Thoughts on GZDoom Games?

I want one that's not like a WAD I can just download but a new game experience that just happens to be built using GZDoom. One that stuck to me was POSSEST because it had some dark rainy moods and claims to be inspired by Hexen 2 (which is a good game btw) and I like that and I want that! I would also like more pictures or any kind of real update. The lead dev seems to have a ton of pages but nothing on them yet. 

SELACO seemed cool too but I still need to play the demo and actually now I'll go do just that.

edit: played the selaco demo and it was frickin' awesome I had a good time shooting things and throwing things and pressing buttons and opening pizza boxes to eat the pizza (they know what's up and I saw the trouble shooter picture) yeah go play it y'all

Supplice looks cool, the rest look lame.

Are these games actually made with the GZ Doom source-port? Or are they made with their own proprietary gaming engines that look and function similarly?

You can make a better 2.5 D FPS with the something like Unity.

All of them except for Break which uses it's own custom engine.

I see one of the games has 537 positive reviews, for a game that is $9.99 a pop. Pretty expensive for what is essentially a doom-mod.

But think about it this way: All of them have surely purchased it, so that comes out to $5,364.63 of profit. I am sure not all of it goes to the author(s), since Steam likely takes a cut. But for the sake of this exercise let's suppose 100% goes to one person. For the amount of labor it takes to make a Doom mod, that's really beggaring yourself for peanuts. You can make more consistent income flipping hamburgers at McDonalds.

That's what it is worth to make a doom mod into a for-profit item.

Maybe that's a lot of money for some people in the 3rd world however, so that's probably not a bad way to earn a bit more. Say if you live in Turkey, or something, where the domestic currency isn't worth shit.

A while ago, I told people I made Doom mods as a hobby, 100% of the time, they looked at me with pity. Apparently, this is a very contemptable thing outside of the Doom-community.

>POSSEST

Ahem, one of the game artists is here, mind you.

Also, question.

Why nobody mentioned Total Chaos?

... Ah right, we're mention shit in most of the cases here. my bad.

i would never have guessed that doomer boards project would have gotten me to make over a hundred maps over the course of the series, but a lot of the reason why i make so much content for Doom is to return the favor for what Doom has done for me.

I played doom for thousands of hours over before i knew you could make maps for it. When i eventually found out you could download stuff i was enamoured. I played megawad after megawad. I learned how to make doom maps myself and tried to learn how to imitate features on maps that i loved and screenshots i saw on doomworlds /newstuff chronicles in the 2000's. The more i refined my mapping skill, i really enjoyed having the ability to create the kind of content i want.

Most shooters often have me complaining about features that arent similar to doom. So having the ability to create the content for it that i want makes the game so much better than anything the market is putting out there. And having so many doom wads gave me so much to play that i had no need to buy other games.

I also love watching people play my maps too. Watching people play dbp on twitch and youtube is my netflix. Doom has done me a lot of favors and creating content to keep other people interested in it like i am makes it really fun for me.

I have trouble trusting people in the doom community who work on standalone doom-like games for profit. It is in their interest to keep the topic of doom alive, while gradually migrating people away from playing Doom. If youre an entrepreneur and your role is to prey on Doom fans for capital, you would want doom fans to stop playing doom so that they will start playing your new game instead.

They feel like double agents to me. Why make art or music or doom maps at all if they can shill that creative energy into their profit-rearing side-project no one asked for? It makes it hard for me to consider them part of the community because it is eventually in their interest to break it up and render doom obsolete to their stupid mod with a bargain bin price tag on it.

How did you come to this lmao
How is a "game" like Blade of Agony or Rekkr migrating anyone from doom? Nobody's gonna leave the doom community and become a part of the rekkr community and start making "rekkr WADs" or "Blade of agony WADs" just because they liked that game. It's a "standalone game" in the sense that it doesn't require that you own DOOM.WAD, but it runs on the Doom engine, was probably made by someone who's already a skilled Doom mapper/modder etc, and generally is as much of a part of Doom as any other mapset. How many specifically Blade of Agony custom mapsets have you seen? Hell, how many Hacx mapsets have you seen? That's a standalone game too and it's 25 years old.

Maybe someone might see a game like that, play it and not get into Doom by extension, but the same could happen with any overhyped doom soymapset like Ancient Aliens which got a lot of coverage from mainstream gaming sites.

Now I'm aware there are anomalies like Sonic robo blast and that Megaman deathmatch thing but those are exceptions compared to many, many other standalone doom-engine games.