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Post by optimus on Dec 10, 2021 10:35:50 GMT -5
Hehehe
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Post by MegaPancakeStrategist on Dec 10, 2021 15:52:08 GMT -5
Great demo I love the chunky heft it has. C'est magnifique.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 6:32:47 GMT -5
*originally intended to be posted in k8vavoom thread, but this is a bit of offtopic*
Hopefully the rumors about URE2020 being detailed are overblown.
We should groom people to HATE detailing and drop the bar in regards the visuals that are acceptable for releases. As a mapper, I don't want to contend with people who doing neat stuff, I want (preferrably) everything I can draw to be releasable as long as it has some gameplay and an exit.
This is what being vanilla and playing Doom out of nostalgia is really about. If you wanna play something nice, you gotta fuck off from doom community. Doom is about crude minimalism, a blatant disregard of visual appeal in favor of "look I released something playable" approach.
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Post by ketmar on Dec 11, 2021 6:51:18 GMT -5
just download and see it for yourself. you will NOT notice any "details" while playing, it's not another Gothic. if you aren't familiar with Vanilla limitations, you won't notice anything special there (besides good mapping, of course). but if you know what things you have to look for, you'll see something Very Interesting. that's how detailing should be done, i believe.
but in the end of the day, nobody forces you to spend years to polish every little pixel in your maps, i love URE2020 not because it is "full of details", but because it is fun to play. good visuals simply makes it even better, but they aren't the defining property of the wad.
still, there is a huge difference between "minimalistic" and "primitive". "something playable" can be done by just drawing some shapes, and never bothering to change that STARTAN to something else, but i really doubt that you will play such map longer than it takes to say "oh, crap" and quit. ;-)
but it looks that you're not happy with overdetailing, and here you have my full support. if somebody's doing details for the sake of details, it's not fun. if somebody's doing huge "artistic" maps that are unplayable (hi, Bridgeburner!), it's not fun. but adding details to support the map atmosphere, and making it in a such way that you won't even notice them until you'll specifially look for that is OK for me.
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Post by joe-ilya on Dec 11, 2021 7:05:47 GMT -5
It was true in the 90's and 00's before all the features we have now, now detailing is easier than ever, you can use the curve tool, the stair builder, and copy paste to produce quick and easy detail in just a few clicks, it's not that complicated.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 8:29:06 GMT -5
Thing is, I can't draw for shit. If I can visualize something in my head, I wouldn't be able to even put it down on a paper with a pencil, so all I can do with whatever tools is draw some random incoherent stuff and then try to desperately texture it, trying to find some textures that would fit without even knowing which would end up looking good before I go to 3D view.
So all I can do is pure abstract stuff that can't be looking like something real. And then just realize that this was passable in the past, I wish I had the tools of today in 2000s so I could do something barely as good as Hell Revealed II (still would take me no less than a month to produce a single map of Hell Revealed II lowest bar of quality).
What tools you have is insignificant when you can't imagine things in 3D (me most of the time) or can't draw what you have imagined (the rest of times) or it simply is not allowed by engine not being a true 3D.
So no, I really what the bar of the players to be reset to what have been acceptable in the past so I can make stuff that is acceptable.
P.S. Of course I can't draw stuff (that looks reminiscent of something real) on paper either.
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Post by ketmar on Dec 11, 2021 13:29:16 GMT -5
i can't see how "detailing" and "abstract stuff" are incompatible. also, i cannot see what is preventing you from making maps the way you want. major part of the community is totally ok playing new "95-style stuff". if you create good fights, and good map rhythm, people will notice that, and simply accept map visuals as a "style mark". especially if you will produce some maps with good gameplay, making a name for yourself and your style.
also, you somehow keep mixing "creating good geometry" and "detailing" things. "detailing" is done after you created the high-level topology of your map. those are just small things like "putting lamps into alcoves", "creating bevels around doors", and such. it doesn't require any supernatural skills, just some attention to… well… details.
but if you cannot create 3D within idTech1 limits, then no amount of details can help there. flat maps were boring back in '95, and they are still boring today. even E1M1 and MAP01 spicing their fights with some verticality, despite being small introductory maps. and it goes better from there. note that 3D elements in those maps are simple, and have zero real-life sense, but nobody cares. they were created as something that can make fights more interesting, and id barely even tried to hide that. people are still ready to accept such "abstractionism" as long as it makes gameplay more interesting.
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Dec 13, 2021 10:56:34 GMT -5
How the fuck am I supposed to read a 20-page paper on the ecological impact of roads
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 8:35:06 GMT -5
How the fuck am I supposed to read a 20-page paper on the ecological impact of roads Easy, you delete your account, or go somewhere where there is no internet with a printed version of the paper for a week.
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Post by 40oz on Dec 15, 2021 22:03:52 GMT -5
@vigilantdoomer thats really good advice for reading
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Post by dn on Dec 15, 2021 22:09:39 GMT -5
It is literally the only way I can get any fucking work done whatsoever.
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Post by optimus on Dec 20, 2021 17:19:26 GMT -5
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Post by E.M. on Dec 21, 2021 0:40:46 GMT -5
Awesome. I can't wait to play it.
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Post by good-old on Dec 23, 2021 13:12:13 GMT -5
I swear 2021 literally started yesterday you can't just tell me it's gonna be over in a week no fucking way wtffff
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 13:32:52 GMT -5
I hope Elon Musk develops cryotechnology soon enough to make it possible to sleep out the rest of pandemic cause fuck.
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Post by ketmar on Dec 23, 2021 16:22:26 GMT -5
why are you so sure that people from the future will have any desire to awake frozen bodies? just think about it a little: they were living, fighting, and building the better world, and when they're done, KABOOM! we're here, came to use the fruits of your hard work!
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Post by joe-ilya on Dec 23, 2021 16:29:03 GMT -5
^ For science! Of course.
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Post by ketmar on Dec 23, 2021 16:37:09 GMT -5
^ For science! Of course. ah, for medical experiments? yes, good point. also, frozen meat is not that bad food too…
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2021 9:57:50 GMT -5
Merry Christmas
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2021 12:46:30 GMT -5
Note: This is unrelated to any post above.
One of the core aspects of celebrating Christmas has always been social gathering, children laughing together with parents, people launching fireworks on the street from late evening and throughout the whole night. The union of hearts beating in unison - there was something special, some magic in the air, that was so unlike any other holiday.
So, are you really celebrating, or just pretending to acknowledge a special date in the calendar? If you wear a mask, or demand your friends or even worse, relatives, to be vaccinated in order to meet together - then your "celebration" is just virtue signaling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2021 12:58:47 GMT -5
And so this addresses the question in got in my Let's go, Brandon topic. What had the successful prank to do with celebrating the Christmas, other with it being a Christmas phone call? The answer is: the moment I read those news, the magic came alive. I didn't feel alone anymore. I felt the unity with the man doing that call, all the Americans who hate the president whose administration wants to force people to choose between vaccination and retirement, and billions of people world-wide opposing all the kind of vaccine mandates (I got the news initially through the Telegram channel opposed to mandatory vaccination or sometimes vaccination itself).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2021 13:22:23 GMT -5
Also, an answer to the question "Why do I care what happens in various places in the world where I am not yet a citizen": I am looking where to move from Russia, and so far every prospect looks grim and hopeless. At this point the only reason I would move is if I knew for certain someone in Russia is already looking to kill me or imprison me, and that it was a race against time to dash and evade it. Yet I am not feeling safe here one bit even now, and it affects my ability to plan and engage in every activity, especially leisure one like playing games or trying to make wads people actually would want to play or whatever. I'm feeling I'm endangering my own future when I am not working towards moving the fuck out of here, so I refrain from performing them and just wonder in perpetual circles of anxiety, still not doing anything because results of any activity can be thrown down the toilet drain at any future moment.
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Post by 40oz on Dec 26, 2021 13:41:49 GMT -5
So, are you really celebrating, or just pretending to acknowledge a special date in the calendar? If you wear a mask, or demand your friends or even worse, relatives, to be vaccinated in order to meet together - then your "celebration" is just virtue signaling. A friend of mine was with family for the holiday, but some of them don't get along so there was a lot of friction that was causing him some anxiety so I went to his house to spend some time with him. I later went to my mom and dad's house to visit them. My mom works in an old-folks home is required to get tested three times a week. She said they had a recent scare with a small outbreak of the omicron variant but she believes she's fine. She's had covid once before and believes she's developed the antibodies for it at this point. I have some siblings that are strictly anti-vaccine and while I don't particularly understand why, I respect their decision to do what they want. If the United States is one of the locations you're considering relocating to, watching the news is NOT representative of the social climate here. At least not in the big cities AFAIK. Where I am we are VERY laxed about covid19. Vaccines are totally voluntary.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2021 2:26:07 GMT -5
So, are you really celebrating, or just pretending to acknowledge a special date in the calendar? If you wear a mask, or demand your friends or even worse, relatives, to be vaccinated in order to meet together - then your "celebration" is just virtue signaling. Let's go Brandon!
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Post by 40oz on Dec 30, 2021 12:32:49 GMT -5
TW: negative attitude I don't like this thread. An all-encompassing topic for people to post "random" things is redundant. The TFC subforum is already for random things anyway. Any topic created in this subforum is random by design because it's not required to be doom-related. It seems like it's limiting conversation IMO. If you have something random to say, you should just make a new topic. Why?
1. When this thread is bumped, the thread title "Random" appears on the home page in the "Last Post" section. How am I or anyone supposed to know if the post is interesting if the thread title says it could be literally anything? It's a dice roll if its gonna be relevant to me. That's kinda annoying.
2. When you post in this thread, it's not really clear you want to be responded to. Are you just making some kind of exclamation into the air or is there supposed to be some kind of thread of conversation here? Does continuing a thread of conversation infringe on the goal of the thread? It could be either or so I don't really know how to participate with this and I imagine most people don't either.
3. When someone has something to talk about, how are they supposed to know if its worthy of creating a new thread or if it should just be dumped in this pile of miscellaneous thoughts? This really shouldn't be a question. If you have something to say, it should be a thread. I'm interested in what the people here have to say. It's self defeating to have your voices shrouded in an added layer of obscurity.
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