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Post by wernergoldberg on Oct 2, 2023 7:08:27 GMT -5
i was watching shillmanlives talking about ion fury aftershock, which i'm genuinely looking forward to btw (that amid evil expansion was alright as well), and he was going on about how NUDOOM influence shifted the boomer shooter revival (dusk, ion fury, amid evil etc) towards movement shooter stuff, which reminded me that's when shit started sucking for me personally. i liked a couple of them this year, hrot and zortch, trepang 2 had good gunplay but doesn't really compare with fear imo, that's about it -- most of them spend and eternity in early access or straight up don't interest me. the icing on the cake that inspired this thread was the following
so hopefully we can at least shit talk these abominations in our little corner of the internet. bombshell-sin crossover my ass, i was almost hyped for this
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 7:24:46 GMT -5
Meh, Ion Fury left me real cold, the quips weren't funny at all and the leves felt very same-y. Also, maybe one day developers will learn that indirectly fighting the final boss (ie that supid thunderdome bs) is never fun and never makes for a good boss fight. I wanna blast the final guy's face, not its brain / lab / helicopter. The DLCs, or xpacs, or whatever we call them nowadays I'm not really looking forward to.
Honestly, the only shooters that left any impression on me in the last couple of years or so were HROT (overall one of the best games I've ever played, it NEEDS a level editor) and The Citadel because it's basically Hideous Destructor with guro and chicks and you just can't go wrong with that. Supplice was a very middling Ion Fury clone with aliens instead of robots and, with all due respect to the Hellforge people, I have my reservations on Age of Hell: looks dead on arrival and the same Warhammer-infected hell bs all over again we've played in a million total conversions, but I would gladly be surprised.
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Post by SilverMiner on Oct 2, 2023 9:43:55 GMT -5
Hrot is weird
It has like 200 megs of .wavs, and it's the most of the size of the game.
It would weigh around 30-40 megs if music was MODULES or MIDI
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 9:48:52 GMT -5
Hrot is weird It has like 200 megs of .wavs, and it's the most of the size of the game. It would weigh around 30-40 megs if music was MODULES or MIDI I'll never understand why people still take issue with 100mb more or less for a download in 2023. it just does not compute, it seems like such a weird thing to notice about a game and get hung up on. |
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Post by SilverMiner on Oct 2, 2023 10:33:17 GMT -5
I won't care about hundreds of megabytes when drives for 100-1000 TB for home computers appear.
But in 2023 (THE CURRENT YEAR) as I've seen, there are only HDDs up to 10 (TEN) terabytes.
So no, I can't treat megabytes as kilobytes yet
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Post by wernergoldberg on Oct 2, 2023 10:43:43 GMT -5
that's some hardcore archiving you're doing there broseph. i treat megabytes as kilobytes with a 3 tera external hdd
anyway not sure about the citadel, i've started it a couple times and remember nothing about it other than it was kinda jank. the hideous destructor comparison isn't favorable to me (I'M A CASUL)
ion fury idk, enemy and visual variety wasn't its strong point but level design was cool imo. maybe i was more easily impressed in 2019 but not really, it's almost up there with blood to me. of course death wish is the actual best build engine game evar tho
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Oct 4, 2023 9:34:41 GMT -5
I imagine the whole boomer shooter thing is close to having run it's course. Ion Fury was refreshing when it came out. There were some decent ones and a lot of mediocrity. Hrot was probably the most interesting one we got that I can think of. The whole movement shooter thing seems like a natural evolution. A sort of modern fork off of old design ideas. Not something that interest me though. My curiosity is what direction devs will take things with games inspired by things like Half-Life, Deus Ex or Unreal.
Instead of new retro style games I would personally prefer a lot of older more forgotten games to get properly ported to modern systems though.
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Post by wernergoldberg on Oct 4, 2023 14:40:21 GMT -5
i'd like to see nu deus ex and nu unreal as well, i suppose in the end the doom/quake formula is simpler to ape
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Post by optimus on Oct 9, 2023 8:58:35 GMT -5
Yeah, few hundred MBs are not bad,. but then in the context of the data, few megs that are wav that could be compressed audio, when it could easily be way way smaller.
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Oct 9, 2023 9:14:33 GMT -5
it's almost up there with blood to me. of course death wish is the actual best build engine game evar tho Have you checked out Marrow yet? Just ran through the first map and it looks promising so far. EDIT: Good mods for old games >= most modern games. |
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Post by wernergoldberg on Oct 9, 2023 9:25:24 GMT -5
it's probably good, i've seen pagb666 playing through the first level, tho i'll likely never get to it at this rate
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Post by wernergoldberg on Jan 14, 2024 20:32:49 GMT -5
Have you checked out Marrow yet? Just ran through the first map and it looks promising so far. EDIT: Good mods for old games >= most modern games. would recommend marrow btw. was playin dwell for quake and somewhat enjoying it, stunning design in some parts, yet some of it reminded me of the stuff i don't really like in the modern doom mapping scene. maybe i would get the same feeling from alkaline from what i've seen. maybe the rot inside my mind is just a spiritual relic from 1996 |
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Post by optimus on Jan 18, 2024 10:21:30 GMT -5
There are too many boomer shooters at this moment. There was a video or too of incoming indie titles and man there was like even a hundred of them on 2023,2024.
I mean that's cool and dandy but we might be living the oversaturation of another genre in the indie (after roguelike, metroidvania and others). That makes me hard to chose and sometimes I try a demo or buy one of them and end up not playing them. Last time I loved Dusk and Ion Fury but I stopped there. And there could be some good hidden gems that I might enjoy more all of the other cool looking ones, but I don't know.
I am also deep into FromSoft games at this point, so no time right now to check all the other games.
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Post by good-old on Jan 18, 2024 11:29:04 GMT -5
I might not be correct, but doesn't oversaturation of a genre also mean that it's not a good one anymore? Does it become bad because of the oversaturation or because of the games themselves?
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Jan 18, 2024 18:53:58 GMT -5
I think over saturation just implies that there's too much of something regardless of quality but usually when something is churned out to the point the market's flooded a lot of it will be low quality so there is certainly overlap. Some of the stuff from the trend is interesting. I just played a bit of a quake mod that's a promo for a 2d beat em up that is a sort of sequel to an old 3d 3rd person action game. Strange but interesting.
EDIT:
So this
is a promo for this
which is a sequel to this
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Post by good-old on Jan 19, 2024 13:33:51 GMT -5
Yeah, just because most of them are shit doesn't mean all of them are, I guess that's something that needs to be remembered. If a Quake modder made a game it'll probably be pretty good.
It's really funny how a big bunch of games that call themselves roguelikes are actually roguelites, and some aren't even that. Some just want to join the oversaturated trend genre regardless of their actual interest in something, further contributing to the oversaturation. But yeah, the indie game scene is definitely a topic that should have its own thread, so I'll save my rant about it for later.
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