT -5
Are you sure this is the "straights" thinking? Wouldn't it be the other way around in this case? Elaborate on the challenges straight people face in a place like the doom community. I don't recall claiming to have any particular challenges; only that the same behavior you are attributing to the Big Bad Straights is present on all sides.
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Post by 40oz on May 31, 2024 21:37:35 GMT -5
I don't recall claiming to have any particular challenges; only that the same behavior you are attributing to the Big Bad Straights is present on all sides. I didn't say anything about "straight = bad" I was originally responding to Tangra's comment to say gay mappers wanting to map with other gay mappers is just as valid as mappers that like 1994 wads wanting to make maps with other mappers that like 1994 wads. If you're straight and want to include yourself on how these gay mappers run their projects, you're probably going to have just as bad of a time as you would if you worked on gzdoom gameplay/weapon modifications and tried to impose your mods onto a team of 1994-style vanilla mappers that are working on a vanilla mapping project together. People that have a particular idea in mind for their project don't need to be inclusive to everything if it doesn't serve their project goals. By virtue of being straight, you and I don't have to be entitled to everything gay. Does that help clarify what I'm saying?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2024 22:16:19 GMT -5
I don't recall claiming to have any particular challenges; only that the same behavior you are attributing to the Big Bad Straights is present on all sides. I didn't say anything about "straight = bad" I was originally responding to Tangra's comment to say gay mappers wanting to map with other gay mappers is just as valid as mappers that like 1994 wads wanting to make maps with other mappers that like 1994 wads. If you're straight and want to include yourself on how these gay mappers run their projects, you're probably going to have just as bad of a time as you would if you worked on gzdoom gameplay/weapon modifications and tried to impose your mods onto a team of 1994-style vanilla mappers that are working on a vanilla mapping project together. People that have a particular idea in mind for their project don't need to be inclusive to everything if it doesn't serve their project goals. By virtue of being straight, you and I don't have to be entitled to everything gay. Does that help clarify what I'm saying? It does, I understand more about your intent and agree that shoehorning oneself into a project that runs at odds with what you think or believe is a recipe for disaster. My gripes aren't necessarily about that thread or even the Doom community at large; I just don't think it's necessarily true these days that straight people (or for other topics, white people, Christians, etc.) can go about unchallenged or with the assumption that they can voice their viewpoints without repercussions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2024 0:13:51 GMT -5
I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with gay people wanting a space to be surrounded with other gay people Inside an already established community - this would be a hugbox. And I think it's simple to understand why it's not the best addition.
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