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Post by dmdr on Mar 3, 2022 19:36:46 GMT -5
So some of you nerds may be a bit confused about the recent conflict between the forum administration and certain users (by which I mean 40oz and @vigilantdoomer obvs), as well as 40's recent imprecations to 'love' one another or w/e. What's going on is essentially a battle between the pro- and anti-Longhouse elements of the community (I am part of the latter btw, so yes you can reasonably criticise me for bias). So, most of you are probably asking, what's a Longhouse and why are you capitalising it like some pompous fuckin German? Well, first of all it's a proper noun so I can capitalise it if I want, but mostly to distinguish it from traditional Scandinavian architecture. The Longhouse is basically feminine social control. I'll let the Eighth Century Woodchipper explain further: We can quibble about the historicity of his description of life in pre-Aryan Europe (which, to me, frankly reeks of 60s anthropology, and as such is probably fake and gay), and tbh I think the Longhouse is more a product of feminised, ie. maladjusted, men (hi 40!) rather than women, but the last few sentences do describe a mode of social control quite well, which is basically the creed of never ever arguing and always 'getting along'. This is primarily a feminine thing and is rooted in the fact that chicks tend to stay mad after fighting with someone, whereas dudes usually make up pretty quickly (as the linked article mentions in passing, this is also observably true for chimpanzees) -- thus we can reasonably expect women and feminised men to smother all conflict before it starts in order to prevent hard feelings/the loss of social cohesion in the future, using primarily feminine means, which in this context basically means shaming people -- if you don't know, 'shame' is when you are conscious of your social group's disapproval; this is distinct from 'guilt', which is what you feel when you know you've done something wrong regardless of whether anybody else knows about it (so it's possible to feel shame when you haven't actually done anything wrong, if you are surrounded by tards with shitty social norms. I got paid out once in high school for not shoplifting, for example). (digression about the role of shame follows)
I will add that shame isn't necessarily bad -- I work for a book wholesaler and one of the books we had through recently was Diagnosis Normal by Emma A Jane, a memoir by a severely depressed feminist who was molested as a child (but I repeat myself). She describes being 'slut-shamed' as a teenager by her peers while simultaneously admitting that her actions were, um, unhelpful for her own well-being; so she herself tacitly admits that if she'd listened to her classmates and engaged in healthier, ie. more monogamous, sexual behaviour she would have been better off. Hence why it's important not to associate with dipshits! Im giving every one of you a free hug. A lot of you seem to be seriously attention deprived and acting really fucking ugly towards one another. Its really gross and it looks like your lives are turning into a preventable tornado of anxiety and brain rot. Break the cycle and start saying nice things about each other. Now. You guys all like doom and you need to be grateful that you can be around people who also like this shitty game with you. If you dont have your people to talk about Doom with, where else are you gonna go? Instead i see you guys talking only about things you disagree with each other about and getting roped into these miserable arguments. There has to be something you like about being here. Please think about it carefully and take the initiative to make this place better for the other members youre sharing this community with. I really dont want to have to be your dad right now but I love you guys and I just could use a little less dissappointment right now if you dont mind. Note the bolded parts (emphasis mine) are basically all referring to the way others perceive us; it 'looks like' we have brain rot, he's disappointed with us. The proposed solution is also to smother conflict by being nice regardless of whether or not we mean it -- '[Say] nice things about each other'. I gather he deleted the Doomworld thread too (vigi seemed upset about it in the other thread)? I haven't been doing doom stuff recently so I haven't been on the forum for a while, mostly just dropped by to see what the resident slavs have to say about the recent invasion of the Ukraine by Russia tbh. In any case it's another good example of conflict smothering by removing a potential flashpoint. NOW I don't want to single 40 out since he isn't the only soyboy here, and in fact for my money @pistoolkip is even worse! Here's a sample, from the 'One Humanity' thread (I cut out his playthrough video as irrelevant, you can follow the link if you'd like to watch it): Damn, this thread does not make this community look good, let me tell you. You don't have to play it. You don't have to give Romero your money. You can donate through other channels. Just don't be a bitch about it. Don't really need to emphasise anything here since the whole thing is pure Longhouse, starting with an explicit appeal to the feelings of other communities before culminating in an explicit demand for us not to criticise people who aren't even on this forum! I may have had a go at 40 but at least he keeps things Doomer Boards. Pleased to see this shitty post got ripped on in the other thread btw, keep it up boys.
NOW you may be asking, what's the problem with the Longhouse? Well obviously men don't really want to relate to each other in a feminine way, and Doom fans are basically all men (even the 'women'), and in fact as far as I know this forum was founded explicitly in order to bypass the Longhousing of DW (after political, ie. conflict-prone, discussions were banned there. But @vordakk can correct me if I'm wrong). This implies that the members here are willing to tolerate, if not enjoy, more aggressive posting styles. There's also the fact that Longhouses fuckin suck, and nobody posts anything interesting because, well, you might get in trouble. DW is obviously inane as hell, but the worst Longhouse forum on the web (that I know about anyway) is probably RPG.net, which is a forum ostensibly for tabletop role-playing games like Dungeons & Dragons. Take a look at it's 'Infractions' forum, where naughty boys are told off, and tell me if you think it would be fun to post there. In conclusion, please don't Longhouse us 40. You claim to hate the standard of discussion on DW but you're moving to recreate the conditions there and the results are both inevitable and obvious. Not to mention the fact that DW already exists for people who like that. Antisocials need forums too :'(
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 20:07:51 GMT -5
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Post by kvsari on Mar 3, 2022 21:17:57 GMT -5
This is why I got a little worried when xeepeep didn't post for a while. Seeing him do his shitposts regularly gave me confidence that I could get along here without being banned for offending someone by accident. Also, a community does need some healthy raucous jostling and that by its nature that can get rough with (online at least) name calling and teasing. I am reminded poignantly of a comment made by Doomkid regarding multiplayer doom, I think... I'll need to look this up. He mentioned that there was huge amounts of fighting and argument and there was a major tamp down and bannings in response. This killed the online multiplayer community and it has never recovered. I'll see if I can find the post... I don't want that to happen here. I therefore accept the existence of argument and in fact look to it as a sign of health. EDIT: I found the post. Here's the link. Warning, DW.
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Post by Gokuma on Mar 3, 2022 22:28:05 GMT -5
Drugs not hugs. No wait, that's a bad idea. Winners don't use pharmaceuticals. Get out of the pedocrats' government schools. OK, that's better.
Never heard of the longhouses but see the concept being explained. Lighthouses are much better. Have a nice view of the ocean and chill. Fuck lockdowns.
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Post by 40oz on Mar 3, 2022 23:01:13 GMT -5
Sorry I didn't mean to suggest that any of you have rotting brains. You don't. The message is that being around as much negative energy as I was seeing at that time I made quoted thread is enough to do noticeable psychological damage. Reading some of the mean-spirited posts between members here is depressing.
I'm seeing members that are, very noticeably, (at least in my perception) in distress -- and understandably so. There are a lot of things going on in the world that are volatile stressors. It means a lot to me that people use this forum to vent these feelings out, a forum is useful for that and it's good to know people are using it to give themselves a little release when they likely feel invisible in their real lives. I know for some people it helps a lot to know youre being heard.
But it does often demand that youre being heard and comiserated with by someone with some reasonable concern for the person's well-being.
At least recently, I've not been as available to respond to people when they might need it due to real life circumstances that I'm really not interested in getting into right now. I'd prefer not to think about rn if you'd let me. But for some members that post more often than others, the goto response for those members here are to invalidate other members' reactions to things that feel very real and personal to them, prodding them to feel worse about it.
I'm not about to stand by and watch members of my own community wage psychological warfare on each other for teh lulz. I love doom and I love mappers and I love the community that you guys built here. It hurts to watch you guys hurt each other. There's a lot of cool shit that comes out this forum and you should uplift each other for that.
I can see people's hurt in the way they write their posts here, but it's impossible to know what it feels like for people who view this forum and aren't registered and making posts. Some people simply are not very articulate but their feelings are just as important as anyone else's. If there are people who have things to say and don't feel comfortable enough to say it without a doomer boards elite squad ripping them a new one and invalidating their feelings.
For some people, doomworld has already failed them. It's large and bustling and it's hard to get noticed. It's got strict rules, and some trolls that have it in with the dw administration are free to run amok, gaslighting hurt people with their noble cause. Doomworld already just straight-up bans people, point-blank, because they don't like their personality. Not even with a second thought for how those actions effect their mental condition whatsoever. People are treated like they are expendable.
I don't like you... POOF you're gone!
That's fucked, man. For some people, Doom is their everything, and not being allowed to participate in the community with internet strangers that share your interest because the doomworld mods don't like you existing where they can see it is fucked. Which is probably why a lot of headcases end up here. Doom is a weird game and it attracts weirdos like you and me. What can I say?
The recent forum growth is jarring, and while I appreciate the activity, I really have a problem with those who want to use their posting to exclude other people out of it. Political bias or not, harassing other members of this forum is doing that, and I have a problem with that. Your enemies are not each other. If you're on this forum its because you like Doom first, and we have to meet in the middle at that base line.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 23:52:46 GMT -5
My disapproval of 40oz's policies comes not from seeing Longhouse as a feminine thing, but as a covert op to brainwash us to "act woke or suffer". I believe that the removal of recent anti-doomworld thread is, in essence, smothering all members by promoting woke ideology under a veil of "members not harassing each other". In other worlds, I believe that 40oz's political bias affects his actions as an administrator, and that he uses cunning to deceive us into believeing "this is basic human decency" rather than "woke policy". Simply: loss of trust. It should be noted that I don't approve the derogatory portrayal of women in the OP. Empathy is a valuable thing, and woman are, statistically, better at it than men. There are certainly abilities men could and should learn from women. My approach to that would be way different from tearing down male psychic with a so-called "toxic masculinity" though. The development of empathy would go a long way to counter the toxicity. Also a lot of real toxicity is not a gender-specific or sex-specific thing, but common errors in human behavior, like hubris and self-righteousness. 40oz would be full of it, and by the way, my conflict with him only amplified and reenforced the worst part of him, which might affect his life negatively (especially seeing as he might not recognise it as such, because it makes him feel "powerful" and "a pillar this entire community stands on").
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 0:04:44 GMT -5
It should also be noted that my distress is persistent and comes not from debates, but rather the state of the world and the fact that it is also reflected here, on these boards. I want to escape longhouse both of Russian traditionalism and Western multi-cultural society, to have an area where I can speak what I truly think without consequences such as prison, loss of job or whatever. However, thanks for defining the term that sorts both 'woke' and 'traditionalism' into one basket, dmdr.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 0:23:09 GMT -5
Well, disregard my above posts, I didn't read OP attentively enough because I thought "wtf" for most of it.
On a re-reading of the original post, I see that my distress has nothing to do with 'Longhouse'. It is not the "conflict avoidant" mentality that I hate here, but being silenced, forced to conjure an entire false identity in order to remain in society, and keep this identity at all times when interacting with all people.
I did my share to solve conflicts on these boards in the past in what you could see as a "feminine" way, the feminine tone being obvious in the kind of posts I made. I don't see it as wrong.
But the actions of 40oz are not really about conflict suppressing in my view. They are about suppressing the voice of people on the forums.
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Post by 40oz on Mar 4, 2022 0:32:31 GMT -5
in what ways do you feel like youre not at liberty to be your authentic self?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 1:15:33 GMT -5
In the way you reacted when I shed light on some of my real live activity in "dear god, please help me hate white people" thread (culminating in my ban), the way you dealt with "word 'rape' in obituary when killed by monster" issue, the way you removed thread about doomworld, and implicit threat of being banned for "not enough doom activity".
There is a lot of what I want to talk about but can't dare to. My life circumstances are also that there is a lot I can't talk about (even if you permitted to) unless I want to end like Chelsea Manning, so being unable to say those things I could afford to say is imposing a lot of strain on me. Did you know I wasn't even sure if I could post "god bless me with infamy" and get away with it? The way you act these days one could expect it deleted after being post.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 3:03:07 GMT -5
Dickbutt, lol.
Just enjoy the world before the Doomsday come, judging by recent events it will come soon enough.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 3:50:17 GMT -5
So some of you nerds may be a bit confused about the recent conflict between the forum administration and certain users (by which I mean 40oz and @vigilantdoomer obvs), as well as 40's recent imprecations to 'love' one another or w/e. What's going on is essentially a battle between the pro- and anti-Longhouse elements of the community (I am part of the latter btw, so yes you can reasonably criticise me for bias). So, most of you are probably asking, what's a Longhouse and why are you capitalising it like some pompous fuckin German? Well, first of all it's a proper noun so I can capitalise it if I want, but mostly to distinguish it from traditional Scandinavian architecture. The Longhouse is basically feminine social control. I'll let the Eighth Century Woodchipper explain further: We can quibble about the historicity of his description of life in pre-Aryan Europe (which, to me, frankly reeks of 60s anthropology, and as such is probably fake and gay), and tbh I think the Longhouse is more a product of feminised, ie. maladjusted, men (hi 40!) rather than women, but the last few sentences do describe a mode of social control quite well, which is basically the creed of never ever arguing and always 'getting along'. This is primarily a feminine thing and is rooted in the fact that chicks tend to stay mad after fighting with someone, whereas dudes usually make up pretty quickly (as the linked article mentions in passing, this is also observably true for chimpanzees) -- thus we can reasonably expect women and feminised men to smother all conflict before it starts in order to prevent hard feelings/the loss of social cohesion in the future, using primarily feminine means, which in this context basically means shaming people -- if you don't know, 'shame' is when you are conscious of your social group's disapproval; this is distinct from 'guilt', which is what you feel when you know you've done something wrong regardless of whether anybody else knows about it (so it's possible to feel shame when you haven't actually done anything wrong, if you are surrounded by tards with shitty social norms. I got paid out once in high school for not shoplifting, for example). (digression about the role of shame follows)
I will add that shame isn't necessarily bad -- I work for a book wholesaler and one of the books we had through recently was Diagnosis Normal by Emma A Jane, a memoir by a severely depressed feminist who was molested as a child (but I repeat myself). She describes being 'slut-shamed' as a teenager by her peers while simultaneously admitting that her actions were, um, unhelpful for her own well-being; so she herself tacitly admits that if she'd listened to her classmates and engaged in healthier, ie. more monogamous, sexual behaviour she would have been better off. Hence why it's important not to associate with dipshits! Im giving every one of you a free hug. A lot of you seem to be seriously attention deprived and acting really fucking ugly towards one another. Its really gross and it looks like your lives are turning into a preventable tornado of anxiety and brain rot. Break the cycle and start saying nice things about each other. Now. You guys all like doom and you need to be grateful that you can be around people who also like this shitty game with you. If you dont have your people to talk about Doom with, where else are you gonna go? Instead i see you guys talking only about things you disagree with each other about and getting roped into these miserable arguments. There has to be something you like about being here. Please think about it carefully and take the initiative to make this place better for the other members youre sharing this community with. I really dont want to have to be your dad right now but I love you guys and I just could use a little less dissappointment right now if you dont mind. Note the bolded parts (emphasis mine) are basically all referring to the way others perceive us; it 'looks like' we have brain rot, he's disappointed with us. The proposed solution is also to smother conflict by being nice regardless of whether or not we mean it -- '[Say] nice things about each other'. I gather he deleted the Doomworld thread too (vigi seemed upset about it in the other thread)? I haven't been doing doom stuff recently so I haven't been on the forum for a while, mostly just dropped by to see what the resident slavs have to say about the recent invasion of the Ukraine by Russia tbh. In any case it's another good example of conflict smothering by removing a potential flashpoint. NOW I don't want to single 40 out since he isn't the only soyboy here, and in fact for my money @pistoolkip is even worse! Here's a sample, from the 'One Humanity' thread (I cut out his playthrough video as irrelevant, you can follow the link if you'd like to watch it): Damn, this thread does not make this community look good, let me tell you. You don't have to play it. You don't have to give Romero your money. You can donate through other channels. Just don't be a bitch about it. Don't really need to emphasise anything here since the whole thing is pure Longhouse, starting with an explicit appeal to the feelings of other communities before culminating in an explicit demand for us not to criticise people who aren't even on this forum! I may have had a go at 40 but at least he keeps things Doomer Boards. Pleased to see this shitty post got ripped on in the other thread btw, keep it up boys.
NOW you may be asking, what's the problem with the Longhouse? Well obviously men don't really want to relate to each other in a feminine way, and Doom fans are basically all men (even the 'women'), and in fact as far as I know this forum was founded explicitly in order to bypass the Longhousing of DW (after political, ie. conflict-prone, discussions were banned there. But @vordakk can correct me if I'm wrong). This implies that the members here are willing to tolerate, if not enjoy, more aggressive posting styles. There's also the fact that Longhouses fuckin suck, and nobody posts anything interesting because, well, you might get in trouble. DW is obviously inane as hell, but the worst Longhouse forum on the web (that I know about anyway) is probably RPG.net, which is a forum ostensibly for tabletop role-playing games like Dungeons & Dragons. Take a look at it's 'Infractions' forum, where naughty boys are told off, and tell me if you think it would be fun to post there. In conclusion, please don't Longhouse us 40. You claim to hate the standard of discussion on DW but you're moving to recreate the conditions there and the results are both inevitable and obvious. Not to mention the fact that DW already exists for people who like that. Antisocials need forums too :'(
So, blatant sexism and gatekeeping aside, what you're trying to say is: You want this community to be open-minded and inclusive, but my opposing opinion and care for the public image of this community, are a threat to said community?
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Post by xeepeep on Mar 4, 2022 6:18:17 GMT -5
Damn you guys are whiny lol Really, why can't we all just be assholes to each other? Surely that will result in a friendly and pleasant forum environment. Stupid 1984 libtard 40oz smh. Every single community of people is a "Longhouse" if you look at it like that. A lot of posts here are people just being asses because that's apparently all they want to do. Any IRL group or community would've ostracised such antisocial elements long ago. Not talking about anyone specific yet. Now, talking about someone specific, personally I think this forum would become far better if vigilantdoomer got banned, and maybe m*******d********* too but that's not that necessary. Dude says that he hates this forum in every post he makes, so I really don't understand why is 40oz forcing him at gunpoint to post every day. Let the poor dude just delete his account, man His larping about his life being in danger because he hates black people got really old a long tome ago, too. Thankfully y'all still got me to keep the average post quality at an acceptable level.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 9:35:34 GMT -5
@pistoolkip, this community is not about inclusiveness and care for public image, it is about freedom of speech. As long as one plays doom, they should be allowed to speak any kind of opinion and espouse any kind of political views here and elsewhere, without getting banned here. Also, no, your words are not a threat. It's some of 40oz actions - such as removing that thread about doomworld or banning users for speaking things making other uncomfortable - that are a threat. Honestly, though, other people don't seem to mind those actions, believeing that freedom of speech is still intact here or (the other I can agree too) better than elsewhere. But I do see a trend towards becoming just another Doomworld, and I believe it is necessary to rollback some of 40oz decisions to avoid going that way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 9:46:28 GMT -5
Also, because of war and the circumstances I am in, this is the last time I spoke about this issue. I leave it to the rest of members here to defend "freedom of speech". So, if you don't care anymore, you will just live and see for yourselves what kind of community these boards become. I don't want to spend any more of my energy debating 40oz decisions - I need it elsewhere.
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Post by 40oz on Mar 4, 2022 13:01:58 GMT -5
if anyone wants to step in for vigilantdoomer and do an extensive examination of everything Im doing down to every last insignificant breath, be my guest. I'll be happy to answer any questions or add clarification where needed.
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Post by olderthanthehills on Mar 6, 2022 23:35:35 GMT -5
So some of you nerds may be a bit confused about the recent conflict between the forum administration and certain users (by which I mean 40oz and @vigilantdoomer obvs), as well as 40's recent imprecations to 'love' one another or w/e. What's going on is essentially a battle between the pro- and anti-Longhouse elements of the community (I am part of the latter btw, so yes you can reasonably criticise me for bias). So, most of you are probably asking, what's a Longhouse and why are you capitalising it like some pompous fuckin German? Well, first of all it's a proper noun so I can capitalise it if I want, but mostly to distinguish it from traditional Scandinavian architecture. The Longhouse is basically feminine social control. I'll let the Eighth Century Woodchipper explain further: We can quibble about the historicity of his description of life in pre-Aryan Europe (which, to me, frankly reeks of 60s anthropology, and as such is probably fake and gay), and tbh I think the Longhouse is more a product of feminised, ie. maladjusted, men (hi 40!) rather than women, but the last few sentences do describe a mode of social control quite well, which is basically the creed of never ever arguing and always 'getting along'. This is primarily a feminine thing and is rooted in the fact that chicks tend to stay mad after fighting with someone, whereas dudes usually make up pretty quickly (as the linked article mentions in passing, this is also observably true for chimpanzees) -- thus we can reasonably expect women and feminised men to smother all conflict before it starts in order to prevent hard feelings/the loss of social cohesion in the future, using primarily feminine means, which in this context basically means shaming people -- if you don't know, 'shame' is when you are conscious of your social group's disapproval; this is distinct from 'guilt', which is what you feel when you know you've done something wrong regardless of whether anybody else knows about it (so it's possible to feel shame when you haven't actually done anything wrong, if you are surrounded by tards with shitty social norms. I got paid out once in high school for not shoplifting, for example). (digression about the role of shame follows)
I will add that shame isn't necessarily bad -- I work for a book wholesaler and one of the books we had through recently was Diagnosis Normal by Emma A Jane, a memoir by a severely depressed feminist who was molested as a child (but I repeat myself). She describes being 'slut-shamed' as a teenager by her peers while simultaneously admitting that her actions were, um, unhelpful for her own well-being; so she herself tacitly admits that if she'd listened to her classmates and engaged in healthier, ie. more monogamous, sexual behaviour she would have been better off. Hence why it's important not to associate with dipshits! Im giving every one of you a free hug. A lot of you seem to be seriously attention deprived and acting really fucking ugly towards one another. Its really gross and it looks like your lives are turning into a preventable tornado of anxiety and brain rot. Break the cycle and start saying nice things about each other. Now. You guys all like doom and you need to be grateful that you can be around people who also like this shitty game with you. If you dont have your people to talk about Doom with, where else are you gonna go? Instead i see you guys talking only about things you disagree with each other about and getting roped into these miserable arguments. There has to be something you like about being here. Please think about it carefully and take the initiative to make this place better for the other members youre sharing this community with. I really dont want to have to be your dad right now but I love you guys and I just could use a little less dissappointment right now if you dont mind. Note the bolded parts (emphasis mine) are basically all referring to the way others perceive us; it 'looks like' we have brain rot, he's disappointed with us. The proposed solution is also to smother conflict by being nice regardless of whether or not we mean it -- '[Say] nice things about each other'. I gather he deleted the Doomworld thread too (vigi seemed upset about it in the other thread)? I haven't been doing doom stuff recently so I haven't been on the forum for a while, mostly just dropped by to see what the resident slavs have to say about the recent invasion of the Ukraine by Russia tbh. In any case it's another good example of conflict smothering by removing a potential flashpoint. NOW I don't want to single 40 out since he isn't the only soyboy here, and in fact for my money @pistoolkip is even worse! Here's a sample, from the 'One Humanity' thread (I cut out his playthrough video as irrelevant, you can follow the link if you'd like to watch it): Damn, this thread does not make this community look good, let me tell you. You don't have to play it. You don't have to give Romero your money. You can donate through other channels. Just don't be a bitch about it. Don't really need to emphasise anything here since the whole thing is pure Longhouse, starting with an explicit appeal to the feelings of other communities before culminating in an explicit demand for us not to criticise people who aren't even on this forum! I may have had a go at 40 but at least he keeps things Doomer Boards. Pleased to see this shitty post got ripped on in the other thread btw, keep it up boys.
NOW you may be asking, what's the problem with the Longhouse? Well obviously men don't really want to relate to each other in a feminine way, and Doom fans are basically all men (even the 'women'), and in fact as far as I know this forum was founded explicitly in order to bypass the Longhousing of DW (after political, ie. conflict-prone, discussions were banned there. But @vordakk can correct me if I'm wrong). This implies that the members here are willing to tolerate, if not enjoy, more aggressive posting styles. There's also the fact that Longhouses fuckin suck, and nobody posts anything interesting because, well, you might get in trouble. DW is obviously inane as hell, but the worst Longhouse forum on the web (that I know about anyway) is probably RPG.net, which is a forum ostensibly for tabletop role-playing games like Dungeons & Dragons. Take a look at it's 'Infractions' forum, where naughty boys are told off, and tell me if you think it would be fun to post there. In conclusion, please don't Longhouse us 40. You claim to hate the standard of discussion on DW but you're moving to recreate the conditions there and the results are both inevitable and obvious. Not to mention the fact that DW already exists for people who like that. Antisocials need forums too :'(
Waouh, négro! Tu t'attends vraiment à ce que je lise... Toute cette merde par toi?
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Post by optimus on Mar 7, 2022 5:57:37 GMT -5
Considering the woman-empathy discussion, I am not able to see it. I think it's a stereotype that women have more empathy than men but I can't see any real proof of it. Unless empathy is the overemotional expression of caring, which to me always felt like a socialization behaviour. But then it doesn't look to me like real empathy. For example, the virtue signalling seems more like a "show off that we care ego boost" to me. Also, extreme "empathy" (people also use the word compassion, but I am not sure what the difference between them, they are all so vaguely defined) lead to phenomena like demonizing the other as "toxic". Now, I remember Jordan Peterson would agree that "women have more empathy" but would explain the nastiness of people wanting to cancel others as empathy going too far. He would describe it as the overprotective mother, or if you go to the woods and go close to a bear mother protecting her children, you will be attacked. That would assume there is genuine empathy beforehand. This is one thing I cannot see though. It always seem social, it always seem that overemotion of caring is a social signal of how one is so good person he cares so much. He is ready to attack the enemies for "empathy".
I have trouble with that, I haven't answer what it is but it seems to me the people (not just women) don't really care. Or there is some kind of selective empathy ("We care for Women, LGBT but never thought of the mostly male soldiers in the wars, these have toxic masculinity" kind of thing) which might be however group belonging ("I belong to the group that cares about certain categories of people, but demonize others. I must be a beautiful loving person!"
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Post by xeepeep on Mar 7, 2022 8:15:49 GMT -5
> quotes the entirety of a long post > posts three sentences of his own > not even in English
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 8:26:40 GMT -5
> quotes the entirety of a long post > posts three sentences of his own > not even in English Fucking based You forgot "uses the n-word".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 8:53:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 9:33:26 GMT -5
optimus, it's pitiful you never got a sense of empathy when interacting with women. But no, I didn't mean "empathy" as being "moral" or "compassionate". In fact, empathy can be used as a double-edged sword, to peek into mind of another person, also using it against the opponent would require nurturing the ability to act according to consequences rather than emotions (since the latter are replaced with that of that person at that moment). Think of empathy as a cognitive, rather than expressive, ability. It is true that empathy can be selectively suppressed, including by indoctrination (also self-indoctrination, in case of LGBTQ+/woke activism). Also people in power position for long time might have decreased overall ability at empathy, as they rely on other obeying and never need a compromise (or to use guile) to win anymore. In LGBTQ+ community, I was able to both observe the fact that lesbians are no less empathetic than cisgender women (and far better than men), but that doesn't seem to apply to activism, when they act on political motivation rather than on empathy. I was able to get all sort of support when I got kicked out of the house, for example, which was rather a personal thing. But trying to convince that transgender people with mental stigma attached to them (often erroneously and as means to oppress, rather than actual mental condition) are worth defending proved to be impossible as the political agenda was (apparently) based on representability and public image rather than actually helping people who come into community.
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Post by optimus on Mar 8, 2022 2:43:37 GMT -5
optimus , it's pitiful you never got a sense of empathy when interacting with women. But no, I didn't mean "empathy" as being "moral" or "compassionate". In fact, empathy can be used as a double-edged sword, to peek into mind of another person, also using it against the opponent would require nurturing the ability to act according to consequences rather than emotions (since the latter are replaced with that of that person at that moment). Think of empathy as a cognitive, rather than expressive, ability. It is true that empathy can be selectively suppressed, including by indoctrination (also self-indoctrination, in case of LGBTQ+/woke activism). Also people in power position for long time might have decreased overall ability at empathy, as they rely on other obeying and never need a compromise (or to use guile) to win anymore. In LGBTQ+ community, I was able to both observe the fact that lesbians are no less empathetic than cisgender women (and far better than men), but that doesn't seem to apply to activism, when they act on political motivation rather than on empathy. I was able to get all sort of support when I got kicked out of the house, for example, which was rather a personal thing. But trying to convince that transgender people with mental stigma attached to them (often erroneously and as means to oppress, rather than actual mental condition) are worth defending proved to be impossible as the political agenda was (apparently) based on representability and public image rather than actually helping people who come into community. Just to mention here to not be misunderstood, when I say I can't see empathy in women, I mean I can't see the myth of empathy attributed to women compared to men. So, I don't say they are the opposite of empathy, I am not speaking this in the negative, just notice the absence of a greater quality. So, in my experience most people, regardless if it's men or women, seem kinda similar in empathy, maybe women express it more while men want to act with practical solutions instead of socializing about it. But that's my experience, and experiences might differ.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2022 8:42:15 GMT -5
Your experience is indeed quite different from mine. Anyway, the key points I wanted to express are: 1. I indeed perceive some actions made by staff of this forum as problematic. 2. I don't relate to how dmdr portrayed my motivation for opposing 40oz. I also have female peers in real life that I like to confide in more than my male peers. 3. My criticism of admins actions stems from recognising the importance of free speech, and the right to be forgiven for one's words. I will allow other people to say words that hurt me and forgive them so that on the one occassion I need their forgivance I have it - that's my basis for free speech. 4. I also strongly oppose users being burdened with presenting "a good image" of a forum to outsiders. The forum exists for users first and foremost, free speech of forum members is more important than so-called image of the forum. This doesn't mean that we need to provoke each other, but we certainly have no responsibility towards how the outsiders feel about our posts, etc. 5. United opposition to outside forums with different policies is actually a good thing. It is acceptable for doomer boards members to bond with each other and boost each other's morale by collectively expressing hatred towards morons on other forums. Such echo chambers have the healing capacity on one's psyche.
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Post by mobius on Mar 8, 2022 17:04:16 GMT -5
To be fair: Doom has always had its fair share of pussies and soylent men especially in MP. You even so much as confront someone and there's immediately SOMEONE there to attempt to derail or cry "TAKE IT TO PM!!" despite some issues being public ones. I don't know if it's a Long-House policy so much as many people on the internet live sheltered lives and are extremely conformist to the absolute point of neurosis. This is what happens when you live an entire life absent of true hardships, struggle, and challenges of any kind. There also exist people who project onto you themselves so profoundly that they can only relate to someone's motivations from the lens of themselves. This one I often encounter with people with extreme signs of narcissism who insist I am either somewhat like them or operate on some mechanism that only they can relate to or see.
Anyone else who feels even slightly offended by OP's example is a pussy and I won't make any qualms about it. You can say he's wrong, but there's no reason to be emotionally charged like a women. Yes. I said something sexist.
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