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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 16:10:21 GMT -5
In my eyes they are still monsters, undeserving of pity or mercy.
Born monsters, are monsters, will always be monsters. I cannot stand the very existence of it and it should be hunted and destroyed.
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Post by TOS on Jan 29, 2018 18:04:44 GMT -5
I do not care how they feel about it. Would you be able to repeat this phrase if you found out that one of your acquaintances is a pedophile? It is not an impossible scenario at all. If I came out as a pedophile, would you suddenly completely lose any sympathy for me despite having only positive exchanges in the past? Does attraction to children override everything? What if it was a family member who has been nice to you for decades? Still no desire to console them at all? One revelation turns all previous experiences into dust? If anybody, and I do mean anybody, that I was close with (best friend, father, siblings, whatever) came out as a pedophile, I would cast them out without batting a fucking eyelash. Pedophiles are the absolute scum of humanity. I would never give one any sympathy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 19:04:48 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand why pedophiles seem to cause such emotional responses. "Monsters", "absolute scum", "bring back public executions" (!!!)... These are some strong words, man. Seems like children are painted as sacred little angels that are more important than anything else. It's like people don't care that much about other crimes, but as soon as a kid is involved everyone suddenly loses their head. I wonder if it's always been like that, or is this "child worship" a relatively recent phenomenon.
I want to clarify, it's not that I don't feel your anger at all, but I'm a little baffled by the intensity of your reactions. And I think I see something unjust in the fact that children get so much sympathy, but once you reach an arbitrary age and become an "adult" (what does that mean anyway? I still feel like a dumb confused boy) suddenly you're kinda on your own. There is something quite illogical about this whole thing and I'm fascinated by it. It's especially weird how even pedophiles who don't do ANYTHING get so much shit.
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Post by xeepeep on Jan 29, 2018 19:43:32 GMT -5
^ I'm getting the impression that you are going by the "legal" definition of paedophilia (so < 18 y/o) while the other dudes here seem to go by the "moral" one (like the srsly sick stuff, < 10 y/o or so). I can't say why though, but I really think that you and the other dudes are using quite different terms here.
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Post by TOS on Jan 29, 2018 21:29:00 GMT -5
One of the last truly beautiful things in existence is the innocence of a child. The worst kind of criminal is the thief who steals that innocence or gets sexual pleasure at the thought of it.
That is all I am going to say if you are seriously asking me what the fucking difference is when a child is involved.
I'm done discussing the matter. I've got nothing left to say about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 1:28:20 GMT -5
I understand you're done talking about it but I find it too interesting not to respond
See, we've crossed the line here from policing actions to policing thought. This is absolutely, fundamentally antithetical to the American way of life, completely antithetical to freedom itself. It doesn't matter how horrible we think pedophiles are, if they keep their actions under control, they should not be punished.
What sick desires do you hold, or do any of us hold? What mere thoughts will future government find detestable enough to outlaw? To punish with castration or euthanasia? I don't want to be on the receiving end of the cock of tyranny so I have an extremely firm "no thought police" stance with zero exceptions.
It's very easy for us to point a finger at someone and say "strip that man's rights away!", especially when they're different from us in some way or are afflicted with a mental issue we can't understand, as we are not afflicted with it. So, it begs the question: when do we outlaw thoughts about murder? When do we outlaw thoughts about other crimes? Do we draw a line? Who decides where we draw it? What is the point of policing thought when actions are the only things that can harm others? There's simply too many holes in this line of reasoning for my liking.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 2:09:08 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone commenting here is advocating for 1984 style thought crime policing, but I think enough time and thought has been spent on this particular topic. Monsters are real, and I’m tired of people trying to understand their mental processes or emotional state. Fuck those cunts, with a 10 foot spiked steel beam up their arse.
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Post by BattleKorbi on Jan 30, 2018 3:43:16 GMT -5
I simply knew it someone would say that it is absolutely dystopian to punish them just because of their thoughts, and that these reactions are waaay too stronger than for other crimes. Predictable. Either too predictable or I am some sort of a chessmaster when it comes to these discussions.
Either way, yes, it is that vile. And the laws regarding it are as loose as they can get. I even wrote in my other posts here that those who get off children are lucky their thoughts aren't monitored as well. Parents are mostly in control of this "witch hunting trend", not just anyone who is American or whatever the fuck. Politics don't mean shit when it comes to this, and if cases happened that one was unjustly framed of performing pedophilia, well, that case would have to be worked on, but that doesn't mean that in general people would loosen up on this. The all around thought that pedophilia, in no matter what form, is unexcusable and vile is just what everyone else has to deal with. I told more of this in my other post, however, I can add another detail.
Whenever a doctor or a priest in a conservative community touches a kid wrong, people are enraged. It isn't like they don't care, but it is the loose laws themsleves which prohibit mob justice, and if any broken cog in the system accidentally lets one of these monsters free, it doesn't mean the whole system was bad from the start. Pedos often get caught again, and cannot be let loose by a error. People get righteously mad when a monster like that returns to their regular life, no questions asked. I've read stories from priests who often were approached by people who would accuse the priest and the whole Catholic church for "justifying" and "defending" the potential pedo in the ranks, and while not every priest can defuse the statement properly (depending on the accuser), just pretty much every rightful priest is annoyed by these inquisitive questions and indirect accusations. Just a small number in the statistics stained the image of the whole Church, and any mono-theistic religion by default, because people cannot forget these happened. While church burnings and christians being persecuted are a wildfire of a number, no one cares about these, but as soon as one of these fuckers touch a kid, people just drop being religious.
This is a good example of just how vile and terrible the crime and existence of pedophilia is. It hurst everyone and leaves permanent stains. And if we ever were to loose it up even more, we get a bad legacy to give to the future adults of the world. Pedophilia is unexcusable, and that is what we have to deal with, no matter the continent, nor economic position nor political orientation, nothing matters to this universal, species-wide crime.
Why isn't murder just as bad? Why isn't theft as bad? That all depends on the cultures of themselves to cultivate. Maybe there was once a gathering of people who thought stealing from each other was a game meant to increase their survivability skill? Wars happened, people were hurt and killed over tracts of land and riches. Usually, there is some kind of a profit for the criminal, or the criminal has a proper given excuse (Catholic church doesn't consider killing a sin if done for protection and defendance of life/home, but to the law it is as bad as being the assaulter), or some institution wants to forward a certain agenda (ethnic cleansing comes to mind), but compare this to a pedophile or a child molester. Unless it is a horror movie, no pedophile has to rape children to "survive". Not even if a real enviromental disaster happens, no one needs to insert their dick into a 14-year old's hole to survive. Its just unnecessary and stupid to do. Its literally un-excusable when compared to other crimes. I know, genocide is a thing, but who likes doing that shit or seeing that happen. I can already fucking see it "Holy shit KoRBE ARE YOU JUSTIFYING GENCHIDE!?", and my answer is "No, damnit!", because, just compare the chances of a genocide and a child molestation happening. You would see the latter is much more frequent than the first, right? What about school shootings and killing sprees? Well, you already know what I am going to say right?
There.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 10:29:35 GMT -5
See, we've crossed the line here from policing actions to policing thought. This is absolutely, fundamentally antithetical to the American way of life, completely antithetical to freedom itself. I wish you'd tell that the politicians who created and stand behind "Hate crime" legislation, because that is precisely what they are doing.
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Post by GRUG on Jan 30, 2018 12:24:47 GMT -5
True, but it's not to be normalized. I'm seeing a bizarre trend with the media/universities where they are normalizing taboo shit.
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Post by 40oz on Jan 30, 2018 13:21:17 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand why pedophiles seem to cause such emotional responses. "Monsters", "absolute scum", "bring back public executions" (!!!)... These are some strong words, man. Seems like children are painted as sacred little angels that are more important than anything else. It's like people don't care that much about other crimes, but as soon as a kid is involved everyone suddenly loses their head. I wonder if it's always been like that, or is this "child worship" a relatively recent phenomenon. I'm not a dad, but it's my understanding from people very close to me that have become parents that before having kids, they had a pretty similar opinion to yours and mine. Kids are annoying, stinky little dirtballs that cry and scream and shout and jump on stuff and steal and fight and blah blah blah But the way your mind changes when you actually have a child and see someone who is actually of your genetic makeup and can walk and talk and carry traits of your own is such a surreal experience that you can't possibly experience something like it without having kids of your own. I know that sounds all ooey gooey, but most people I've talked to explain it in that similar way. A more logical point of view that doesn't get talked about much is that it's common in third world countries that children die before they reach 10 years old, so families often have lots of children because there's a pretty tight risk of tribes and lineages getting completely wiped out by disease or famine or other natural causes, and there's a lot of work to do to prevent these things from happening. In more civilized countries, there's less risk of death which means people are less inclined to have kids of their own. With cutting edge technology and medicine, people are living much longer, so when people retire at 60 years old and live off of company or government pensions, they're still using and consuming things without performing any work. This is a future problem where strong nations will mostly be inhabited with living retirees whom have become too old to perform work on their own, and there are fewer young people who are willing and able to take care of them. I guess an argument can be made that we need to depend on more robots and automated services for that, but at this time, strong young adults are on the road to becoming a commodity.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 1:37:42 GMT -5
Just want to make it excruciatingly clear, I would never advocate for "acceptance" or normalization of pedophilia - it's fucked up beyond belief. I just think there's an effective middle ground here between "just kill them" and "just accept them", that's all. Also Vordakk I certainly agree, legislation that results in less rights is almost always shit. It's one of the main reasons I call myself centrist, the left is usually the side that wants to fork over personal liberties in exchange for "protection".
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Post by joe-ilya on Feb 4, 2018 3:12:23 GMT -5
Pedos who are rapists should be put in jail just like any other rapist. Pedos who aren't, should be put in a mental hospital or rehab, so their minds will get cleaner.
No need to kill.
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Post by TOS on Feb 4, 2018 9:10:53 GMT -5
We are quite the saladbowl of opinions here at doomer boards, aren't we?
Damn...it's almost like we tolerate all opinions...even those that we don't agree with.
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Post by joe-ilya on Feb 5, 2018 1:28:38 GMT -5
Who said anything about toleration? If anything, then I was actually intolerant in that post and urgently wanted them to change or be completely locked in a cell, depending on the situation, I just don't think killing them immediately is always the solution.
It's just so easy to say "kill all pedos" instead of "let's try to change their minds when they still haven't committed any crimes yet".
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Post by deathevokation on Feb 12, 2018 14:16:14 GMT -5
Sorry in advance for the dark and probably convoluted post. It's not only about childporn; but it's related in that it's a fetish that people claim "external locus of control" over (some of it is about childporn, though)..
Today, I accidentally came across some snuff on Youtube 2 min after it was uploaded... kept watching with a "you've got to be kidding me, how did this get past moderation!?".. kept watching, looking for a sign that it was some shit studio production or an outtake from a really bad movie... when it became clear that neither of these were the case I clung onto the hope that it was a shitty edgelord porno and in the process like a moron, in denial, I watched a guy strangling a girl right up to her last breath.. I stopped there but the thumbnail showed him later bashing her head with a rock... I want to die just thinking about it.
Seriously. How the fuck do people consume this as media!? You have some sick fetish there's Hentai or something for the short term instead of buying real snuff. All it was, was a beta manlet having a powertrip.. like from beginning to end that was the punchline.. honestly, if I found myself gravitating towards stuff like that, I'd go to hell and back to fix my brain with mental gymnastics or break it in the process or just go full mgtow and not just accept "oh well it's a mental disorder I'm not a monster".. I feel like society's becoming way too tolerant lately.
I've also seen an article on Salon saying "I'm a pedophile, not a monster becuz haven't offended" and a whole page saying he's not a bad person, it's like... ok, so you admit you enjoy something that's wrong, you just going to leave it at that? What are you going to do about it?? Since you placed so much importance on it that you wrote a huge article, you obviously place a lot of importance on sex.. yet you aren't going to try change anything or rewire your brain? Honestly, if you admit you're a pedophile but don't do any further action or even make an effort to strive to better yourself... instead just trying justify it with "it's not like I'm a monster, I haven't committed, plz don't demonize me" then you're lazy and weak as fuck.. the more society tries to take stigma and taboo away from pedophilia the less mental hurdles people have to jump through until they "accept" themselves, leading to more acting on it.. it's the same with the stigma getting removed from any sexuality (only difference is that being gay is a commitment between two consenting adults.. so there's no victim, unlike pedophilia and snuff, which basically revolves around hurting someone), really. While obviously I'm not for killing people for bad thoughts, the strong reactions and knee jerk responses that some would call an overreaction need to stay so that alarm bells go off in your head when you find an unwholesome attraction.. instead now you're literally one google search away from an article that puts your mind at ease.
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Post by mistercornbread on Feb 18, 2018 9:31:12 GMT -5
What we are sexually attracted to is entirely out of our control. The qualities you find sexually arousing in another person are not your choice so much as they are a combination of genetics, environment and experience. It's doubtful that pedophiles wanted to be attracted to children, and far more likely that one day they realized they were. And just what are you supposed to do about that? How do you live in a world where you're not allowed to express your sexuality? It is a very unique form of attraction in that you're attracted to people who have a very poor sense of agency and whose cognition is not developed enough to understand consent, as well as the implications of sexual behavior. I'm not 100% sure I agree with legislating when someone knows how to consent to sex; the age range varies enough that an illegal act in one state is completely legal in another. But if we do it case-by-case, we might find out that a lot of children do have a mature understanding of sexuality and consent, which is disturbing.
If we want to be humane about it, then I think we should allow pedophiles to come out of the woodwork and seek help before they harm a child, instead of outright demonizing them from the get-go. Demonizing the other is a way of avoiding admitting that the spectrum of human behavior includes actions that are deeply profane. Regardless, I think we should encourage them to seek therapy. I also think that highly realistic virtual reality child porn—completely CG, controlled by AI, with no human on the other end—might be able to satiate their desires. It's repugnant to imagine, but I would much rather they engage in a virtual scenario than go out and seek an actual child.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 12:33:11 GMT -5
What we are sexually attracted to is entirely out of our control. The qualities you find sexually arousing in another person are not your choice so much as they are a combination of genetics, environment and experience. It's doubtful that pedophiles wanted to be attracted to children, and far more likely that one day they realized they were. I'm not so sure I believe this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 12:51:49 GMT -5
Why not? Are you able to control what you're attracted to? Can you simply decide to be aroused by women with a tattoo on their forehead and force your body to react to them?
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Post by mistercornbread on Feb 18, 2018 17:04:19 GMT -5
What we are sexually attracted to is entirely out of our control. The qualities you find sexually arousing in another person are not your choice so much as they are a combination of genetics, environment and experience. It's doubtful that pedophiles wanted to be attracted to children, and far more likely that one day they realized they were. I'm not so sure I believe this. How in the world would anyone choose who they're sexually attracted to? And especially children. I mean c'mon. I figure that must be a very disturbing and shameful thing to realize about one's self, no one would choose that. The causes of pedophilic feelings is what needs to be examined. I suspect in many cases the subject experienced unresolved sexual trauma.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 19:12:35 GMT -5
Like I said, I'm not so sure I believe that. I'm not claiming it's flat out wrong, but I think maybe there's more to this than what you guys are saying. Humans do have sexual attractions they can't control, but I believe some are very much controllable. But again, I'm by no means an authority on this, it's just what I surmise to be the truth.
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Post by mistercornbread on Feb 18, 2018 19:54:10 GMT -5
Well, at the very least, there are people who diddle kids as a power trip thing because they're a lot easier to manipulate than adults. There are definitely cases where they're not really attracted to kids, but molest them because it's easier. It's like the ultimate form of cowardice.
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