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Post by mobreck on Apr 20, 2022 19:43:24 GMT -5
Hello, just thought I'd share an obscure ancient mod that is almost impossible to find now. It was a Beavis and Butthead enemy/weapon replacer mod created by a group called the ByteBrothers all the way back in 1995. Here is a preview video: Sadly Viacom got their panties in a bunch and shut the mod down. The Bytebrothers disappear shortly after. But with a bit of searching I managed to find copy, so here it is: www.sendspace.com/file/h8fgnp
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Post by 40oz on Apr 21, 2022 11:35:13 GMT -5
I was impressed with the level of detail in this, but there's no way this backstory for the wad is real. When I read this line: "Just unzip in your doom directory" I think this kinda casual throw around of "Just unzip in your doom directory" in a text file's installation instructions I think is a little too ahead of the curve for people in 1995. also lines like: "Then we released version 2.0," I don't think people in 1995 ever labeled their own little mock projects "releases" with the properly labeled versions. There might have been a few readme textfiles in 1995 that did this but this was rare. Keep in mind, not a lot of people had easy means of talking to each other these days so people were a bit more explanatory in their written speech because they never knew how someone else on the internet would perceive it, and they wouldn't be able to answer follow up questions. Communication over the internet was kind of a big deal and everyone had their own way of doing things. Calling uploading a container with with an installation package to modify your doom game a "release" is just way ahead of its time for 1995. I think even the TeamTNT guys, who were as popular as you probably get in the Doom universe, didn't ever really refer to their serious 1995 stuff as a release, akin to marketing it like a video game promoter company would. Remember, in as late as the 2000's people on the internet were still writing on the internet like this: www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/77758-good-stuff-ling/There's a level of "I know how ridiculous this is" when someone from 1995 puts something like "Beavis and Butthead Doom" onto a BBS server for other people to download and play. To claim it as a release even as a joke would go way over people's heads. I'm not a '90's computers' historian, but I've played enough 90's wads to know a bit about what the level of quality was usually achieved in projects like this. I think you would need superior art tools to get the graphics looking this "clean." Most tools used for image editing, converting to the correct format, and importing them into the wad file usually had some "loss" in the image quality resulting in a gritty jpeg-like film grain that even some of the best 90's PWADs couldn't escape. Mad respect for adding the INSTALL.DAT and FILE_ID.DIZ with the zip file. That was a nice touch and almost had me convinced this was real. The fabricated story is also really good. Nice job!
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Post by xeepeep on Apr 21, 2022 11:54:33 GMT -5
FILE_ID.DIZ NUTS!!!
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Post by JadingTsunami on Apr 21, 2022 12:00:14 GMT -5
Interesting. I remember hearing about this a long time ago, but don't recall the mod itself. I do remember some old sounds floating around in various WADs in that timeframe. Same story told as of 2002The graphics do seem suspiciously good; for reference here is an authentic "Beavis and Butthead" mod for Wolfenstein circa 1994. Judge for yourself the differences in quality there. However! The ByteBrothers do have a surviving release called X-MAS NIGHTMARE which includes graphics of a very similar style and quality, as well as the phrase: And: Unzip into your DOOM-directory A major.minor version number for the release: A README!.TXT with the same exclamation mark at the end. And even a reference to this "lost mod" by name: So while I always find skepticism warranted in general, I think this may indeed be legitimate. Plus in the YouTube comments there are several people who seem to remember this WAD which, in itself is not compelling evidence (human memory is notoriously faulty), but taken together with the rest suggests it may in fact be real.
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Post by 40oz on Apr 21, 2022 12:38:14 GMT -5
JadingTsunami Oh, interesting. I'll check that out those files. I forgot add that I find it hard to believe that Viacom had any idea what was going on in the underground Doom modding scene in 1995. Though, as stated above that's not evidence either, just another layer of skepticism.
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Post by ceejay on Apr 21, 2022 12:58:32 GMT -5
This is indeed genuine. I started playing Doom somewhere in the mid-ninties and got into modding during the second half ('97 or '98). I'm that old. No internet, that didn't come until later and among the first Doom-related places I visited were the /idgames archives and doomworld.com. My access to other mods pre-internet were through demo and shareware discs that came with magazines. I did come across this mod somewhere back in the early days, then it was lost and I couldn't find it anywhere anymore. I am familiar with the Bytebrothers and their mods, this one in particular always stood out for obivious reasons. Their artstyle was very cartoonish but surprisingly clean and of high quality for the time, compared to something like the old Simpsons WADs which were from around the same time.
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Post by joe-ilya on Apr 21, 2022 13:31:25 GMT -5
This is from 1995 and it looks crisp, no strange crusty JPEG artifacting.
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Post by ceejay on Apr 21, 2022 13:57:09 GMT -5
Clearly drawn by hand in some paint program of the time. Crude and simplistic, but this method does result in a clean or crisp look. Many DOOM/DOOM II sprites were also drawn by hand, but more professionally. Other popular methods of the time were graphics made from real-life image scans, this method however came with a whole slew of issues.
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Post by mobreck on Apr 21, 2022 16:19:20 GMT -5
I know for a fact the release date was legit. I played it back when it was new. The same developers also created a weird Christmas themed mod around the same time, though that one was barely functional. A stage that couldn't be finished and a few bizarre enemy reskins including the Spider Mastermind being replaced by a giant, xmas hat wearing skull that used voice samples from Stimpy.
EDIT: Oh wait, someone already brought up the ByteBrother's XMas mod. I need to learn to read.
Good point. I could easily believe the developers fabricated the story about Viacom cracking down on them. Use it as a convenient excuse to drop out of modding. They did completely disappear shortly after pulling the B&B mod down.
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Post by JadingTsunami on Apr 21, 2022 16:35:12 GMT -5
Good point. I could easily believe the developers fabricated the story about Viacom cracking down on them. Use it as a convenient excuse to drop out of modding. They did completely disappear shortly after pulling the B&B mod down. I think it's not so hard to believe myself. I remember that similar things happened in that timeframe like "Simpsons Doom" being blocked by Fox and an "Alien v. Predator" Quake mod having a similar issue. Also, it appears around the same timeframe they did have video games based on the same IP, which may have given them incentive to "protect" it.
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Post by mobreck on Apr 21, 2022 16:43:08 GMT -5
Good point. I could easily believe the developers fabricated the story about Viacom cracking down on them. Use it as a convenient excuse to drop out of modding. They did completely disappear shortly after pulling the B&B mod down. I think it's not so hard to believe myself. I remember that similar things happened in that timeframe like "Simpsons Doom" being blocked by Fox and an "Alien v. Predator" Quake mod having a similar issue. Also, it appears around the same timeframe they did have video games based on the same IP, which may have given them incentive to "protect" it. Yeah its always possible. Come to think of it I do vaguely remember the archive I originally got the mod from taking a "No Viacom Content" stance around the same time, claiming the company set them a nasty email. But that could just be my imagination, it was over 25 years ago.
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Post by Gokuma on Apr 21, 2022 20:12:23 GMT -5
I'm looking for the Beavis and Butt-head Doom I took them from and the original creator of the graphics is unknown, but here's two player skins I compiled in 1998. Beavis (renamed to Idiot)
Edit: They seem to be the same graphics as in the Wolf 3D mod (Barneystein?) but the Wolf 3D mod has better attack frames where they actually hold up and shoot a gun.
These apparently taken from the better one look much better.
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Post by mobreck on Apr 21, 2022 20:20:00 GMT -5
This is from 1995 and it looks crisp, no strange crusty JPEG artifacting. That mod makes me think DOOMGuy lost what little was left of his sanity and is now assaulting the demons with a bunch of killer hand puppets.
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Post by Gokuma on Apr 22, 2022 10:20:00 GMT -5
Not B&B related but here's a sample of what graphics talented people were capable of as far back as 95.
B&B related but just a map of their house:
www.wad-archive.com/wad/Houses-1-1-1 (map03... EDIT: or not. Not sure any of the Houses 1.0 through 1.3 compilations by the same author have it according to the previews wad archive)
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