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Post by 40oz on Apr 3, 2018 14:24:40 GMT -5
In many different forms of entertainment, whether its music, movies, or video games, there are labels and restrictions on things that include coarse language, nudity, sex, violence, gore, or drug abuse.
Do you think there's any necessity to this? Do you believe being exposed to this stuff too early in life might effect ones development into an adult later in life? Do you think it has no effect whatsoever? Is it somewhere in the middle? Do you think there's some kind of explanation to what might be attractive to one person and disgusting to the next?
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Post by Justince on Apr 3, 2018 15:41:01 GMT -5
Yes I think it does have an impact, and I think parents should be aware if they're are the primary purchasers of said media. I don't have any personal anecdotes to cite, but I know if I did have kids I would not want them watching Rick and Morty or Walking Dead or listening to Cannibal Corpse. They don't need that shit, there's plenty of time to shit up your existence with sex and violence. Kids should be allowed to be kids.
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Post by xeepeep on Apr 3, 2018 16:57:20 GMT -5
I'd agree, but everything has a measure. From one side, it's obviously not good for kids to watch real nasty and grown up stuff at a small age. But the thing is that there are parents who stretch that definition of "small age", e.g. there are folks who forbid their 15 yo kids to watch condom commercials and all that. So there's a fine line.
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Post by agent6 on Apr 4, 2018 10:07:13 GMT -5
"Do you believe being exposed to this stuff too early in life might effect ones development into an adult later in life?"
For drugs I'd say yes, it certainly does have an impact, especially upon immature people with egos just as big or even bigger than the cosmos itself, and teenagers who might as well see them being used by someone in a clip, movie or whatever and start taking them afterwards, presumably because they think "it's cool" and have no idea what they're actually getting into.
The same category would be just as easily influenced by nudity and sex.
As about violence/gore, I have mixed views. This needs to be explained to a young kid who is yet to understand what he's actually seeing, but ultimately I regard someone who grows up and actually gets influenced by something like this and becomes violent or even potentially proceeds to commit crimes as nothing more than mentally unstable, I'm yet to understand how violence can influence a sane individual.
Restrictions might be necessary in certain circumstances, but necessity does not equate with usefulness. You can never keep the idiots and the mentally unstable individuals at bay forever.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 10:44:11 GMT -5
I'm not really sure, but I think this topic will become a lot more heated once the virtual reality technology becomes widespread. At the moment I might believe that a kid can kill a thousand people in GTA without it affecting his personality, but once games become pretty much indistinguishable from reality? I don't know man, I'm a little worried about this to be honest. Maybe in the future a 5 year old kid will be able to have an adult intercourse just by putting on a helmet. People will start experiencing all sorts of things long before they're ready to handle them in real life. It might be good for preparation, or it might result in a disaster.
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Post by agent6 on Apr 4, 2018 12:54:26 GMT -5
I'm not really sure, but I think this topic will become a lot more heated once the virtual reality technology becomes widespread. At the moment I might believe that a kid can kill a thousand people in GTA without it affecting his personality, but once games become pretty much indistinguishable from reality? I don't know man, I'm a little worried about this to be honest. Maybe in the future a 5 year old kid will be able to have an adult intercourse just by putting on a helmet. People will start experiencing all sorts of things long before they're ready to handle them in real life. It might be good for preparation, or it might result in a disaster. We might be able to create games remarkably close to reality, but making something indistinguishable from it is still going to take some time, besides as far as I know VR is not exactly cheap so it's not like it'll ever be widespread, or if it does happen that's not anytime soon. It's good to plan ahead just in case of a potential disaster does in fact occur, but I'm not sure this is the right time. Although you can never be too cautious, as the saying goes...
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Post by xeepeep on Apr 4, 2018 20:26:28 GMT -5
VR is not exactly cheap so it's not like it'll ever be widespread You do realize that this is only due to the technology still being very new? Just like with any other technology. By saaaaaay 2025 its golden era will come. Besides, Google Cardboard already costs like 25 bucks or something. IDK but it's cheap. I should really buy one. I'm yet to understand how violence can influence a sane individual. Definitely! A person in his CRUCIAL FORMATIVE years (childhood) can witness INSANE AMOUNTS OF VIOLENCE and TOTALLY NOT apply that to his own judgment and grow up as a PERFECTLY HEALTHY person! I fully agree!! Been a while since I last used sarcasm, am I doing it properly? :]
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Post by agent6 on Apr 5, 2018 2:40:53 GMT -5
VR is not exactly cheap so it's not like it'll ever be widespread You do realize that this is only due to the technology still being very new? Just like with any other technology. By saaaaaay 2025 its golden era will come. Besides, Google Cardboard already costs like 25 bucks or something. IDK but it's cheap. I should really buy one. I'm yet to understand how violence can influence a sane individual. Definitely! A person in his CRUCIAL FORMATIVE years (childhood) can witness INSANE AMOUNTS OF VIOLENCE and TOTALLY NOT apply that to his own judgment and grow up as a PERFECTLY HEALTHY person! I fully agree!! Been a while since I last used sarcasm, am I doing it properly? :] I'm well aware it's still new tech, but I have my doubts when it comes to how widespread it'll become. And no, I still disagree. I mean, the vast majority of games I like and play (or played) since a very young age dealt with violence and/or destructive themes in a way or another, not to mention the music that I like the most which in some cases seems to be gore obsessed, and yet here I am, an adult who's still very much sane and not interested in applying in real life what I'm seeing in video games and whatnot. Education also plays a role I guess, and if they really feel what they're seeing is not good for mental health then they maybe should stay away from this kind of stuff? Yeah I also know I may not actually have a clue about what I'm actually talking about when it comes to how violence and other things can influence people and their development, but it's still how I see the this nonetheless, even if I'm wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 2:59:58 GMT -5
I was never censored from "reasonable" graphic content as a kid, stuff like Doom, Duke Nukem, the first season of South Park, etc. Particularly graphic stuff (ie heavy amounts of realistic killing with lots of blood, pornography, etc) was kept from me until I was about 12-13 which is when my parents decided I could use enough discretion to no longer need supervision (not that they ever watched me like a hawk or anything, but when I was young they'd always check up on me to see what I was doing). After all that, I turned out totally fine! a fucking moron lol. Most of the time I was just browsing Doom/Mario related shit on the late 90's web.
Seriously though, for me the big kicker is how these things are presented, not if they are presented. If I'm being honest, most parents I see just seem like overgrown children (ie even dumber and less responsible than I am) so I could never trust that they would actually teach their kids the important lessons that need to be taught young: Violence and sex in games and shows is fake, in real life these things have severe consequences, treat others the way you want to be treated, other people's feelings are just as real as your own, etc etc. If a kid is taught these important lessons, I feel there's very little harm in allowing them to see tame-ish "mature" stuff.
I see no benefit in keeping your children ignorant of the existence of this kind of media. Hiding it from them will only make it that much harder to process when they inevitably come across it at an older age. If you're going to teach your kids just one thing, the most important would be "just because you see something doesn't mean you have to do it". If you teach children right from wrong, they will see "bad" stuff as "bad", they'll know the difference between normal stuff and deviant/"wrong"/immoral stuff.
Let's be realistic here though: Most parents are incompetent fucking babbling retards who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. The blind can't really lead the blind, so my suggestion for most fucktards out there would probably be "keep it from them til they're double digits" since it would be insane to rely on the idea that most parents might actually teach their kids right from wrong, how to handle seeing subversive material, etc. I know that sounds cynical but I'm just trying to be realistic. I see no inherent flaw in allowing kids to see subversive content, but if it's a do-nothing parent just plopping their kid in front of an iPad with porn on it, then yeah, that's pretty fucked up and stupid. I am thankful that my parents equipped me with the knowledge of how to handle the existence of subversive material and wish many more would do the same.
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Post by agent6 on Apr 5, 2018 4:08:22 GMT -5
^ my situation was similar. They never had any problem with me playing or watching violent stuff although they never agreed or even liked this kind of material. I was never forbid from playing games like Doom, HL, CS, San Andreas (read: my lil' murder simulator) and so on, but my mom made it perfectly clear that she loathes with a passion this kind of stuff anyway, however I never cared (when did I ever give a damn about what people think about what I like lol, this never happened, I've always been on my own, and for myself, rarely if ever concerned with opinions and someone else's perception of me). Besides, she also forced me to watch various videos made by psychologists and psychiatrists who condemn shooters and violent games because they're supposedly "very dangerous for one's sanity and development". I know for certain I'm not the average person on many levels, BUT I'M NOT A PSYCHOPATH. I could never understand the need to show me these videos, I sometimes wondered whether she secretly thought I'm insane or may become so or something. The dark realms of my mind are certainly a dangerous and hostile place, but imagination & fake/virtual stuff =/= reality, so please come down to earth. As about porn stuff, honestly I've never been into watching this, so they never tried to "protect" or restrict me from such material. 13-15yrs old kids might secretly browse porn sites, but I for one never did this, not even once. Porn has never been my cup of tea and never understood some people's need to watch this for a reason or another, and frankly if I want something to get my blood pumping I actually choose to imagine something in my own twisted mind instead of browsing websites, watching videos, and so on . And overprotective parents never succeed, that's an old lesson learned, but by far fewer people than there should be. You can never isolate or shield anyone from anything, this is one of the dumbest illusions of the world, you cannot control anything, let alone someone, this attitude only creates incompetent adults who are unable to cope with many difficulties later on and have no idea how to react or better understand what they'll undoubtedly see further down the road. Great to see someone who agrees with my POV on education, being explained what's real and what's bad to apply in the real world for good reasons and also explain them why that is, is the best thing they can do, instead of heavily censoring and hiding everything they deem as "dangerous" away from them, this rarely if ever has a happy ending, it's a highly inefficient method used by small and primitive minds with potentially serious consequences.
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Post by 40oz on Apr 5, 2018 4:53:43 GMT -5
IMO the distinction to be made is if the content is "entertainment" or not.
For example ripping a guys heart out in Mortal Kombat or watching two dudes Eiffel tower a chick on pornhub is a lot different than watching a video of a real life cannibalistic tribe hunting and eating strangers, or seeing a guy actually beat and rape a woman he found on the street.
The question becomes "Is this supposed to be fun, or am I witnessing a real life crime?" and I think that age isn't exactly the determining factor, but rather when the person has the capacity to ask themselves a form of that question. For most people I've known since childhood, they can make the distinction roughly around the same age that they can speak in full coherent sentences and understand what "fair" means.
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Post by dn on Apr 5, 2018 11:44:40 GMT -5
these are all just variations on the theme "Won't somebody think of the children!" Which I'm fairly sure is the last ditch argument of the intellectually bankrupt.
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Post by xeepeep on Apr 6, 2018 8:38:19 GMT -5
I know for certain I'm not the average person on many levels, Have you ever wondered what was that caused by? Huh? Huh?
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Post by agent6 on Apr 7, 2018 12:40:49 GMT -5
I know for certain I'm not the average person on many levels, Have you ever wondered what was that caused by? Huh? Huh? Yeah, probably cursed or something .
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