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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 13:55:22 GMT -5
Oh fuck. Not right now, unfortunately. Give me some time to research it.
P.S. Might become a quest of setting up one's own IRC server on some 24/7 running machine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 14:12:21 GMT -5
Also, I'm very fucking interested in having a channel, so please don't think I don't care about it, it's on my mind. I really feel some rants can be taken off boards and onto a real-time chatting, where they don't even have to be remembered the next day. But alas, I indeed didn't prepare for lack of Tor acception by major IRC networks.
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Post by good-old on Aug 19, 2021 15:27:56 GMT -5
No reason for me to think I don't care lol. I do think rants will still remain on this forum, forums are more suited for long or big posts, also what's the point of ranting if no one reads it?
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Post by dmdr on Aug 19, 2021 18:33:54 GMT -5
I want to read the rants
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Post by good-old on Aug 20, 2021 14:00:13 GMT -5
Not sure if you're sarcastic there. I, for one, actually like reading rants, unless it's something I disagree with, but that's obvious. For example, I find optimus' rant on DW( this one) fucking lit.
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Post by dmdr on Aug 20, 2021 17:27:00 GMT -5
not sarcastic at all. I like rants, both my own and others.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 10:07:53 GMT -5
terminate speds on fucking principle - *will* end up on top in any eventual community coup. Point is that site-adjacent shit almost always end up with secondary mods. And those two power structures *will* end up in competition with each other, and the discord mods - the cool tranny wine aunts who UwU at your retardation and don't terminate speds on fucking principle - *will* end up on top in any eventual community coup. That's why you hire slavs to do the job right.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 10:09:02 GMT -5
Just let's made the yet another discord server for the sake of it. Not a big deal, Tormentor did for BoA, are we any worse than them?
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Post by good-old on Sept 3, 2021 11:17:31 GMT -5
The main reason some people here don't use discord is because they don't like the fact that it's proprietary and it collects a lot of your data and basically knows as much as google does about you.(but omegalol I still use it because spend too much time in discord servers and can't just forget it like that). I'm trying to make a one on another platform for that reason, for people who don't want to sign up for it. Also note this is not meant to be a competitor to this forum or joe's discord server.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2021 1:59:45 GMT -5
good-old, I'm afraid I don't have the energy to dedicate to seeking Tor-friendly IRC servers, so I guess we'll just have to agree not to post anything on IRC that might warrant intelligence attention. Then we can choose any nice IRC server out there, maybe the one dedicated to Quake franchise since it might attract an audience familiar with Doom, or help us forge an alliance with some Quake community. Diplomacy is king. P.S. The lack of energy has nothing to do with difficulty of the quest, I simply don't have enough energy to dedicate to anything that requires sustained mental effort, because I'm preparing for some real-life running event that demands plenty of commitment, both in training and in completing it.
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Post by ketmar on Sept 4, 2021 3:17:26 GMT -5
Got HexChat and connected to OFTC but apparently it's only for open source software discussion. oh, it is for open communities as a whole. it is just happened that such communities tend to arise around [F]OSS projects. but there's nothing wrong in hosting DB community there. at least this is how i understood their rules. besides, OFTC mods usually won't interfere unless your users start creating problems on other channels, or some other Huge Shit happens. for me, OFTC is one of the best IRC networks out there, with less restrictive rules than idiotic libera, and staff that won't baby-sit or censor you. i'd say that OFTW FTW! ;-)
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Post by good-old on Sept 4, 2021 5:56:08 GMT -5
But it does send this text message on joining the server: Welcome to the OFTC IRC Network. The Open and Free Technology Community was founded at the end of 2001 by a group of experienced members of the Open Source and Free Software communities; it is aimed at providing these communities with better communication, development, and support infrastructure. Our goal is to provide stable services to members of the community in any part of the world, while listening closely to their needs and desires. We are not a general purpose chat platform, but a topical network intent on providing the open source and free software communities a means to cooperate and communicate. As such, illegal and off-topic activity, such as warez trading, will result in being barred from access. OFTC honors your privacy. To operate the network, we store and process information about IRC connections, nicknames, and channels. Our Privacy Policy explains what we do with - that data, and what your rights are. By connecting, you accept these terms: www.oftc.net/Privacy_Policy/ If you require assistance with using the OFTC IRC network, stop by in channel #oftc, or email support@oftc.net with details. For help with non-IRC questions please refer to the respective channels and project homepages. Thanks and enjoy your stay! The OFTC team. Notice the bold part.
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Post by ketmar on Sept 4, 2021 6:09:28 GMT -5
that's easy: Doom is definitely open-sourced. and we're creating free content for it. so we're fitting.
if you will translate that part from "pigin legalise" back to English, it will read more-or-less as this: "we don't want you to create channels to talk about Justin Bieber or something. not that we will go hunting, but if you will create troubles, we'll kick you using this rule as a reason. but as long as you aren't creating any troubles, and your channel is somehow related to some [F]OSS topic, you'll be fine."
just keep the general theme (talking about Doom mapping, Doom mechanics, and such) — and it should be fine. it doesn't mean that offtopic is prohibited, it just means that there shouldn't be ONLY offtopic at the channel. ;-)
the words "off-topic activity" is just that: "don't do illegal things there. and better avoid politics and such." it is vaguely defined to allow OFTC staff to avoid people actively seeking the holes in the rules, not to actively censor the content.
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Sept 4, 2021 6:18:02 GMT -5
Open source is for cucks.
I personally don't think IRC has a place in 2021. Even dick-cord is better, or some of the various messengers such as Telegram (although that one's kinda more personal) or Wire. My friends' weed plug uses only wire to communicate, lol.
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Post by ketmar on Sept 4, 2021 6:22:13 GMT -5
show me the source of any working client for "other chat systems" that can be fitted in 5 pages of C code, and i will agree. yes, this can be done for IRC, and it will allow you to chat.
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Sept 4, 2021 6:32:32 GMT -5
That's not even a point for anyone that isn't autistic. Why does that matter? I don't suppose you expect everyone to write their own client, do you?
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Post by ketmar on Sept 4, 2021 6:38:33 GMT -5
how is spending your time playing the game that is almost 30 years old (and actively creating content for it) is not autistic? i thought that we all… oh…
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Post by good-old on Sept 4, 2021 6:45:01 GMT -5
ketmar Oh true, not sure why I forgot that. Also apparently off-topic is allowed but it has to have a +s on it, which I found out about after asking in the support channel. Even though because of what you mentioned it's technically on-topic, I'm gonna put it because a lot of non-doom discussion goes on too. Thanks for insisting on using OFTC. Also BIG DICK NIGGA how tf is open source worse than closed source? As for IRC, apart from what ketmar already mentioned about the clients, the fact that it's only a protocol and is not owned by a corporation makes it a LOT better by preventing stuff that only happens with corporation owned stuff like discord. You won't have them collecting all your data, or having you suffer stuff because you won't stop using it anyway.
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Post by ketmar on Sept 4, 2021 6:53:37 GMT -5
Thanks for insisting on using OFTC. i simply don't want to register in Yet Another IRC Network, so i thought that i have to try to convince you to use OFTC. ;-)
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Sept 4, 2021 7:00:52 GMT -5
Yes but doom is good because it's good, not because it's fucking open source or because you could code the engine in a day. how tf is open source worse than closed source? Almost invariably shit UI/UX with a million options dumped at your face adapted for internet autists that like to adjust the width of scroll bars or the colour of the background of every individual button or some autistic shit like that. On the other hand, if it tries to look good, then it has absolutelz zero usability. I'm way too old to bother with any of that. case in point: VLC player is one of the most well-known programs in the world, but isn't even fucking adapted for high resolutions. etc.
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Post by dmdr on Sept 4, 2021 7:13:45 GMT -5
real Gs use MPV anyway so fuck VLC
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Post by ketmar on Sept 4, 2021 7:54:37 GMT -5
Yes but doom is good because it's good, not because it's fucking open source yet without the source code it won't have such a community. because let's face it: you have to be REALLY AUTISTIC to play and create content for some ancient shit that you have to run in DOSBox, in 320x200.
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Post by good-old on Sept 4, 2021 8:23:12 GMT -5
I disagree with that, old games are awesome and are often better than newer ones. Nothing autistic. Also I don't see extensive customisation as a con instead of a pro.
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Post by ketmar on Sept 4, 2021 9:06:40 GMT -5
it's not about the quality of the game itself, it's more about QoL things. yes, old games are still fun (after all, the gameplay is still there). but having the binary you can run without problems on modern systems means a lot.
fallout 1 and 2, for example, are great games. but even with Timeslip's tweaks they're mess to run, and even more messier to mod. and without a lot of mods there are only so much times you can play it until you're bored. Arcanum modding, for example, died even before it was born.
what i mean is that having the source code helps keeping the game alive, and helps improving modding tools. and modding is what keeping the communities like this alive.
yes, Doom is a great game (that's why we still plaiying it, after all). but being forced to stick with the old DOS .exe and 320x200 (no, Doom95 is unplayable crap) would limit its attractivenes. and without the source code there will not be so many Doom players and modders today. we would remember Doom as "that one game that started it all, but today almost nobody will want to play it."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2021 11:11:18 GMT -5
Better autistic than retarded, I say.
Libre software and libre software movement are important because the right to privacy is important. And its importance can't be made obsolete by some retarded people from modern generation who decided they don't need privacy and who thus will use Discord, forfeit all their personal data to corporations and whatever. It also apparent that their communication habits also cause brain damage (to themselves), so they can't speak a phrase without trying to defame other people and so improve their own sense of self-worth (unless they are posting complete garbage, which they glamourosly call "shitposting").
Yes defending your own right to privacy demands heavy sacrifices in comfort - those unwilling to pay the price have been personally observed by me to drift away from hacker community in practice, and become your average simpleton (except maybe with some more money than general population of simpletons), no matter their original talents and intelligence.
The life manages to float above the Nineteen Eighty-Four bar because of fucking libre and open source software, otherwise we would be completely fucked already. Hail Tor and other darknets, people in Russia had to learn to use it en masse just to visit sites they liked to visit.
P.S. Doom engine is great exactly because it's open-source, if it were not you would be still stuck in visplane-limited world. By reverse-engineering and hex-editing stuff one would still manage to create a limit-raising engine like that weird hex-edited version (doom+ or whatever it's called), but that's it. Or maybe Bethesda would still upgrade Doom one day but keep the source closed, meaning no Gzdoom and other advanced ports for ya. Let's not forget that most of the Doom editing tools are also open-source, you wouldn't have come this far in editing Doom without FLOSS culture either.
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