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Post by Gokuma on Aug 24, 2024 22:43:02 GMT -5
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Aug 25, 2024 10:37:37 GMT -5
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Post by Gokuma on Aug 25, 2024 17:59:33 GMT -5
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Post by dr_st on Aug 26, 2024 15:27:30 GMT -5
Signal is more secure by design. Telegram was deliberately designed to have default settings which are fast, accessible and easy to backup/restore, with security as an option that must be explicitly activated. The fact that it sends end-to-end encrypted and regular messages in the same channels is another design choice that, theoretically, makes it harder for "big brother" to single out individuals that may be considered 'suspicious' just by the fact that they are using the app. |
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Post by nnn✓ork on Aug 27, 2024 14:35:07 GMT -5
DNC1: "Biden's tanking, let's swap the ballot to an infinitely worse pair and hope the normies don't catch on in time." DNC2: "Oh my Science that's brilliant. Make sure that raping the middle class and taking away their guns is part of the platform too." DNC1: "You mean not just raping kids?" DNC2: "DNC1! Shame on you. We don't rape kids, we convince tweens to go on hormones when they start liking boobs or boys, and then we simply goon to it." DNC1: "Oh sorry my bad, I didn't mean it like that. It's not like we're pedophiles after all." |
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Post by AskYourDrAboutUVFast on Aug 27, 2024 15:57:54 GMT -5
Tulsi Gabbard endorses Trumpapnews.com/article/tulsi-gabbard-donald-trump-8da616fd76d55bb63b5ee347f904fcbcWithout rendering a moral judgement on whether its a good or bad thing, I'm beginning to think we are witnessing what amounts to a third party attempting to capture the Republican machine this cycle. Whether it succeeds is another story, but certainly historical political times to be living through.
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Post by arlene on Aug 27, 2024 16:14:42 GMT -5
Signal is more secure by design. Oy vey |
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Post by Gokuma on Aug 27, 2024 16:22:25 GMT -5
Awesome, a little while back I saw some news Trump hired her as a debate coach so she can once again be responsible for destroying Harris in a debate.
This Michael Duffy annoys me with his clickbait titles sometimes without real confirmation such as "Alvin Bragg removed" when he's still in his position for now.
Benny Johnson is the guy whose videos he's reacting to within his.
I think people might be learning from the mistakes of Russia over 100 years ago. Back then there was much resistance to the fucking evil Bolsheviks but it was all fragmented. Now it seems anyone reasonable is uniting against evil.
Nice to see Trump and Tulsi both fully back 2nd amendment rights now. I'm sure Tulsi has recognized that abolishing cash bail was a huge mistake in areas and no longer supports that.
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Aug 27, 2024 16:34:23 GMT -5
It was already captured with Trump's win in 2016. We're just seeing that change solidify and grow. I see it as a sort of coalition party now, full of refugees and dissidents in part because the democrats have completely lost the plot with an endless stream of god awful policies like this: California May Become First State To Offer Illegal Immigrants Home Loans |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2024 11:31:39 GMT -5
I am feeling pretty pessimistic about the election coming up.
I'm sure a big part of the Trump vote from 2016 has died from old age. While the Democrats enjoy the fact that young voters, women, and/or non-White voters are reliable for them.
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Post by dr_st on Aug 28, 2024 13:19:06 GMT -5
I am feeling pretty pessimistic about the election coming up. I'm sure a big part of the Trump vote from 2016 has died from old age. While the Democrats enjoy the fact that young voters, women, and/or non-White voters are reliable for them. Young voters get older. It's not as reliable as one might feel. A higher percentage of blacks voted for Trump in 2020 compared to 2016. This election is by no means a guaranteed win for Trump, but he should still win if he campaigns well. |
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Post by Bob Page on Aug 28, 2024 18:54:32 GMT -5
In my area, Hispanics are going for Trump like crazy. They wear shirts and have signs up at all their businesses. I have no idea if that's a nationwide trend, but I have yet to find a Hispanic person who advertises voting for Kamala.
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Post by Gokuma on Aug 28, 2024 19:07:52 GMT -5
I don't think it went over too well when Jill Biden called them diverse as a plate of tacos or when the democrats were trying to force the dumb gender neutral Latinx on them. I appreciate the fact that Proboards thinks Latinx is a misspelled word. Of course Proboards also thinks Proboards is misspelled. There are seriously lots of legal Hispanics for the wall, probably because they don't want the criminal assholes they left behind coming here. Unfortunately the cartels have already been operating in all 50 states. A RINO piece of crap trying to bribe and then threaten Kari Lake even said so. Listen here. |
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Post by Gokuma on Aug 28, 2024 19:29:03 GMT -5
I just want to add that Tulsi Gabbard is cute, and a beautiful woman and genuine human being. And she serves the country with honor.
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Post by AskYourDrAboutUVFast on Aug 28, 2024 19:54:05 GMT -5
It was already captured with Trump's win in 2016. I would be interested to hear your argument because I would disagree. Yes getting a win is truly an impressive feat given the way the system works, but that does not equate to grasping the levers of party power. I could point to things like the old-guard never-trumpers hampering his admin with countless legal/political battles, the constant waffling and milquetoast support from the party during his admin, his reliance on establishment advisors who stuffed his admin to the gills with neocons like bolton, pompeo, etc. He was also extremely dependent on McConnell especially, but also Ryan in Congress who screwed him over on some of his campaign promises (I remember at one point he was negotiating with schumer/pelosi directly on his budget because the repubs weren't getting shit done for him on his vaunted wall). McConnell also pushed him towards the federalist society for all his scotus picks. And I could go on and on...
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Aug 28, 2024 20:53:43 GMT -5
AskYourDrAboutUVFast I was being a little hyperbolic but Trump who's policy proposals were closer to an old school democrat would have never been able to gain the nomination let alone the presidency without a sort of insurgent element within the party. That was essentially the nail in the coffin of the gop as it had been. Opening the doors for the "wider tent" that it's become. It would probably be more accurate to say it was a civil war as your thoughts seam to reflect but I do think the writing was on the wall at that point.
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Post by AskYourDrAboutUVFast on Aug 28, 2024 23:25:52 GMT -5
AskYourDrAboutUVFast I was being a little hyperbolic but Trump who's policy proposals were closer to an old school democrat would have never been able to gain the nomination let alone the presidency without a sort of insurgent element within the party. That was essentially the nail in the coffin of the gop as it had been. Opening the doors for the "wider tent" that it's become. It would probably be more accurate to say it was a civil war as your thoughts seam to reflect but I do think the writing was on the wall at that point. Again, you make this assertion (bolded) as if it was a forgone conclusion, and I disagree. I do think you raise a fair point about getting the nomination and the presidency, but I did already cede some ground there since I don't really have a great explanation for it... I guess I could loosely posit here that perhaps the establishment of the party thought they could control him and spin off his movement if he somehow won the election (I'm not even sure if they thought it would happen tbh). Consider that they had been quite successful in this area in the past - the Tea Party movement would be a fairly recent and relevant example I would point to.
As I started outlining in my last post, I think that in totality, the republican establishment were pretty successful during his term at retaining power and leading him around by the nose (as best one can with a bull in a china shop that is). I think this is especially true in the final months of his term, after the election and Jan6 when McConnell was basically holding conviction in the Senate over his head like a Sword of Damocles to keep him under thumb. In fact, I would make a counter-argument that the way he was drubbed out after his first term left almost no certainty that his political movement would survive: Jan6 was a huge expenditure of political capital and will for his movement, the handful of congressman supporting his election challenge on the floor immediately wilted after the riot, thousands of his supporters were indicted and jailed in the following months/years, and Trump himself was near universally blacklisted from social media, stripping him of the megaphone he used to get elected in the first place. A pretty dire outlook for a political movement don't you think? |
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Aug 29, 2024 3:41:17 GMT -5
AskYourDrAboutUVFast In a lot of ways the gop did lead Trump on. No doubt about that. There is one place they did not though and that is in regards to public opinion. Trump presented a broad anti-establishment narrative which is what drew in outsiders. The gop was never able to counter that successfully. Probably in part because they wanted to court any potential voters. It's certainly debatable how anti-establishment Trump actually is but by presenting that narrative, along with the media inadvertently propping it up the DNA of the party did change.
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Post by AskYourDrAboutUVFast on Aug 29, 2024 17:49:53 GMT -5
StodgyAyatollah you did skirt around this question I asked, I would like to get an answer on this. If we rewind the tape about three and a half years to Feb. 2021, and taking into account the political climate at that time after Trump's election challenge, the events on Jan 6, him being banned from social media, and his 2nd impeachment trial - can you really say that Trump and his Maga movement were in control or had any kind of power in the Republican party at that time, or even that the survivability of his movement had any sort of certainty whatsoever; and if yes, can you give me some arguments to defend that position? My point here is that his first term was on shaky footing at best, and in an honest accounting he leaned quite heavily on the pillars of republican establishment power rather than pulling the levers. His business acumen did not translate 1-to-1 into political finesse, and he was pretty much outplayed by both sides of the Washington machine at the end of his term. Not hating on the guy but I try to call balls and strikes as I see them. I think if anybody bothered to view things through a non-partisan lens (seems almost impossible these days), just looking back to Feb 2021 and the state of Trump's movement then, it is actually pretty amazing that he is in the race at all, let alone leading. Even that is really only taking into account a small fraction of what has transpired this election cycle, truly historical stuff. Also really, really damning for the Biden administration imo.
AskYourDrAboutUVFast In a lot of ways the gop did lead Trump on. No doubt about that. There is one place they did not though and that is in regards to public opinion. Trump presented a broad anti-establishment narrative which is what drew in outsiders. The gop was never able to counter that successfully. Probably in part because they wanted to court any potential voters. It's certainly debatable how anti-establishment Trump actually is but by presenting that narrative, along with the media inadvertently propping it up the DNA of the party did change. re: public opinion, I can partially agree here. I don't think his base ever really wavered until the very end of his term (he definitely lost mainstream repub support in the aftermath of J6). I can also concede that I can't think of any other administration in my lifetime that could have held up to the media barrage like he did. Definitely rolled a 99 for his political constitution stat. I do think this argument is flawed, because it is sort of hard to measure. I did take a brief look back at Gallup favorability polls for 2017-2020 and he was generally pulling high 30s and low 40s for approval ratings which is, uhhh not great. Biden is basically the same, although he enjoyed like a 6 month honeymoon after his election in 2021. It's possible this is the new norm, so like I said, its hard to measure. ------------------ I am feeling pretty pessimistic about the election coming up. Probably because you don't look at numbers and use AI for everything 
- On this date in 2016, Hillary was up by about 6 points on average in national polls. - In 2020, Biden was up by almost 7 points at this time.
- In 2016, Hillary won the popular vote by about 2 points, lost the election. - In 2020, Biden won the popular vote by about 4 points, had a very dicey election win (won by ~10k votes in AZ, ~10k votes in GA, ~20k votes in WI)
It will be a close election, they probably all will be for the foreseeable future...but Harris is running worse than Hillary did at this time so make of that what you will. This is going to continue to be a real wild election, so buck up and enjoy it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2024 6:58:32 GMT -5
StodgyAyatollah you did skirt around this question I asked, I would like to get an answer on this. If we rewind the tape about three and a half years to Feb. 2021, and taking into account the political climate at that time after Trump's election challenge, the events on Jan 6, him being banned from social media, and his 2nd impeachment trial - can you really say that Trump and his Maga movement were in control or had any kind of power in the Republican party at that time, or even that the survivability of his movement had any sort of certainty whatsoever; and if yes, can you give me some arguments to defend that position? My point here is that his first term was on shaky footing at best, and in an honest accounting he leaned quite heavily on the pillars of republican establishment power rather than pulling the levers. His business acumen did not translate 1-to-1 into political finesse, and he was pretty much outplayed by both sides of the Washington machine at the end of his term. Not hating on the guy but I try to call balls and strikes as I see them. I think if anybody bothered to view things through a non-partisan lens (seems almost impossible these days), just looking back to Feb 2021 and the state of Trump's movement then, it is actually pretty amazing that he is in the race at all, let alone leading. Even that is really only taking into account a small fraction of what has transpired this election cycle, truly historical stuff. Also really, really damning for the Biden administration imo.
AskYourDrAboutUVFast In a lot of ways the gop did lead Trump on. No doubt about that. There is one place they did not though and that is in regards to public opinion. Trump presented a broad anti-establishment narrative which is what drew in outsiders. The gop was never able to counter that successfully. Probably in part because they wanted to court any potential voters. It's certainly debatable how anti-establishment Trump actually is but by presenting that narrative, along with the media inadvertently propping it up the DNA of the party did change. re: public opinion, I can partially agree here. I don't think his base ever really wavered until the very end of his term (he definitely lost mainstream repub support in the aftermath of J6). I can also concede that I can't think of any other administration in my lifetime that could have held up to the media barrage like he did. Definitely rolled a 99 for his political constitution stat. I do think this argument is flawed, because it is sort of hard to measure. I did take a brief look back at Gallup favorability polls for 2017-2020 and he was generally pulling high 30s and low 40s for approval ratings which is, uhhh not great. Biden is basically the same, although he enjoyed like a 6 month honeymoon after his election in 2021. It's possible this is the new norm, so like I said, its hard to measure. ------------------ I am feeling pretty pessimistic about the election coming up. Probably because you don't look at numbers and use AI for everything
- On this date in 2016, Hillary was up by about 6 points on average in national polls. - In 2020, Biden was up by almost 7 points at this time.
- In 2016, Hillary won the popular vote by about 2 points, lost the election. - In 2020, Biden won the popular vote by about 4 points, had a very dicey election win (won by ~10k votes in AZ, ~10k votes in GA, ~20k votes in WI)
It will be a close election, they probably all will be for the foreseeable future...but Harris is running worse than Hillary did at this time so make of that what you will. This is going to continue to be a real wild election, so buck up and enjoy it.
I hope you are right. But maybe now with free IVF on the Republican platform, high income professionals can replace themselves, and possibly have surplus children if they want in the future. Thus we can possibly avert idiocracy. Edit: upper middle class can get access, because "high income" already have access to it by virtue of wealth. But IVF is convenient for older people in late 30s. |
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Aug 30, 2024 10:51:46 GMT -5
I would like to get an answer on this. If we rewind the tape about three and a half years to Feb. 2021, and taking into account the political climate at that time after Trump's election challenge, the events on Jan 6, him being banned from social media, and his 2nd impeachment trial - can you really say that Trump and his Maga movement were in control or had any kind of power in the Republican party at that time, or even that the survivability of his movement had any sort of certainty whatsoever; and if yes, can you give me some arguments to defend that position? Politically, very little power. Culturally an incredibly substantial amount of power. There was no doubt in my mind that a populist, america first movement would carry on and that the republican party would become the vehicle for that. With or without Trump. Politics is downstream from culture and the republicans have never had any control over culture in recent memory, opening the party up to essentially being hijacked from a sort of marketing perspective. Trump filled that void effectively enough. Now a large portion of the new, generally younger "republican" voter base has wanted basic populist policies from their candidates going forward. Candidates will generally oblige, or at the very least pay lip service since they have more to loose by not doing so (shits so popular even Kamala's copying Trump's proposals after all, we don't even need to mention DeSantis). This made/makes the party more attractive to non-republican populist america first types (libertarians, union democrats, classical liberals, anarchists etc etc) as apposed to traditional conservatives alone, providing a little bit of a snowballing effect I would suspect. The big tent that will provide some momentum to the party for the near future. Prominent republicans had to have figured out the boon this would be for the party at some point so likely pinched their noses and let Trump carry on thinking they could keep him at least somewhat muzzled, which they did a relatively serviceable job at. Little did they know that Trump wouldn't just ride off into the sunset though, which speaks to their naivete. Trump was going to continue garbing the gop by the pussy because that's just who he is. I'm sure they would have very much preferred to have the new constituents Trump free. Either way there was just no going back after Trump. That was fairly clear to me early on. How it would actually play out has been a wild ride though. Apologies if that doesn't answer things in a way that your looking for but it is my stream of conscious thoughts after a long night covered in grease and blood trying to get poorly maintained machinery to operate. Mentally quite fried atm. |
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Post by AskYourDrAboutUVFast on Sept 6, 2024 16:09:37 GMT -5
Politically, very little power. Culturally an incredibly substantial amount of power. There was no doubt in my mind that a populist, america first movement would carry on and that the republican party would become the vehicle for that. With or without Trump. Politics is downstream from culture and the republicans have never had any control over culture in recent memory, opening the party up to essentially being hijacked from a sort of marketing perspective. Trump filled that void effectively enough. Now a large portion of the new, generally younger "republican" voter base has wanted basic populist policies from their candidates going forward. Candidates will generally oblige, or at the very least pay lip service since they have more to loose by not doing so (shits so popular even Kamala's copying Trump's proposals after all, we don't even need to mention DeSantis). This made/makes the party more attractive to non-republican populist america first types (libertarians, union democrats, classical liberals, anarchists etc etc) as apposed to traditional conservatives alone, providing a little bit of a snowballing effect I would suspect. The big tent that will provide some momentum to the party for the near future. Prominent republicans had to have figured out the boon this would be for the party at some point so likely pinched their noses and let Trump carry on thinking they could keep him at least somewhat muzzled, which they did a relatively serviceable job at. Little did they know that Trump wouldn't just ride off into the sunset though, which speaks to their naivete. Trump was going to continue garbing the gop by the pussy because that's just who he is. I'm sure they would have very much preferred to have the new constituents Trump free. Either way there was just no going back after Trump. That was fairly clear to me early on. How it would actually play out has been a wild ride though. Apologies if that doesn't answer things in a way that your looking for but it is my stream of conscious thoughts after a long night covered in grease and blood trying to get poorly maintained machinery to operate. Mentally quite fried atm. No worries, I know it takes time to write this stuff out so I appreciate the responses. Sorry mine is delayed, but I work as well, so finally getting a moment while on a business trip. Thanks for answering the question. I didn't mean to go too hard but your comment felt a bit drive-by-ish, so I did want to press you on your position to see how you came to it (also a good way to find info that may have slipped my radar). I don't think we will be able to drill down much further then your intuition, so I'm happy to leave it there on the political end. Your point about cultural power is certainly interesting and you are correct about politics being downstream by nature. I do wonder how far downstream you see it, because we do have to logically square the fact that the culture could be a raging river rapid, yet downstream the politics is a meandering brook. Here again though, I think I could challenge the cultural power of Trump's movement along similar lines as the political power. I would probably argue, if we again rewound the clock ~3.5 years, to the point where we agree that the movement's political power was diminished, that due to the pandemic and the govt's policies to combat it, a large amount of the culture was driven into the online space. I think we could probably agree that at that time, the culture was being suppressed in these online spaces, especially on social media platforms. And I could probably argue that the suppression was pretty effective. Any thoughts? Appreciate the discourse SA. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2024 10:32:43 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to tonight's debate.
No matter what happens, it is going to be hilarious, and entertaining.
I was worried for Trump because he was on CNN in the last one, which is de facto enemy territory. So being on ABC on the face of it shouldn't be any different; they're also enemy territory.
But the CNN debate did seem like it was really a concerted effort to eliminate Biden anyway. So maybe they're going to flip the script against Trump this time.
I heard Tulsi Gabbard is helping to coach Trump. She was credited with derailing Harris' primary bid.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2024 10:42:25 GMT -5
I love it, persecution of weed smoking knocked her out last time: Kind of looks like Trump:  Also, JD Vance used to smoke weed and play Magic: The Gathering Big thumbs up! |
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Post by qwaz on Sept 10, 2024 14:11:20 GMT -5
Tulsi was telling a lie anyway. Kamala is one of the OG Soros style prosecutors. She was never some tough on crime, law and order type.
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