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Post by joe-ilya on Feb 20, 2022 8:05:28 GMT -5
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Post by 40oz on Feb 20, 2022 9:07:54 GMT -5
Article says:
Crew, who was arrested Thursday evening, is now facing charges of homicide, robbery, and tampering with evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 9:51:58 GMT -5
Keeping a watch, that is all.
Also pointing out the fact BLM movement did not stop at justice for George Floyd, but went much farther with criticism of police, mass actions of remembrance (for example, some company required all employees to kneel before the portrait of George Floyd, and a Russian woman was fired for not kneeling), etc. I think that the black-on-white crime should be scrutinized as well, and it is also important investigate whether increased empathy towards blacks and decreased empathy towards white people can have effect on crime levels.
In other words, I am suspecting that the crime was racially motivated (stopping at homicide is not enough if you believe in concept of "hate crime"), and that altering empathy levels towards groups of people widescale can increase the crime likelihood.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 10:01:36 GMT -5
In other words, "dehumanization" - as per how Trudeau described protesters as "fringe" etc. even prior Emergency Act IIRC, as per how being white become of badge of shame, - makes it easier to justify violence against those dehumanized, either in the speech or in this case, in the criminal's own mind.
In fact, as you see, there is the link behind this thread and the one on "fascism". As of late, I hear too much vitriolic rhetoric from politicans towards certain groups (like somewhere in Europe, perhaps Germany, that "we want those who don't take vaccine to suffer"), and I think this is really dangerous speech when done by politicians, and even moreso when it's the basis of policies. While I am against criminal penalties for the language, such vitriolic comments by politicians must be banned nonetheless, a person wielding political power must not be allowed to use such rhetoric.
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Post by 40oz on Feb 20, 2022 21:18:44 GMT -5
As of late, I hear too much vitriolic rhetoric from politicans towards certain groups (like somewhere in Europe, perhaps Germany, that "we want those who don't take vaccine to suffer"), and I think this is really dangerous speech when done by politicians, and even moreso when it's the basis of policies. I agree with this completely. At least in my experience in Canada, politicians talk a lot of shit about owning the shame of their indigenous peoples' genocide but its really just to shift the blame out on its people. The government of Canada never actually does anything about it. White people are doing just fine in Canada other than having to be made "aware" of the dirty past of their ancestors constantly. Keeping a watch, that is all. Also pointing out the fact BLM movement did not stop at justice for George Floyd, but went much farther with criticism of police, mass actions of remembrance (for example, some company required all employees to kneel before the portrait of George Floyd, and a Russian woman was fired for not kneeling), etc. I cant speak on behalf of the Russian government. Businesses are just allowed to do that? Fire people for not bereaving correctly? Doesnt that sound like a problem of the Russian government and or the business practices and not whether the race of the person who died matters or not? What in particular draws you to criticizing the value of put on black lives and not the system that allows people to lose their jobs for having an opinion one way or the other? I think that the black-on-white crime should be scrutinized as well, and it is also important investigate whether increased empathy towards blacks and decreased empathy towards white people can have effect on crime levels. In other words, I am suspecting that the crime was racially motivated (stopping at homicide is not enough if you believe in concept of "hate crime"), and that altering empathy levels towards groups of people widescale can increase the crime likelihood. id like to see a source for that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 0:35:25 GMT -5
I cant speak on behalf of the Russian government. Businesses are just allowed to do that? Fire people for not bereaving correctly? Doesnt that sound like a problem of the Russian government and or the business practices and not whether the race of the person who died matters or not? This didn't happen in Russia, this happened in US IIRC, the woman was of Russian descent, but worked at US company. The kneeling was corporate event where all employees (both black and white) standed on their knees in front of an image of George Floyd. The Russian woman refused to kneel as she perceived it as humiliating, and everybody (including white) was staring at her in disdain, and following that, the management said they never thought she would behave in such way, and fired her. Can't find that damn news article right now, turns out there are a lot of news on kneeling, and banning kneeling, in relation to George Floyd, that it is impossible to find it and didn't bookmark the page. However, the point I was trying to make is that there were actions of mass remembrance, and searching the web for kneeling - effectively a virtue signaling affair - sure finds a lot of those.
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Post by 40oz on Feb 21, 2022 8:43:49 GMT -5
that cant happen in the united states. businesses cannot operate like that here. They can be sued for damages for something like that.
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Post by dr_st on Feb 21, 2022 15:31:00 GMT -5
that cant happen in the united states. businesses cannot operate like that here. They can be sued for damages for something like that. I am not sure if the specific case @vigilantdoomer mentioned actually happened or not. It seems a bit far fetched. However, in general, stuff like this happens all the time in the United States. No, you won't get fired officially for "holding the wrong opinion". It will be for "not being a team player" or "making other people feel uncomfortable". Maybe they will even find some technical reason why you weren't performing some function of the job (if you target someone, it's not that hard to find). Sure you can sue, and sometimes win, but the underprivileged people holding lowly jobs are very unlikely to do so, for a variety of reasons. That is why these people are the easiest to bully. Crap like this happens in every country and every system. It is not unique to the US, and the US is not free from it. Most of these cases will never reach the public, they are just not interesting enough. A different thing usually happens in high-profile cases that involve famous or at least publicly visible personas. If you say something that the "progressive" left doesn't like, the business will not sack you immediately. But they will do it (or put tremendous pressure on you to resign "nicely") after the "progressive" media generates an outcry, and the leftist threaten to boycott / divest from your business. The left is much more organized than the right in organizing effective boycotts, and so this works. Two such cases fresh on my mind is the case of Brendan Eich from 2014 (who was forced to step down as Mozilla CEO when it was revealed that a number of years prior he had supported a proposition against gay marriage), and Gina Carano (who was fired from Lucasfilm in 2021 because some of her social media posts were offending "progressive" feelings).
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Post by lunchlunch on Feb 22, 2022 19:03:46 GMT -5
Lol don't black people only make up about 0.0005% (rounding up) of the population over in mother Russia? I don't feel like BLM could have much bearing on your life, other than Twitter screencaps living in your head rent-free. I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm just a missionary for apathy.
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Post by 40oz on Feb 22, 2022 21:17:23 GMT -5
Sure you can sue, and sometimes win, but the underprivileged people holding lowly jobs are very unlikely to do so, for a variety of reasons. [...] Two such cases fresh on my mind is the case of Brendan Eich from 2014 (who was forced to step down as Mozilla CEO when it was revealed that a number of years prior he had supported a proposition against gay marriage), and Gina Carano (who was fired from Lucasfilm in 2021 because some of her social media posts were offending "progressive" feelings). About 98% of all social media backlash is coming from those with lowly jobs or little to no work at all. There is no way a business would get away with that. Being the CEO of Mozilla or working in Lucasfilm are far, far, far from lowly jobs. Those opinions are not relevant to their positions and its not important to voice them when youre the face of the company. You can talk about it to your family or your therapist or the grand wizard at your KKK meetings. Whatever. In the US, you can be racist all you want. I could show you where a racist family lives in my neighborhood. i can walk to their house without putting my shoes on. They fly american flags on their front porch, with "we support the police" stickers on their cars. Theyre kids go to private schools. They have jobs and pay their taxes and theyre doing just fine.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 22:56:57 GMT -5
40oz stop making monsters out of ALL people who hold important posts. Richard Stallman would be also a monster per your views (holding an important post), yet he is important pillar of free software movement community. I don't even agree with his political opinions - he is criticising the right and condemning Freedom Convoy, clearly I disagree with him on that. But not even in light of his views of Freedom Convoy I would consider the attack on him to be fair. And it's important to also protect people you hate or who state the views you hate or strongly disagree with from unfair things. Also, re "it's not important to speak", read Edward Snowden: "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.". You see, just because a certain person doesn't think saying something is important and thus can be avoided, is not a legitimate argument to take away the rights to say from others. Thus re: "you can talk about it to your family, etc." - you can apply it to yourself, but have no business addressing it to others. lunchlunch Russia is anti-woke (which is good to a certain degree, until it's not because Russia is like it's mirror opposite, having its own share of bad things) but I'll have to leave it. Not for US or other of Five-Eyes countries (specifically because of that). But Black Lives Matter got endorsement outside the US, say, in British parlament. In no way one can ignore it. Plus you should understand what empathy means, thus it's not important for something to impact me personally if it conflicts with my understanding to what is fair. It's natural to feel hurt for victims, regardless of how far away they can be. And then there is a fact that I spent 99.99% of my time online in English-speaking segment of Internet, thus I connect my offline Russia self to a English-speaking virtual reality. It's like if my real self was basically just in an empty room connecting to woke-West Metaverse to escape it. Except woke is also a thing I would want to hide from.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 23:02:27 GMT -5
Also let's not forget is that US is one of those states that can impose sanctions, thus it's very important how it defines "moral ground". Specifically in regards to sanctioning Russia vs sanctioning Canada (Trudeau's regime), the latter would be the just thing to do, but no, instead US supports the human right's violations in Canada, in fact advocated them to begin with.
If US was a state that everyone would sanction when they do shit, that would be a different situation. But right now it is a bully with perverted morality.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 23:43:40 GMT -5
(Also the irony of a person in charge of this forum vilifying anyone who holds power) Want to go for real evil people in power? You have Bill Gates, Fauci, Soros, the entire World Economic Forum. Trudeau is just a muppet compared to these. And Mozilla CEO or Gina Carano are literal nobodies political power-wise, if not by themselves, than on this scale for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 6:01:17 GMT -5
You know the "entire World Economic Forum" includes Trump and Putin, right?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 6:24:08 GMT -5
I'm telling 40oz which people actually deserve to be taken down, if he wants to go for the uber-rich and incredibly powerful, as opposed to more-successful-than-thou-might-ever-be-but-still-normie people he celebrates being taken down. Because the latter do not deserve it, contrary to what he thinks. Not for speaking an opinion anyway. Now those people in the WEF actually do have power, have done a plethora of rotten deeds, but not a single one of them is within the reach of cancel culture.
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Post by dr_st on Feb 23, 2022 12:19:01 GMT -5
Being the CEO of Mozilla or working in Lucasfilm are far, far, far from lowly jobs. You're going to pretend that it wasn't clear to you that when I talked about "lowly jobs", and then started a new paragraph with "A different thing usually happens..." that I was talking about different things? Just like you pretended that you actually thought the case @vigilantdoomer brought up about a Russian woman allegedly fired for refusing to honor George Floyd happened in Russia? Those opinions are not relevant to their positions and its not important to voice them when youre the face of the company. And you are going to pretend that you didn't read the sentence where I clearly wrote that Brendan Eich was villified for a proposition he supported a number of years prior to his appointment, and certainly not due to "voicing opinions" while being the face of the company? 40oz , you come across as a reasonable, well-tempered and calm dude. I admire these qualities in general, most specifically in forum administrators. I do, however, notice a pattern in your debates - you do not respond to points, or introduce counter-points, but rather attack strawman arguments that you yourself put forth, or simply derail the discussion, like the "anti-fascists" in the other thread, or "the racist family" here (I wonder what makes them racists, BTW - is it the "support the Police" stickers or the American flags?) Want to go for real evil people in power? You have Bill Gates, Fauci, Soros, the entire World Economic Forum. You know, I always keep wondering how people decide who to lump together with who in the "long list of evil dudes". Soros? Sure, he openly advocates for a very concrete globalist agenda which is not everyone's cup of tea (not mine either) and puts his immense wealth towards advancing it. Fauci? I guess he was caught lying and maybe being corrupt? Bill Gates? What's wrong with him? That he is very rich and supports advancing medical sciences and standards around the world?
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Post by 40oz on Feb 23, 2022 16:46:08 GMT -5
40oz stop making monsters out of ALL people who hold important posts. Richard Stallman would be also a monster per your views (holding an important post), yet he is important pillar of free software movement community. I don't even agree with his political opinions - he is criticising the right and condemning Freedom Convoy, clearly I disagree with him on that. But not even in light of his views of Freedom Convoy I would consider the attack on him to be fair. And it's important to also protect people you hate or who state the views you hate or strongly disagree with from unfair things. @vigilantdoomer, youre not going to find articles that tell you what I believe in. I don't work for the news. The news doesn't ask me what to write about. The news is its own machine. It has a prefabricated world view and whenever an event happens, they tweak their reporting of the event to fit that view. Theres a difference between private business matters and operations of the government. Brendan Eich, Gina Carano, and Richard Stallman all work for US based companies. The US government has no intervention in these matters because government and private business is separate. Businesses fire their public relations people when they're racist because giving the impression that they are not an evil, racist, organization is profitable. The way capitalism works is it treats all workplace personnel like theyre expendable. As long as the pursuit for profits exists, that is never going to change. If you are someone that represents the face of the business, and the public finds out you're using the money you earned from the business to infiltrate social movements made up of people that are in your business's target market, then its better for the business to get rid of you and replace you with someone else. Theres always going to be people to replace them with because people in these positions get paid and everyone wants money. The business doesnt care about anything other than where the money is coming from. And in the united states, poor people buy things they cant afford, they enroll in payment plans and monthly subscriptions they didnt budget for, sign contracts with cancellation fees they cant pay off, they pay for the warranties, insurance, get tricked by sales people, among other things that keeps big businesses leeching off of their bank accounts. It keeps people perpetually poor and in debt to those in power. In the united states, a LOT of those perpetually poot people are black. Thats why racially categorized US crime statistics show that robberies, looting, breaking and enterings, and selling drugs are predominantly done by black people. The natural order of white supremacy is that white people and color people dont belong together. They are savages. They are criminals. They need to be watched and heavily policed or they will shoot our white women uber drivers. The news wont tell you what im telling you because its not in the interest of big business to make people wise. They want you to be stupid while feeling smart. They want you to be quarelling with other people in low income brackets to keep you distracted. They want you to think the enemy is each other. You and me are not opponents. I know what its like to live in a big city. I know what its like to be broke and poor. I know what its like to feel alone and disenfranchised. I dont tell Justin Trudeau what to do about coronavirus. Or whoever is in charge of Australia to do what he/she does. They dont know who i am. They never read a single word i wrote. Im not active on social media. 99.9% of woke people dont know who i am. I didnt even vote in my own country this year. I am totally powerless to these political powers. The reason I need to get in the way of these threads is because this is my doom community. Im not letting you hijack it to turn this forum into neighborhood watch because some shitty firestarting news organization got your attention with an article about how someone in the world was killed in a crime of desperation by someone who wasnt the same skin color. You wouldnt waste your time writing your posts here and reading the responses if you were physically in danger by the nature of your surroundings and you had to plead with me and the majority of the people here that your life has value. How could you possibly have any self-worth surrounding yourself with people like that? Most people don't. Being white is not a qualification to be a doomer or participate in the doomer boards community, and non white doomers shouldnt have to pretend to be white to have your approval to be here or to engage with you in a manner where you can accept that their life has value to you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 23:08:06 GMT -5
That I just read a huge post introducing a strawman to attack, is an understatement. The "remove Richard Stallman" had nothing to do with racism. I also likely disagree with your (or woke left) definition of racism, plus in no way do I put a pressure on non-white doomers. Black and BLM are not the same. Not every black is woke, far from that I am sure. There are black Republicans out there. There are blacks who vote for Trump. Any sane person, regardless of their skin color, realize that woke movement is a fringe, extremist movement. We absolutely are opponents, 40oz. And yes, I am not in direct physical danger, I am in danger of being imprisoned by the state. I have a lot that Russian state can use against me. And in a country ran by woke left, I would equally be in danger of imprisonment. The whole world is going to hell and you side with the vile people. As for Asian countries, those would be hard for me to adjust to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 23:16:03 GMT -5
The natural order of white supremacy is that white people and color people dont belong together. They are savages. They are criminals. They need to be watched and heavily policed or they will shoot our white women uber drivers. That is the natural order of life, that establishes itself not only in context of race, but in context with any groups that are separated by the way of life, beliefs, etc. Remember Russia barely has any blacks? It does have very violent Muslim communities, though, and they are absolutely hostile to Russkies. And they organize a lot better. Separation of otherness is innate group behavior, present in all lifeforms. It is possible for whites to coexist peacefully with black, but that would require both to abolish their identity. That's right, if you want peace, "communities" need to be destroyed. Black, white, and any other color or whatever identity needs to abolished. The people should stop telling any difference, rather than institute protection measures that reinforce identity. There should not be any diasporas. Multicultural society will never work. Monocultural society is the key. You must bring all of them white, black, whatever to one denominator. Only then can peace ensue.
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Post by 40oz on Feb 23, 2022 23:33:54 GMT -5
We absolutely are opponents, 40oz. What the fuck do you want out of this, then? I was the administrator of this forum when you came here and ill be the administrator of this forum when you go. What is your purpose for coming here and posting as often as you do if you see me as an enemy? There has to be some sort of "40oz can go fuck himself" cool kids club somewhere you can hang out in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 23:38:04 GMT -5
We absolutely are opponents, 40oz. What the fuck do you want out of this, then? I was the administrator of this forum when you came here and ill be the administrator of this forum when you go. What is your purpose for coming here and posting as often as you do if you see me as an enemy? There has to be some sort of "40oz can go fuck himself" cool kids club somewhere you can hang out in. I absolutely hope you won't be administrator before I have to go. You don't deserve to be administrator of anything. Or, alternatively, here is suggestion to you all: please leave doomer boards for doom haven. And don't make any doom-related posts here. Leave this place to rot. Basically, we must force two choices: 40oz resigns from being administrator, never to get any sort of power back, or this place needs to DIE.
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Post by 40oz on Feb 23, 2022 23:40:15 GMT -5
What the fuck do you want out of this, then?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 23:42:29 GMT -5
Two options: 1. You delete your own account 2. This place becomes a ghost town no one posts on.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 23:43:11 GMT -5
I call on ALL doomer boards members to force 40oz to make the choice between those two.
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