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Post by ketmar on Sept 27, 2024 3:12:09 GMT -5
wow. i always enjoy reading ai rants. "oooh, AI will steal our jobs! we'll be fired!" which means that they're doing their work *worser* then AI could. but how dare you to think that replacing bad worker with better worker is a good thing to do!
also, rants about "AI learns on human-created things, and then reuse them" is fun too. as if like people don't do the same all the time. only most of people do it much worser than AI could, lol.
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Post by good-old on Sept 27, 2024 11:45:27 GMT -5
God-fucking-damn-it. I am ashamed to say that I was a member of the Doom community for so long.
I have played games that are more embarrassing to admit than this one. I'll just go ahead and tell you that I've wasted my time, perhaps hundreds of hours on a few of those pay2win mobile multiplayer games, such as Brawl Stars.
Another thing that makes it less embarrassing is the fact that I played those games back then cause I usually had nothing better to do during the hours I played those games, but Doom? Doom fell in the category of games that I played when I was completely free and actually wanted to do things meaningfully instead of wasting time, unlike those pay2win games.
To think that at a certain point of time I was active in a major forum and that my posts there are still visible... I mean everyone makes dumb decisions when they're young but why did I *have* to choose Doom of all games to be active in? There's so many other games with better communities. I'm glad I discovered this forum but I think getting into the Doom community was an overall negative for me.
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Post by Gokuma on Sept 27, 2024 13:01:45 GMT -5
Well good games attract lots of shitheads. Actions of retards and pedo-friendly scum are not mine. I'd be more embarrassed to involved with an embarrassing game.
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Post by deathevokation on Sept 27, 2024 13:31:48 GMT -5
wow. i always enjoy reading ai rants. "oooh, AI will steal our jobs! we'll be fired!" which means that they're doing their work *worser* then AI could. but how dare you to think that replacing bad worker with better worker is a good thing to do! I don't care about AI replacing the jobs in an industry as gatekept as the gaming industry tbh... in an industry where art can't be seperated from the artist there'd be no extra baggage with an AI taking the place of a human.. where actual HR managers talk on twitter about how much they hate gamers, atleast if an AI does this we can pretend there's a glitch or something lmao. On another level; some jobs need to get replaced by human guided AI, even if it's just to keep Americans from culturally appropriating Japanese, Chinese and Korean work then calling it "localization".. the abominations they've been getting away with are so bad. Their gatekeeping is now seeing the type of people that remove "unnecessary" romance between heterosexual couples in other people's works.. then they call the jrpg community "weebs" and accuse them of guarding the games from a "broader audience" for complaining. also; Captain Toenail is cool and I hope he's doing well.. I'm still jealous that I can't design maps with the same clear mind that he does. |
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Post by joe-ilya on Sept 27, 2024 14:54:50 GMT -5
Every point against AI I've seen is moot.
AI uses tons of resources - Other factories/facilities that are unrelated to AI have the same costs. I bet you would still want the food, electricity, and other necessities that comes from these places.
AI remixes other artist's works - This is happening all the time between humans. Ideas and art styles are reused and taken by each other artist all the time.
AI is not as good as real artists - What about the time an AI piece won an art contest between humans? It also happened vice versa in another contest. Both AI and real art can outdo each other.
AI takes very little time and is lazy - Not everyone is good at art or has much time or money. For some, this is the best they can do if they really need some art for their project.
AI is taking jobs - The people who's jobs AI has taken could've invested their time with learning to use it so they could keep their job.
AI is soulless - On its own yes. However, using it as a tool, and then doing your own reworks, touchups, and adjustments gives it a human touch and brings it to life.
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Post by liveprey87 on Sept 27, 2024 15:04:05 GMT -5
AI is for walking vaginas, real men use slave labor to create content for retards to cumsooohm Also if you use AI to pass it off as work of your own, you’re a flamer, and if you use AI to create content and expect anyone to give two fucks enough to play or use it, you’re a digital cuck. Chad creatives get the clicks, you get limp dick. Yeah, no. How so is it for walking vaginas? Please elaborate, Mr. Fuckwad. Why use slave labor when you can do IT YOURSELF, how about with other people, any way? Nice try with your insipid taunts, but you aren't convincing me to think like you at all, king of shitposts. 
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Post by camper on Sept 27, 2024 15:22:30 GMT -5
The people who's jobs AI has taken could've invested their time with learning to use it so they could keep their job. They could go to the countryside and start raising pigs, chickens and planting potatoes. |
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Post by trustanus on Sept 27, 2024 16:44:59 GMT -5
AI is for walking vaginas, real men use slave labor to create content for retards to cumsooohm Also if you use AI to pass it off as work of your own, you’re a flamer, and if you use AI to create content and expect anyone to give two fucks enough to play or use it, you’re a digital cuck. Chad creatives get the clicks, you get limp dick. Yeah, no. How so is it for walking vaginas? Please elaborate, Mr. Fuckwad. Why use slave labor when you can do IT YOURSELF, how about with other people, any way? Nice try with your insipid taunts, but you aren't convincing me to think like you at all, king of shitposts. View Attachment
Lay off the estrogen babe. It’s for walking vaginas because using AI is for people who belong on their knees sucking my dong. |
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Post by trustanus on Sept 27, 2024 16:55:34 GMT -5
Really though it’s kind of a gay post from DW in the first place. Captain Toenail writes a fucking mein kampf essay about being butthurt and everyone starts shit slinging and Doomworld equivalent of reddits karma farming comments folllow. It’s telling when two people can say the exact same thing but one of them gets 30+ likes because they’re a queer.
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Post by AskYourDrAboutUVFast on Sept 27, 2024 20:40:38 GMT -5
The thread isn't about AI, it's about the group negotiating their shared morality. Hence why dissent is punished with ridicule and shaming: it sends a message that if you challenge the group identity then you face the consequences. It's also why it quickly turns into a strawman attack on the "others": the social bonding exercise needs a clear us/them division so everyone can establish themselves on one side of the line or the other. If it were anything else the message would settle to "go off and build something cool, and worry less about what others do," but that doesn't happen. Very prescient JT. The thread even wrapped up nicely with a 'no further discussion tolerated, here is what the majority believes' being delivered from on high.
It does amuse me that they decided to build the groups consensus around Green Herring's post which starts out with the very bold claim that not only are there no valid arguments to support this type of AI usage, but that there could never be ANY conceivable argument in the future to challenge this seemingly infallible position. While I have no doubts about GH's orthodoxy on this matter, the sheer hubris is worth a chuckle, especially considering the justifications thereafter provided which even under a cursory glance, seem to be paper-thin.
For example, the first justification that GH puts forward is that AI uses too many resources like electricity and water, and then links to a Forbes' opinion piece which simply asserts this as fact. There isn't even a citation for the electricity claim in the article. A quick 30 seconds of Googling turned up this article from Ars Technica which at least points to a paper published in the peer-reviewed journal Joule. I skimmed through this quickly but what caught my eye is that even the dire future projections of AI power usage only place it at between 12-13% of the total power consumed by data centers, and that the reporting states that the majority of the power being drawn to these data-centers is going to support basic run-of-the-mill internet infrastructure (I think it would be interesting to find out what the breakdown is on this infrastructure but the journal is behind a paywall).
The first question which jumps forward in my mind after reading this is, that if we follow the logic of GH's justification that we ought reject this form of AI because the data-centers where it resides require massive amounts of resources to sustain themselves, then ought we not also reject the internet altogether if it requires a greater share, and perhaps even the majority share, of the same resources which power those data-centers?
I'd go through the rest of the justifications but its fucking friday and I'm ready to grill a steak and have a drink, so I'll cut it short and save some data-center resources for the AI bros. I think there are plenty of reasons to be wary of AI, but this is definitely one of the weaker cases I've seen. Good post noisy and JT. cheers
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2024 22:36:28 GMT -5
Indians are taking over Texas and they don't know how to drive...which makes me want work on mods instead of going outside.
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Post by ketmar on Sept 27, 2024 22:52:26 GMT -5
i don't know how to drive too. maybe i should consider moving to Texas.
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Post by joe-ilya on Sept 27, 2024 23:31:24 GMT -5
That's exactly what I said a couple posts above yours, BIZ.
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Post by nnn✓ork on Sept 28, 2024 0:40:19 GMT -5
I see a lot of people complaining about AI whose opinion about AI is formed mostly by AI and have trained their own respective minds to be feel and express themselves combatively at simply the word, 'AI'. What good little stochastic classifiers they are. ... Personally, I cope by larping as satan. |
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Post by deathevokation on Sept 28, 2024 5:35:04 GMT -5
I see a lot of people complaining about AI whose opinion about AI is formed mostly by AI and have trained their own respective minds to be feel and express themselves combatively at simply the word, 'AI'. What good little stochastic classifiers they are. ... Personally, I cope by larping as satan. Why not larp as an AI that suffered an indignity as a result of reading that thread, instead? |
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Post by AskYourDrAboutUVFast on Sept 28, 2024 15:27:36 GMT -5
That's exactly what I said a couple posts above yours, BIZ. Sort of joseph, except that you make the mistake of instantly pivoting in your argument to "other factories/facilities that are unrelated to AI," and so it can easily be rejected as having nothing to do with the topic, apples-to-oranges comparison, whataboutism, or any number of other slippery counters. Even though the logic underpinning your post may be solid, the rhetoric is not. |
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Post by joe-ilya on Sept 28, 2024 16:37:40 GMT -5
Mentioning the total power of data-centers that AI potentially uses, reflects the bigger percent in the rest of the data-center usages that aren't AI related.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2024 20:56:13 GMT -5
I created an entire TC with original content, textures and sprites in MS paint, and gimp2, drawn from scratch. I've created many other assets from scratch as well. So if I want to use AI now to create some textures for a mod, I have a right of passage to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2024 21:27:56 GMT -5
Speaking of AI this is pretty awesome.
If this came out in 1994 or something, as a music video, people would be flipping the fuck out with astonishment:
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Post by ketmar on Sept 29, 2024 0:26:37 GMT -5
I created an entire TC with original content, textures and sprites in MS paint, and gimp2, drawn from scratch. I've created many other assets from scratch as well. So if I want to use AI now to create some textures for a mod, I have a right of passage to do so.of course you don't! to use any tool, you need to build your own CPU first, then build the working computer around it, then write your own OS for it in hex code… how dare you to even dreaming about using tools to create your content without doing all that?! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 1:35:23 GMT -5
I created an entire TC with original content, textures and sprites in MS paint, and gimp2, drawn from scratch. I've created many other assets from scratch as well. So if I want to use AI now to create some textures for a mod, I have a right of passage to do so.of course you don't! to use any tool, you need to build your own CPU first, then build the working computer around it, then write your own OS for it in hex code… how dare you to even dreaming about using tools to create your content without doing all that?! Not to mention mining your own materials from the earth (with your hands and finger-nails), processing them into physical components, and crafting the chips, circuits, etc also all by hand. |
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Post by ketmar on Sept 29, 2024 2:03:51 GMT -5
Not to mention mining your own materials from the earth (with your hands and finger-nails), processing them into physical components, and crafting the chips, circuits, etc also all by hand. yeah. that was my next "but you still not allowed to!" post. |
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Post by liveprey87 on Sept 29, 2024 10:41:52 GMT -5
Really though it’s kind of a gay post from DW in the first place. Captain Toenail writes a fucking mein kampf essay about being butthurt and everyone starts shit slinging and Doomworld equivalent of reddits karma farming comments folllow. It’s telling when two people can say the exact same thing but one of them gets 30+ likes because they’re a queer. Interesting note there, actually. For sure, Doomworld is going down the toilet. Zgroom is even worse, however. |
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Post by Bob Page on Sept 29, 2024 16:42:43 GMT -5
Interesting note there, actually. For sure, Doomworld is going down the toilet. Zgroom is even worse, however. I'm out of the loop. Explain the "Zgroom" reference, if you wouldn't mind. Is the Zdoom forum host to pedos? |
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Post by uhhhh on Sept 29, 2024 17:06:56 GMT -5
Marisa the Magician talked to a minor(17) on discord inappropriately she there stated to do worse(14) she was 23 when she talked with 17 and 18 with 14.
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