DOOMER BOARDS PROJECT # 48 HYPE THREAD

What do you think I'm trying to manipulate? I'm just saying there's reasons why most people have been vocal against this project being a DBP, I'm not the only one in this thread that dislikes this project, don't put me down just because I called you out on getting lazy this month.

40oz
Ah, fair enough. I think you're kind of missing the larger point though. I don't wanna dogpile you, I'm speaking from a place of compassion. You seem burnt out. I'd like to help out, last night I was compiling some textures for a theme proposal to lead one month... but now I have to wonder if I'll be accused of powergrabbing, or that my motivations are all wrong. Sure, I could absolutely lead my own projects where I could even allow the slaughter gameplay I'm a fan of, and I'd love to lead that, but I'd also love to lead a DBP if I had a good theme that was approved.
No one knows who your passive aggressiveness this month is aimed at, so it just looks like it's directed at the community as a whole, which is terrible for morale, for potential mappers or potential leaders.

lunchlunch has a fair point. The quote is missing important context.



This is not the case; this DBP is a ZDoom mod paired with ZDoom maps. It will not work in vanilla at all. DBP have always been strictly vanilla limit-removing. Moving to exclusively ZDoom was a big enough change that one could be forgiven for thinking it warranted notice.

At the time of the quoted post:

- It was well after the month's start; most DBP are started promptly
- The project was already in development long before the month's start and had its own development thread; DBP development always starts on the first of the month (the rare exceptions always had advance warning)
- The project was still called DBP 0 and had graphics with that name; DBP are always sequential
- The project had an explicitly indeterminate release date; DBP always release at the end of the month
- The project lead had expressed his desire for this NOT to be the month's DBP and another regular DBP to proceed as usual
- The project had predefined slots which were full (save for one which was filled quickly), leaving no room for other maps; DBP have never had strict slot assignments or limits before

I'm only pointing this out to try and give some perspective on what the mappers were experiencing at the start, and shed some light on why there was so much confusion and thrashing around.

Some regular mappers, like joe seems to be, are invested in this series and in particular in its consistency. As the series leader it's your prerogative to maintain or break that. But maybe it is clearer where the reaction was coming from.

When I look at it, I see the actions taken early in the month were in the spirit of trying to help the series and maintain its consistency in the face of a haze of conflicting information. Misguided or not, I can understand where it came from.

I'm not missing it, I understand it clearly.

When Kontra Kommando is being spoken to like this, it tells any potential project leader that this is the acceptable behavior they can expect to receive from the mappers. It tells them that, should your ideas and proposals not be fucking pristine, that this is the natural order of things here. Don't fucking propose new ideas, experiments, or attempt at anything that isn't first uniformly supported by the masses. You're aspirations are doomer board's punching bag. It's really disgusting to me that it's understood that a project leader would have to pay for their attempts to do something fun with their mental health.

Nevermind that Doomer Boards was Kontra Kommando's community in the first place. I assumed Kontra Kommando had been watching this forum for some time but having been given the chance to work with the members of his forums directly, he's been met with some seriously vulgar attitudes from the members here, which is extremely embarrassing for me. I wouldn't be surprised if he never wanted to try being a part of doomer boards project ever again.

It's a fucking wake-up call that i've been warning people about for many months. This place is not good for fresh perspectives. It's very cruel and ostracizing.

I really don't want to be doing doom stuff in conditions where people are treating each other like this at all. I make maps for Doom because it's fun to make something that people enjoy and I want to share that with other people. It takes a lot of practice for people who are new at it and I'd like to facilitate that for people who want to get there. I don't want to be working with people who think the product is number one, and the quality of the experience to get to the product doesn't matter.

I'd like to hope that the end users who play Doomer Boards Project might see the DBP brand and think we're this cool group of doom community renegades that work together to make awesome shit because we break away from the trends that doomworld and the cacowards have defined as the pinnacle of Doom modding expertise. But there's actually some obnoxious shitheads here that no one is willing to put in their place. There has to be sensible people who casually check on this forum, not familiar enough with it to kindly ignore the quality of joe's posts and assume he means better than the vocabulary he chooses to get his thoughts across like a jaded doom community member might. I wonder what someone who has self-respect would think about this fucking place some times.

It's really shitty, and I don't like that I have to make excuses for him anytime someone is a victim to it (which I've had to, many times, across the span of several years.) It's insane, that things only ever feel like they're under control when I'm the one keeping them under control. It's really killing my motivation to keep this project and forum going. Why can't it just be about being a better mapper? Why does it always have to be insults and debates about facts, and intentionally misunderstanding people and misappropriating their words?

I personally don't like the way he speaks to me, and it especially hurts me to see him speak this way to others. I wouldn't make my worst enemy put up with this kind of shit. It makes me really distressed about appointing anyone to DBP leader position in the future whose feelings I actually give a fuck about. I'm running out rope, on how to deal with this. It's gonna have to start becoming bans eventually.

Does that cover all the bases? You have to understand I'm becoming so exhausted from writing novels worth of content that people don't read. I'd really appreciate it if you and everyone who feels they give a shit about me would ask their questions more directly.

Jesus, would you shut the fuck up about that already? Pretty please? For the good of mankind in general?

40oz While you were gone for over a year this forum was doing very well and evolving, despite you not being here to save everyone from me.

Not for nothin but last month featured a thread with some pretty heavy transphobia on the part of several users (two of whom were "legacy doomer board moderators") and your idea of "putting them in their place," as the guy running the show, was just telling them that they're wrong. Not banning them, not losering them, not even telling them to shut the fuck up.

Creators with big egos don't make me second-guess my involvement here but shit like that absolutely makes me embarrassed.

I was talking about the DBK guys because you claim I'm driving people away, I see no proof of that anywhere, but the DBK is a hard proof that you're a complete hypocrite who tries to dig dirt on me to make himself look good, why don't you try making a good point instead of dwelling in the past.
Speculating that you left the forum and don't care anymore is not some baseless claim I made, you left this place before, don't act like it hasn't happened, I still remember. What do I even have to gain from saying that? The DBP belongs to the community and not anyone specific, not you, not me; the community's. You abruptly left this forum and left the community to pick up the pieces, and now you come back after all that hard work by the community and act like you own DBP now, once you left the forum your ownership should've been gone, because you merely provided the basics while the community did most the work and evolved it tenfold.

The world doesn't revolve around you, sure, telling people to cool their jets was a nice gesture, but I still did what people suggested me to do, and even after the project's release I still didn't get any complaints; safe to say people wouldn't criticize my leadership further even if you didn't tell them to shut up.

I haven't said anywhere that this project is terrible, all I said was that it was removed from Doomworld because it was presented like a shitpost, and then made fun of Kontra for being mad and spammy.

A little earlier you said :


Whenever I say something you can't handle you play the time-out card. The DBP that you left the community to pick up the pieces for, now belongs to the community, stop being so egotistical and bring it back for everyone.

i think 40oz is a really good admin