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Post by dn on Aug 3, 2022 1:16:16 GMT -5
Wrote this for doomkid, who nevertheless requested a response despite the fact he fucking suicided his stupid account and is now a Tree in Hell, ripperoni. And, since I've been accused to transphobia twice in space of as many hours and I can't abide wasted effortposting, I figured fuck it, you get to look into the fucking black void of my private message pit. For context, the convo was about honesty, opinions, drama, comedy, and getting your shit pushed in for all of the above. Abandon all hope ye who enter here. It's a changed world. We've moved from mothers telling their children "honesty is the best policy" to "lies are fine to protect other people's feelings".
As to hating transgendered people... I don't actually hate them. But there are severe and systemic problems in the transgender community that absolutely must be dealt with. If things keep going the way they are, then it's going to result in a backlash that will fucking vaporize gay acceptance and make people look back at Trump's projected dystopia with a kinda wistful nostalgia.
I actually deal with TG people a fair deal in a semi-professional (read: occasionally paid) context - dunno if you know this or not, but a few years back I started doing the iterate travelling poet thing for shits and giggles, and it just kinda snowballed from there. ATM, I'm screaming obscenities at crowds during the intervals when bands are swapping out during shows. It's a cosy gig, but the number of times someone has tried to get me fucking booted from the stage because "reeeee he's offensive" is actually unreal. Nine times out of ten, the people doing the attempted cancellation are fellow bad poets; I'd wager that nine times out of ten they're not actually offended, but they reason that ejecting me from the position opens up employment opportunities for themselves.
Five times out of ten these fellow poets are some insipid flavour of genderspecial. So, you'll forgive me if I've got less than total sympathy for my attempted assassins.
The weird thing is that my material is so fucking ridiculously left wing... I'm on stage, railing against Piers fucking Morgan, dropping lyrical bombs on whatever fuckwit of the week is dropping literal bombs, speaking in 16th century Scots (because fuck linguistic colonialism, am i rite fellow Marixists?) as I describe the dildo I got dumped for, all sorts of fucking shit that these alleged lefties ought to love. But they don't - the fucking normies do, but the psuedo-lefties don't - and it fucking puzzled me for the longest time as to why these miserable blue-haired lumps were afraid to laugh. They just stand or sit with this insufferable fucking rigor mortis face, waiting for something to complain about with their fellow dead men.
One night, during a fucking pub gig (at a venue the industry would call "intimate", which is another way of saying "hardly any fucker turned up but I'm getting paid for it anyway hahahahah suck it") I finally got one of the motherfuckers. I can't even remember what I said – probably something horrific about dead babies getting raped to death by Turkish truckers – but this six-foot-two + platform boots, green-haired goth troon exploded with laughter. A deep, uncontrollable, unmistakable man-losing-his-shit laugh.
And away they went, faster than a dude who just shat himself in public. Fled.
See, herein lies the problem that no one wants to acknowledge. Transgenderism is all performative – the look, the voice, all of it is a cultivated facade. It's learned behaviour, it's willingly learned behaviour, and actual honest emotion fucking rips that facade clean away. The reason why these gaggles of misery have to sit with faces looking like a bulldog licking piss off a nettle is because as soon as an actual honest-to-god unfeigned reaction occurs (a real laugh, a real sneeze, a real scream, fucking reality itself) the facade collapses. And, rather than admit this harsh fucking reality, the solution to the problem is to ban fucking comedians. Ban fucking laughter. Ban language. Ban darknation. Ban ban chocolate I mean ban.
That's not leftist behaviour. That's fucking authoritarian, and I don't give a fuck about authoritarians. I hate authoritarians. Those are the sort of people I destroy on stage, they are not my fucking “allies”.
Moving on from that (yeah, this is going to get disjointed and all-over-the-place, but your message was rambly, and that's the sort of honest shit actual conversations are made of so I won't fucking apologise for it if you don't) I've got a cousin who went down the transgender rabbit hole. Raped when she was less than a teenager. Double mastectomy two or three years back, tits off and woosh in the medical waste incinerator. Debating getting a fucking false dick made from her own flayed skin. Still fucking utterly unable to deal with the trauma, still under the impression that surgery can fix psychological damage (pro-tip: it can't.) Still in this fucking fantastical, quasi-religious cult. Still choosing denial as a life-style choice.
An outlier, I can hear them from here. “Just a statistical outlier, sexual abuse and transgenderism do not correlate NO DON'T LOOK AT THE STATISTICS THAT'S HARAM.” Fine, let's go with Lived Experience, since the fucking stats are bigoted and racist. As I say, I move in the artistic circles that this fucking cult recruits from, and I can tell you that the women-pretending-to-be-men-telling-me-what-it-means-to-be-a-man have abuse written into every fucking wrinkle and every fucking pore. And the last time we tried to fix psychological problems with surgery it was called 'lobotomization' and this shit is going to be a scandal on the same level.
In a further swerve from the point, I swear, hearing some surgically-mutilated fool telling me about 'muh dick muh patriarchy” in bad iambic pentameter must be like hearing Al Jonson singing how much he fucking suffered as a black man working on a fucking cotton farm. Especially when that person is actively trying to get me fucking fired.
The gays I know don't like it. The lesbians I know don't like it. Girl-dick is parataxic, and you'd think that people who allegedly study the English language would recognise that. Instead, they approach the subject of English in the same way that they approach their own bodies: they don't like it, they don't understand it, so they fucking mutilate it. Change the definition, burn the dictionaries, erase the history, remove Wilfred Owen and replace him with themselves. It's a running theme.
I could go on about why this shit is dangerous to individuals... blah blah disassociation and depersonalization, Adorno, fucking apples = oranges experiment and the way forcing children to actively lie about what their eyes were telling them caused exactly the sort of psychotic break and dysmorphia that these fucking socio-programming cult demagogues thrive upon, but I've said all that before. What was missing from all that previous shit was, hilariously, actual Lived Experience™ , so I hope I've provided you with that.
And you've deleted your fucking account you bastard, so now what the fuck I am supposed to do with this shit I spent an hour writing. Cunt.
Regards regardless,
- dn [/spoilers]
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Post by Xeep-Eep on Aug 3, 2022 2:14:21 GMT -5
And the last time we tried to fix psychological problems with surgery it was called 'lobotomization' and this shit is going to be a scandal on the same level. Personally I can't wait. It's gonna be fun to watch. |
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Post by kvsari on Aug 3, 2022 7:22:44 GMT -5
Good stuff dn. I very much like the essay. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 9:31:01 GMT -5
Never thought I'd find myself agreeing with a self-described left-wing poet (rapper?), but here we are.
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Post by Olroda on Aug 3, 2022 13:18:14 GMT -5
1.) What's up with all dumbfucks deleting their accounts? You may be a pothead with the stereotypical lazy pothead takes on politics life, Doomkid, but I like your doomy stuff. Come back! 2.) So when will you publish a book which I can buy, dn? I think I may have threatened to do so in the past at some point... |
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Post by dn on Aug 3, 2022 13:27:51 GMT -5
2.) So when will you publish a book which I can buy, dn ? I think I may have threatened to do so in the past at some point... Actually, I just finished editing a Dundonian street rapper's first volume of poetry, which ought to be released mid-september, barring no fuckups from the publisher*. I'll probably pimp pretty hard for it when the time comes. *spoiler: there will be fuckups. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 14:08:04 GMT -5
Good riddance lad, cheers.
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Post by Olroda on Aug 4, 2022 12:15:06 GMT -5
I'll probably pimp pretty hard for it when the time comes. Can't survive hawking shitstone mugs alone! |
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Post by Gokuma on Aug 5, 2022 17:03:34 GMT -5
Transphobic is getting pretty much meaningless. They're actually branding people as transphobes for deciding not to go through with surgery! Obvious coercion going on there. A phobia is an irrational fear. People are perfectly rational in deciding that permanent mutilation surgery/amputation might not be right for themselves. I'd say the real transphobes are those afraid to resist insane demands. There's always been people who are different, many harmless just trying to live their lives, and some that literally have mixed up genes and biology with mixed up parts of genders. People that are just different shouldn't be picked on if they're not hurting anyone. The sheer amount of people claiming to be born the wrong gender or be gender fluid is mass psychosis, part as an unintended side effect of endocrine disruptors in environmental pollution and medications, and part purposely inflicted through a variety of methods (including medications). Personally defying gender roles is fine. Feeling the need to destroy conventional families and indoctrinate kids and further manipulate & alter kids is certainly not. Please jump into a woodchipper if you think it's alright to mess up kids. So any one who thinks they're trans or fluid, first run down this checklist and make sure you haven't been misled or confused. If MaleToFemale, first make sure you're not just lonely. If FemaleToMale, first make sure you don't just have serious daddy issues and are manifesting a raging Electra Complex. The male version of an Electra Complex is an Oedipus Complex, but I think the seemingly lesser known female Electra Complex has more bearing on this subject. For anyone: Make sure you're not being manipulated, coerced, a victim of a liberal parent's Munchausen syndrome by proxy or virtue-signalling, not just turned on by a fetish, not being used to fulfill someone's else's fetish, not exposed to significant amount of endocrine disruptors, not on a psych med that causes boys to grow breasts, and not just plain brainwashed/indoctrinated. Trust your eyes and your gut before what someone tells you. There's a growing number of people regretting surgeries, including women who want to breastfeed their babies. Endocrine disruptors add up in municipal water supplies from medicated people (especially those on hormonal treatments) pissing and them not getting filtered out like other contaminants. And they're not normally tested for. I've also seen a documentary talking about endocrine disruptors messing up the Florida Everglades, at least 20 years ago, long before society got this crazy.
To give an example of a person or two or three who are certainly not harmless: Richard/Rachel Levine, former Health Secretary of Pennsylvania appointed by Governor Tom Wolf and since appointed to some national position by Biden and subsequently replaced by a literal lawyer appointed to the position by Wolf. Wolf with Levine along with four other governors (who all happen to be Democrats), ordered Covid patients into nursing homes which decimated the regular residents. Levine knew exactly what they were doing since she/he removed their own mother from a home right before the covid patients went in. New York under the now disgraced for other reasons, Cuomo, had the highest amount of nursing home deaths and tried to cover it up. Pennsylvania had the most nursing home deaths per a capita. It was a modern smallpox blanket operation. Then after all this, Levine was awarded "Woman of the Year" by some shit rag propaganda publication or whatever. So no mercy for a mass murderer who should be on trial. Also the Drag Queen that had story time with kids in Houston, Texas, while security or cops pointed guns at protesters, is a convicted pedophile. And people are celebrating and sharing ways to sneak Drag Queen storytime past parents. In the UFC, Fallon Fox beat on a biological woman's skull so severely, the woman sustained multiple skull fractures. And this isn't the only case of trans people beating on women in the UFC. Real Girls' Skulls Matter. Such individual criminals should be prosecuted as such and kept away from their victims. |
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Post by dr_st on Aug 5, 2022 21:59:37 GMT -5
I recently read the "Cynical Theories" book, which surveys the history of postmodernism and how it led to the modern theories that fuel "social justice". Among them is the queer theory, which is the background for modern-age transgender activism.
Not an easy read (maybe too "scholarly" for some), but does a good job explaining both the sources for the theory, most of the things wrong with it, and how to combat it.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 5, 2022 23:56:14 GMT -5
So any one who thinks they're trans or fluid, first run down this checklist and make sure you haven't been misled or confused. I've seen (and previously had) a similar take to this some time ago, but my thoughts have changed the more ive become informed about the topic. I think youre severely underestimating the amount of thought and preparation and follow-through it takes to transition. The procedure is a massive commitment, not an afternoon's errand. Its disingenuous to suggest that a sizeable percentage of trans people are transitioning just because its the popular flavor of the month. People who do transition are very well informed about the process and are very sure they want to do it even after reading all the cautionary PSAs about it such as yours. You may not think youre doing this but to a transgender person reading your post, it sounds a lot like you severely doubt they made this transition with a sound mind. That they, like most transgender people in your opinion, were just confused and or influenced into making this life altering decision. I think you need to have a little more faith in what people choose to do with their own lives and their own bodies. Their autonomy to make these kinds of choices is really not your concern, especially not enough to shout out into the void towards no specific person, and no one who asked. It is hurtful, especially towards people who's gender dysphoria is absolutely real and their life made much better since their transition. |
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Post by Lobo on Aug 6, 2022 2:04:12 GMT -5
... people who's gender dysphoria is absolutely real and their life made much better since their transition. Evidence? The actual reality is quite different: the suicide rate for these people is outrageous AFTER transformation. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 2:06:50 GMT -5
So any one who thinks they're trans or fluid, first run down this checklist and make sure you haven't been misled or confused. I've seen (and previously had) a similar take to this some time ago, but my thoughts have changed the more ive become informed about the topic. I think youre severely underestimating the amount of thought and preparation and follow-through it takes to transition. The procedure is a massive commitment, not an afternoon's errand. Its disingenuous to suggest that a sizeable percentage of trans people are transitioning just because its the popular flavor of the month. People who do transition are very well informed about the process and are very sure they want to do it even after reading all the cautionary PSAs about it such as yours. You may not think youre doing this but to a transgender person reading your post, it sounds a lot like you severely doubt they made this transition with a sound mind. That they, like most transgender people in your opinion, were just confused and or influenced into making this life altering decision. I think you need to have a little more faith in what people choose to do with their own lives and their own bodies. Their autonomy to make these kinds of choices is really not your concern, especially not enough to shout out into the void towards no specific person, and no one who asked. It is hurtful, especially towards people who's gender dysphoria is absolutely real and their life made much better since their transition. You'd be surprised how much you actually don't know, bud. Like, seriously. I'll get back to your post later, kinda busy at work irl. Ofc if I'll not get banned just like Joe because I dared to say something against "stunning and brave" ones or hurt someone's feefees (which, on the Internet fields, have always been there). Lol. |
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Post by 40oz on Aug 6, 2022 6:43:15 GMT -5
Evidence? The actual reality is quite different: the suicide rate for these people is outrageous AFTER transformation. Thats about as prematurely conclusive as saying that buying a gun makes you suicidal because the majority of suicides are gun owners who killed themselves with their guns. Have you been curious enough to seek verifiable evidence that previously suicidal people deciding against transitioning saved their life? Because thats the objective of Gokuma's post and others like it. You'd have to consult living transitioned people, and there are many. You're demanding statistical evidence for something that is legitimately unprovable with evidence. Peoples lives being better or worse will always be subjective and anecdotal. If you and I bet on opposing sports teams and my team wins, my life is made better and yours is made worse from the same outcome. Can anyone other than you correctly assess whether you feel good or bad about any decision you made? There are an infinite amount of reasons people commit suicide, and very few people kill themselves because of just one of them. Feeling alienated by family and peers because of your gender identity, and then ostracized further after transition when asking people to switch pronouns when referring to you may be a big reason. But being accepted would have countered that. The path to trans acceptance starts with treating gender dysphoria like a legitimate condition and not like an external persuasion. Trans people very well know that it would be much more convenient and fortunate if their gender identity matched their biology. They dont need to be questioned about it; they've spent much more time thinking about it than anyone else has. |
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Post by dn on Aug 6, 2022 7:59:15 GMT -5
Thats about as prematurely conclusive as saying that buying a gun makes you suicidal because the majority of suicides are gun owners who killed themselves with their guns. Have you been curious enough to seek verifiable evidence that previously suicidal people deciding against transitioning saved their life? Because thats the objective of Gokuma's post and others like it. False analogy. A better one would be to compare apples and apples, so, lessee... how about percentage of suicide attempts in natal men suffering from mental illness, v.s trans-identifying males deciding to ACK themselves? Surprisingly difficult to find any studies on that one. I wonder why. The entire fucking question is riddled with bad science, with results either distorted by the media (best case) or downright dishonest practice (worst case). Best one I can quote (you know, a study that bothers itself with actual fucking control groups) was this Swedish one. Post-transition suicide rates are 19 times higher than the norm (but hold in mind Sweden's suicide rate is low by European standards). The TIM vs TIF success rates are roughly analogous to Men vs Women as well, which is to say women / TIFs attempt it more than men, but men / TIMs actually succeed (three to one, baby), proving once and for all that women are fucking useless and if you want a job done right, then get a man to do it. Can't compare pre / post transition rates because the fucking studies themselves refuse to define man and woman in their grouping questions: we've got TIF's identifying as men and fucking TIMs identifying as women, screwing with the results and making response-based gender science practically fucking worthless. Also, when it comes to suicide, "premature" intervention is kinda key. |
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Post by Xeep-Eep on Aug 6, 2022 8:19:53 GMT -5
Trans people very well know that it would be much more convenient and fortunate if their gender identity matched their biology. So they attempt to change the "biology" part (the part that absolutely can't be changed) to match the "gender identity" one (which can be changed as they believe themselves), and if you claim the opposite makes more sense you're a racist bigot and a Nazi. Very reasonable and logical thinking  I just want a hot trans gf, fellas. Is that too much to ask for. |
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Post by dn on Aug 6, 2022 8:59:37 GMT -5
Try tinder, it's fucking full of them.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 6, 2022 10:54:13 GMT -5
Surprisingly difficult to find any studies on that one. I wonder why. Both things have the same problem -- a lack of vital data. This is why it's so important not to skew into survivorship bias. (i.e. you will put a lot of resources in the wrong areas by taking steps driven by data that you do have, while simultaneously undervaluing the significance of data you don't or can't have.) Also, when it comes to suicide, "premature" intervention is kinda key. No rebuttals here. Every trans person is different and I'm not pretending to be an expert on any one of them, but for suicidal gender dysphoric people where early intervention didn't happen and is no longer possible, they need to have room to not endure rejection in every avenue of their life. Finding acceptance on the internet may be all that they have at this point in humanity's timeline. I don't actually hate them. But there are severe and systemic problems in the transgender community that absolutely must be dealt with. If things keep going the way they are, then it's going to result in a backlash that will fucking vaporize gay acceptance and make people look back at Trump's projected dystopia with a kinda wistful nostalgia. For the record, I'm not refuting your message. I agree with this a lot. The issues are largely systemic. The community itself has probably given everyone else a lot of bad direction on how to treat them. Trans men are men and trans women are women, yes, but 'trans people are not perfect' is probably something that doesn't get said enough. It would need to first be made acceptable speech in the trans community internally so it could later be adopted by those outside of it without hurting them further -- but I think it would mitigate an enormous amount of social pressure trans people have to be a perfect realization of themselves that many people crumble under. But in terms of preventing suicide, when others are outright trans-exlusionary, or even softly and calmly redirecting them back into submitting to the gender they were assigned at birth, I'm confident that a lot more damage is being done that way than reevaluating your motivations to be vocally and consciously objectionable about what other people do with their lives. |
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Post by Lobo on Aug 6, 2022 11:38:18 GMT -5
Thats about as prematurely conclusive as saying that buying a gun makes you suicidal because the majority of suicides are gun owners who killed themselves with their guns. Have you been curious enough to seek verifiable evidence that previously suicidal people deciding against transitioning saved their life? Because thats the objective of Gokuma's post and others like it. You'd have to consult living transitioned people, and there are many. You're demanding statistical evidence for something that is legitimately unprovable with evidence. Peoples lives being better or worse will always be subjective and anecdotal. If you and I bet on opposing sports teams and my team wins, my life is made better and yours is made worse from the same outcome. Can anyone other than you correctly assess whether you feel good or bad about any decision you made? No evidence then, just a red herring, some deflection, and "feels before reals". OK. Let's ignore the elephant in the room and hope for the best. Let me re-iterate: you said ... their life made much better since their transition. And this is demonstrably, empirically false as studies have shown (such as the one linked to by dn). And just for the record, this is not "survivorship bias": to use your analogy, the studies looked at the shotdown aircraft as well as the ones who made it back to base. TBH I wasn't going to bother answering at all but I have, just in case you're actually debating in good faith (which I doubt). I'm not being transphobic here: it pisses me off when people are sold that something will solve all their problems when it obviously won't. And worse, anyone who tries to warn them is either told to shut up, or made to. |
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Post by Gokuma on Aug 6, 2022 16:29:22 GMT -5
40oz I know you mean well for people's benefit. But you gotta step back from the propaganda and reexamine the big picture. I'm not denying gender dysphoria as a legitimate condition. I AM genuinely stating that a sizeable percentage of trans people are transitioning because of external influence. All the different types of cases of external external influence or other conditions affecting people I listed are in fact happening. Another I should have mentioned is literally peer pressure. Aside from just checking off those things to make sure none of those are too large a factor, there are old questionnaires or surveys people can take to examine themselves to see how much whatever confirms what they think. I've known people in real life. I know others who know people in real life. Really screwed cases of external influence and kid-grooming are happening, even told to me by supposedly gender fluid. I know that process is a tremendous and costly one, leaving many normal working people in half-transitioned limbo, because they can only get one major surgery and have to pay that off for a while like a more expensive car. I could tell you a few stories and cases, but I don't feel like getting into it right now and have other things I have to attend to. The amount of people thinking they're trans or fluid is way too high, especially in some areas where it's being overly encouraged and glorified. People are getting kids to transition way too young, starting at toddler age, when they're definitely too young to understand so much. At least several rich celebrity women are doing that to a kid, but less visible "regular people" are doing it too. I used to have your current viewpoint and obviously things have caused my view to change. As Darknation has suggested, the way things are going, it's causing trans and gay acceptance to possibly nosedive. I'll say LGBT+whatever are essentially shooting themselves in the foot, especially by not weeding out the child groomers and actually getting more inclusive of them.
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Post by dr_st on Aug 6, 2022 22:14:34 GMT -5
No evidence then, just a red herring, some deflection, and "feels before reals". OK. Actually, "feels before reals", as you so eloquently put it, is itself a key concept of the post-modernist theories. The rejection of data and the scientific method, and instead, the focus on the feelings and life experiences of specific people (as long as these experience seem to support the theory) is one way to make it extremely difficult to evaluate, test and criticize the theory. Any criticism or questioning of the basic postulates is labeled as "biased" or "bigoted" and thus dismissed, making real scientific discourse impossible. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2022 1:54:13 GMT -5
Haven't had any mood to reply to this derangement not quite truthful post 40oz have wrote up here, but now I'm fully rested, took the greatest pirozhki in this part of the country and... oh well somebody beat me to the answer you, already, lol. Happens.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 7, 2022 12:37:35 GMT -5
GokumaWhen business and government institutions such as social media algorithms and democrat speeches promote trans acceptance, I do think their priorities are in the wrong place. Like you, I do question their motivations for doing it if accepting trans people doesn't do anything to serve their ultimate money-making, power-harboring, global-dominating, purpose. Lets please both look at this from the lense of how controversy keeps people engaged on their platforms. On the whole, the way that trans acceptance is being 'jammed down our throats' by these institutions is more likely than not doing more harm than good to actual trans people and their communities (i.e. people who actually have gender dysphoria and have no profit incentive to be trans or talk about their lives) by making them constant targets for abuse by those who oppose. These institutions are essentially putting trans people on blast every time they mass market these ideas towards people who dont want to hear them. You and I dont have issues with our gender, so why do we need to keep being told that the trans community is amazing and fun and healthy and unfairly persecuted BY PEOPLE LIKE US all the time? You and I were not fucking seeking them out, the systems brought them to us, and we are simply uninterested! And because it is mass marketed to everyone through these algorithms, the machine does manage to collect groomers and child abusers and other social pariahs who dont belong there, and thats not ok. So im totally on board with that. My distinction of trans acceptance is not motivated by the propaganda. It's motivated by individuality, and it doesnt serve me to have the approval of people who accept trans people who dont know how to disseminate the difference. I know what youre talking about and I see it too, and it is definitely a problem. But your post and posts like yours is just fighting fire with fire. The propaganda machine, disguised as a direct message from the LGBTQ+ community to you, tells you what to think, you reject that bullshit, and then make your own public service announcement here, directed at no one in particular. (is there even a single trans person here??) Only directed at a large mass of people that make up LGBTQ+ and their allies about what they should think. The LGBTQ+ community is actually rife with people who absolutely legitimately belong there, and your post gets read by each one of them independently while you undermine their whole thought process and life experience that put them there, and they may feel the need to retaliate against that, or more likely, learn that they are absolutely outnumbered here and would probably get their head kicked in by the swarm of mean-spirited posts if they talked even a little bit about their personal experience with trans-exclusion at all. It just becomes this endless cycle of abuse towards each other. if this forum were a massive left-wing community full of trans people writing public service rebuttals to groups of people who reject post-modernism, id be telling them the same goddamn thing. It is their own life and it is entirely up to them what they want to do with it. Everyone does things that serve their identity. We choose our profile names. we pick our avatars/profile pictures. We choose our hairstyle, the clothes we wear, we get tattoos and piercings. And sometimes we fucking kill ourselves anyway. You and I both do things that people outside of our circles wouldn't support. Like playing video games for example. There are definitely people outside of video gaming communities that would seriously undervalue what we get out of playing games and talking to people like us who like games. They might tell us that video gaming as a hobby is absurd and an enormous waste of time and doing more harm than good, and theyre probably right! If the topic were up for debate they could cite an infinite amount of perfectly sound evidence that we'd be much better off doing most other activities for reasons that take less time, that are better for our health, elevate our social status, make more money or anything else that qualifies as a something that makes us better and happier humans. The pro video gaming argument would surely lose by a landslide. But who the fuck cares? You and I both like video games and this is what we want to do. It doesnt matter what anyone else thinks about video games as long as we feel like it is good for us. You can always do whatever the fuck you want to do with your life and life should stay that way. Its the same for trans men and women. Theyre not hurting you. Theyre living their life their own way. You have to leave them alone because youre picking a fight where there is none, and youre unfairly pinning responsibility for everyone for the actions of a system that benefits from never-ending controversy.
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Post by Gokuma on Aug 7, 2022 13:22:57 GMT -5
I don't know just how many people are trans or fluid on this forum. There's several people using anime girl avatars, but that doesn't mean they're automatically trans or fluid. My intention on this thread is not to hurt, disrespect, or pick a fight with them. My point is to counter the propaganda and grooming and to defend those falsely accused of being transphobic. If you want to bring up my other posts about balls and how manly people should be or I am, a lot of that is in good fun just to defy those condemning any masculinity as toxic and to poke fun at people who have asked for it for other reasons, such as banning and censoring the crap out of people. I don't think I've made any jokes on this serious thread so far. But here's one to lighten the mood...
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