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Post by Doomguy 2000 on Feb 3, 2022 22:53:50 GMT -5
swanfoxguy besides the bad faith, what was the reason you named folders after slurs and actors using the N word? Saying "just because I can" isn't a valid answer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 23:59:03 GMT -5
We shouldn't give a fuck about that Doomworld, Zdoom or random bystanders may read something here and feel bad about themselves. Actually, if it makes them feel bad, all the better. Thats not your decision to make. I'm the administrator of this forum and my mission is to make this a forum about Doom that serves doom fans in the ways that other doom communities do not. You can technically make any decisions of course, but not all of your decisions will be seen as morally acceptable. Thanks for stating your "mission" in the clear. The use of "we" - when I do it - indicates the degree of my confidence that expressed opinion is not just mine. I have used it in the past, I will use it again. I remain convinced that this place exists to allow people to express opinions that can be seen as insensitive, offensitive, hurting other people's sensibilities. I remain convinced that I am not the only person who sees things this way, and I remain convinced that any attempts of you to redefine doomer boards purpose away from allowing to say hurtful things must be met with resistance. In any case, I won't allow you to deceive anyone and state that the decisions you make as administator is how things must be. Should you continue to make decisions this way, I hope someone creates a new doom forum where decision making is more reasonable, and doesn't shutdown discussions for making someone feel bad.
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Post by swanfoxguy on Feb 4, 2022 2:19:27 GMT -5
swanfoxguy besides the bad faith, what was the reason you named folders after slurs and actors using the N word? Saying "just because I can" isn't a valid answer. I lacked clever writing and subtilities about my way of writing for the making of Angry Anna - Halloween Quest 2, beside those, I exagerated because of all actual political dramas happenned in the USA (BLM, LGBTQ-Pedo and more leftism bullshit) while the COVID19 is still arround. Maybe I could make the ZDOOM folks guessing the reference rather than make them nuts directly.
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Post by ketmar on Feb 4, 2022 5:48:01 GMT -5
Saying "just because I can" isn't a valid answer. why? it is a perfectly valid reason. and btw. i played Anna mod, and i didn't knew about namings until now (or simply immediately forgot, i don't remember). i mean, did those people even tried to play the thing, or they did immediately started to "dig" to find something they can use to be offended? oh, shit… now i'm fully participating in drama thread. have to… have to… ah, fuck it, Let's Get Dangerous!
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Post by 40oz on Feb 4, 2022 7:16:20 GMT -5
You can technically make any decisions of course, but not all of your decisions will be seen as morally acceptable. Thanks for stating your "mission" in the clear. The use of "we" - when I do it - indicates the degree of my confidence that expressed opinion is not just mine. I have used it in the past, I will use it again. I remain convinced that this place exists to allow people to express opinions that can be seen as insensitive, offensitive, hurting other people's sensibilities. I remain convinced that I am not the only person who sees things this way, and I remain convinced that any attempts of you to redefine doomer boards purpose away from allowing to say hurtful things must be met with resistance. In any case, I won't allow you to deceive anyone and state that the decisions you make as administator is how things must be. Should you continue to make decisions this way, I hope someone creates a new doom forum where decision making is more reasonable, and doesn't shutdown discussions for making someone feel bad. You are allowed to smear feces all over you face if you so choose too, and its no ones prerogative to enforce that you cannot do that. Thats your choice to make. if you want your own forum specifically about shouting hurtful things into the void, be my guest. There are websites that give you the tools to do that. See for yourself how attractive it is. This forum is about Doom. Im not here to trick people into thinking this is a forum about doom until they read that this is actually a forum about making people feel like shit. It doesnt serve my purpose is serving doom fans to lure them in here thinking this is a doom forum and then have to be treated like their existence is inferior to others. It doesn't matter to me how badly you want the forum to be about that, im not going to join you on your quest to do that to this forum and youll get resistance at every step you take.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 7:25:02 GMT -5
This forum has always had a "wild west" identity - one only needs to do a search on the many flame wars in off-topic forum, and the countless discussions on doomworld happenings (there was also a thread labelled "doom community happenings").
So I'm not trying to convert it, it is you who is trying to interfere with the forum's purpose.
P.S. It would have been better if you didn't pursue any missions, btw, on this forum or otherwise. The world is made a worse place by people with this exact attitude as yours.
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Post by TheFantasticFungiFan on Feb 4, 2022 7:39:05 GMT -5
Wanting more threads about DOOM is understandable, but that's the problem - it's not that there is too much arguing/talk about politics - it's just that there isn't enough content about DOOM as you'd like to see. I think both can exist at the same time, and that can be achieved by creating more threads about DOOM. You're the moderator, you can encourage people to talk about the game by initiating conversations, and I'm sure nobody would have a problem with it. But even as an outsider, I can tell you that even I know you aren't going to stop people from discussing the things that they've been coming here so long to discuss. The forum already has its own identity to the people who visit here.
Just my observation, take it with a grain of salt since we all know I've been prone to flip-flopping ideas in the past.
Also, just as advice, anyone can create a proboards forum or a forum elsewhere. There usually isn't much technical knowledge required. I believe deathclaw877 created on a while back.
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Post by ketmar on Feb 4, 2022 8:53:56 GMT -5
You're the moderator, you can encourage people to talk about the game by initiating conversations and that's what 40oz is doing quite often. ;-)
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Post by TheFantasticFungiFan on Feb 4, 2022 9:08:03 GMT -5
You're the moderator, you can encourage people to talk about the game by initiating conversations and that's what 40oz is doing quite often. ;-) It's hard for me to tell. I'm using the mobile version of the website, which doesn't say who created what thread. I have to open each individual thread in order to find out lol. I have trouble with a lot of things here on mobile, but that's not anyone's fault.
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Post by 40oz on Feb 4, 2022 9:36:32 GMT -5
TheFantasticFungiFan In the bottom right corner of the home page, there's an option to switch to desktop which gives you a some extra features. Your phone browser should have an option to view it in desktop mode as well. The mobile version is trash and proboards doesn't let me change any of it other than the font and background colors. You might have to zoom in a little to read the text better but IMO its a small price to pay
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Post by 40oz on Feb 4, 2022 10:09:23 GMT -5
It would have been better if you didn't pursue any missions, btw, on this forum or otherwise. The world is made a worse place by people with this exact attitude as yours. I can say with total conviction that this is demonstrably untrue. There were many times during the early years where this place was a ghost town unless I was carrying the conversations. I was concurrently being told that this place was neo-nazi thinktank, that i was actively driving people away, that I don't listen, that I don't care, etc. I've heard enough of people trying to break me down, and when I don't fold to those people, the doomer boards community thrives. You have a community of people here you can talk to. When you write your posts they get read by people who travel this place regularly. It didn't come from me taking the administrator keys and not giving a shit about what happens here. It takes regular maintenance, regular actions. If I leave this forum to die, it will die.
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Post by TheFantasticFungiFan on Feb 4, 2022 10:33:14 GMT -5
TheFantasticFungiFan In the bottom right corner of the home page, there's an option to switch to desktop which gives you a some extra features. Your phone browser should have an option to view it in desktop mode as well. The mobile version is trash and proboards doesn't let me change any of it other than the font and background colors. You might have to zoom in a little to read the text better but IMO its a small price to pay That's what I forgot to add - my phone is old and crusty. Whenever I switch to desktop mode, my phone won't let me zoom in at all. No worries though, and I appreciate you trying to help.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 11:19:34 GMT -5
It would have been better if you didn't pursue any missions, btw, on this forum or otherwise. The world is made a worse place by people with this exact attitude as yours. I can say with total conviction that this is demonstrably untrue. There were many times during the early years where this place was a ghost town unless I was carrying the conversations. I was concurrently being told that this place was neo-nazi thinktank, that i was actively driving people away, that I don't listen, that I don't care, etc. I've heard enough of people trying to break me down, and when I don't fold to those people, the doomer boards community thrives. You have a community of people here you can talk to. When you write your posts they get read by people who travel this place regularly. It didn't come from me taking the administrator keys and not giving a shit about what happens here. It takes regular maintenance, regular actions. If I leave this forum to die, it will die. Easily debunked - the forum strived in your absence when you left without notice. Would still be striving with DBkrew heralding it instead of you.
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Feb 4, 2022 11:27:37 GMT -5
This might be the most schizo vigilantdoomer take yet. I have a feeling medication is not being taken.
This forum would've been dead for years, had 40 not taken it from Kontra Kommando back in uhhhhh 2017?
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Post by dn on Feb 4, 2022 11:44:37 GMT -5
Easily debunked - the forum strived in your absence when you left without notice. Would still be striving with DBkrew heralding it instead of you. lol nope. Members were leaving with no replacements for a solid year. Activity from individual posters was barely up, if not static, but frankly it was a lot of screaming into the void. I'm not seeing why there is this recurrent motif of "everything would be better with someone else at the helm" that I keep on seeing from you. Just because you disagree with someone on a personal or ideological level doesn't mean that person is not a competent administrator, or that the evil left-wing infiltrators are secretly hiding soy in your fucking delicious Hitlerboards™ brand cornflakes.
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Post by 40oz on Feb 4, 2022 12:07:57 GMT -5
Easily debunked - the forum strived in your absence when you left without notice. Would still be striving with DBkrew heralding it instead of you. a hypothesis that has no data and hasn't been tested is not a debunk.
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Post by 40oz on Feb 4, 2022 12:52:33 GMT -5
This might be the most schizo vigilantdoomer take yet. I have a feeling medication is not being taken. Can you stop that? Schizophrenia is real, its not a name or an adjective. Some people do have to take medications, and it's also not unusual for people to be erroneously prescribed medications that don't work or make their mental state worse. If you need to criticize the statement, sure. But not the people who have to live in those conditions.
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Post by joe-ilya on Feb 4, 2022 13:16:08 GMT -5
Easily debunked - the forum strived in your absence when you left without notice. Would still be striving with DBkrew heralding it instead of you. a hypothesis that has no data and hasn't been tested is not a debunk. Not to mention new people are coming at the same pace as before.
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Post by Doomguy 2000 on Feb 4, 2022 15:55:40 GMT -5
and btw. i played Anna mod, and i didn't knew about namings until now (or simply immediately forgot, i don't remember). i mean, did those people even tried to play the thing, or they did immediately started to "dig" to find something they can use to be offended? Or if they didn't want people digging up stuff then maybe he shouldn't have put those things (Folders named after slurs, actors name with the N word etc.) in the first place within his own wads. Even the ZDoom forum rules is against this kind of stuff if he bothered to read them in the first place. They had no problem with his wads because they weren't political and weren't exceptionally bad by their standards. It was when he decided to be political that they had a problem with them and decided to look inside his wads. Our staff will refuse to stand for anything with severe sexist, racist, homophobic, or otherwise prejudiced connotations, including epithets, hurtful stereotypes, or references to genocidal movements. Or if he wanted to still be apart of the discord server, was to not do what I mentioned above and not post his political wad on the forums in the first place.
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Post by TheFantasticFungiFan on Feb 4, 2022 16:09:34 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, if using the N-word for the name of an actor is "severe" racism, what are some milder examples?
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Post by joe-ilya on Feb 4, 2022 16:28:31 GMT -5
You can't just be "mildly" racist, what the fuck is wrong with you?
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Post by Doomguy 2000 on Feb 4, 2022 16:33:08 GMT -5
I have no idea, I was just quoting part of the forum rules and using what the OP has put into his code as example so I don't know any examples that are mild.
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Post by TheFantasticFungiFan on Feb 4, 2022 16:50:51 GMT -5
Their rules imply that they will accept racist/sexist/homophobic content as long as it doesn't reach a certain level of severity. I'd like to see some wads that were deemed acceptably racist by their standards. What kind of system do they use to measure -isms?
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Feb 4, 2022 17:10:28 GMT -5
You can't just be "mildly" racist, what the fuck is wrong with you? We're witnessing the joe-ilya redemption arc You're too thoughtful man. I'll stop if it bothers you.
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Post by swanfoxguy on Feb 4, 2022 18:02:31 GMT -5
and btw. i played Anna mod, and i didn't knew about namings until now (or simply immediately forgot, i don't remember). i mean, did those people even tried to play the thing, or they did immediately started to "dig" to find something they can use to be offended? Or if they didn't want people digging up stuff then maybe he shouldn't have put those things (Folders named after slurs, actors name with the N word etc.) in the first place within his own wads. Even the ZDoom forum rules is against this kind of stuff if he bothered to read them in the first place. They had no problem with his wads because they weren't political and weren't exceptionally bad by their standards. It was when he decided to be political that they had a problem with them and decided to look inside his wads. Our staff will refuse to stand for anything with severe sexist, racist, homophobic, or otherwise prejudiced connotations, including epithets, hurtful stereotypes, or references to genocidal movements. Or if he wanted to still be apart of the discord server, was to not do what I mentioned above and not post his political wad on the forums in the first place. I had several choices to post somewhere else such as moddb or take the risk in the zdoom forum, I can tell you, they can censor but 0 shit given about request of delete some racist references. I mean, you want to make jokes or have fun on social justice nonsense without some karen asking you to delete something which it's part of your mod.
I honestly excepted some feedback good or bad but no, all I've got is a request to delete that part.
It's true that Angry Anna had some political connotations and mocks it as well like South Park, but the goal of this wad is to make people laugh while the world is going to shit.
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