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Post by ketmar on Jun 23, 2023 2:16:23 GMT -5
wow.
by the way, the original Vavoom is heavily based on Quake. with lightmaps. almost nobody cared about this feature (because it is a gimmick, not something essential for doom). some people don't even know doom sourceport history good enough, but they are brave enough to claim that they know The Road Ahead.
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Post by ketmar on Jun 23, 2023 3:21:32 GMT -5
eh. i downloaded his mod… and now i understand why he wants quake. what i don't understand, though, is why he isn't mapping for quake in the first place.
good thing: found and fixed one bug in lightmapped renderer. that's prolly the only thing i found good in that mod. ;-)
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Post by SilverMiner on Jun 23, 2023 5:51:27 GMT -5
He said vanilla must die.
I think vanilla may die when: I get to know there's a source port that runs on the same PCs as vanilla doom did and has multiplayer. After that point, I'd like to put some modding features that won't change vanilla gameplay or at least feel close to it, and have stable demo playback.
I'm pretty sure the table with actor states from info.c can be dehardcoded and be read from lump just like animated and switches (I've been thinking of dehardcoding terrain types for crispy heretic just for lulz, but didn't get around to it yet).
This would beat need of dehacked. And also beat its limits.
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Post by SilverMiner on Jun 23, 2023 5:53:38 GMT -5
Making a map first in zdoom/eternity udmf to then convert it to quake was a huge lol to me
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Post by xeepeep on Jun 23, 2023 9:10:03 GMT -5
a source port that runs on the same PCs as vanilla doom did and has multiplayer. After that point, I'd like to put some modding features that won't change vanilla gameplay or at least feel close to it, and have stable demo playback. This is called Boom/PrBoom+ and has existed for 25 years. I'm pretty sure the table with actor states from info.c can be dehardcoded and be read from lump just like animated and switches (I've been thinking of dehardcoding terrain types for crispy heretic just for lulz, but didn't get around to it yet). This would beat need of dehacked. And also beat its limits. This is called DECORATE and has existed for 20 years.
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Post by SilverMiner on Jun 23, 2023 10:15:51 GMT -5
You're close, but not quite. This is called Boom/PrBoom+ and has existed for 25 years. I never could find IPXBOOM and SERBOOM source code, and thus I can't know how and when Boom multiplayer works; when it doesn't work; how much Boom source can be modified so that with these progs multiplayer would still work, etc. This is called DECORATE and has existed for 20 years. DECORATE doesn't let me know the numbers of states, and it doesn't let me jump between states knowing their numbers, also it limits me to use only those states, which belong to certain actor, which is an artificial limit that's nonexistent to info.c tables. It's not a problem for me to play multiplayer in Zdoom 2.8.1, I was thinking about a port specifically for DOS, so that one can surely bury vanilla if one from the doomworld thread sets such a goal
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Post by xeepeep on Jun 23, 2023 13:01:17 GMT -5
Open source is soy, so I find the boom multiplayer being closed source a plus actually. Have you ever noticed how the only good multiplayer port is the only one that's not open soyce? DECORATE doesn't let me know the numbers of states, and it doesn't let me jump between states knowing their numbers, also it limits me to use only those states, which belong to certain actor, which is an artificial limit that's nonexistent to info.c tables. This is like complaining about Zdoom not crashing when you hit 128 visplanes. All of what you mention are things you shouldn't even want to do for reasons other than the constraints of Dehacked and the vanilla engine. You can just copy paste the states from one actor to another. It's just lines of text.
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Post by SilverMiner on Jun 23, 2023 13:58:50 GMT -5
This is like complaining about Zdoom not crashing when you hit 128 visplanes. You compared bad non-fatal and bad fatal things. I complain about bad non-fatal one. It might be unwanted bloat on runtime. Not good for old dos pcs. Open source is soy, so I find the boom multiplayer being closed source a plus actually. Have you ever noticed how the only good multiplayer port is the only one that's not open soyce? Boom itself can be edited to become a cheat client, without editing ipxboom and serboom. Boom doesn't get that plus, hehe Zdaemon is all closed source, that's why it works for it
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Post by dn on Jun 23, 2023 16:51:12 GMT -5
Discord children are starting to become a real nuisance in the community, it seems. better than grooming children in discord, which is much more on brand for those fucks.
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Post by optimus on Jun 23, 2023 17:54:13 GMT -5
Vanilla must die, sounds like when someone was writing how to kill goto from programming languages like it was a sacred mission. It's just a tool bro, you don't need to use it. "I came and I have the answer on how to save the community" lol
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Post by dwsucksassthesedays on Jun 23, 2023 18:52:41 GMT -5
I seriously didn't need another reason to dislike Doomworld at this point... espicially after the whole "Cancel John Carmack" nonsense (god, i hate identity politics and cancel culture), but this site is getting insufferable. I guess the problem with big communities, is that there are too much people in them, and when you have too much people in one place, you're bound to have a bunch of brainless morons in there, who are easily ofended. The worst thing about it in this case, it seems these morons are the ones calling the shots and setting the standards for the whole website. Of course they are surrounded by cocksuckers who are happy to kiss ass and prented to agree with their sackless ways, because they are too afraid to be true to themselves and speak their minds freely. And all of this, because of what? Because they're afraid to lose their Doomworld accounts? Now that is a sad existence. But where do you even begin to describe the abomination that DW has turned into?
Starting with the donkeys with blinders that is the moderation team, a collection of middle aged incels, fags, a fat feminist, and a man who thinks is a woman... Do i need to say more? These people are the biggest waste of space on the platform. If everything you're good for is closing discussion topics that are in no way in violation with the forum guidelines, but simply because you disagree with the opinions and arguments that are presented in there, you're not a moderator, you're a forum nazi. Because you're not allowed to criticize anything there, even literal trash. If all you're good for is to act like some sort superiority figure, because your biggest achievement in life is to be a forum morederator, and you're using this to compensate for your own insecurities, then you're a little bitch and nothing more. If all you're good for is giving undeserved warns, supensions, bans and deleting comments, while at the same time being condeceding, sarcastic and sometimes straght up insulting towards harmless users, who are just new and not used to the forum yet, then you're nothing more than a fucking cocksucker! Oh, and let's not forger, allowing your budies to do the sam or much worse, again, directly insultig other users or use sarcastic remarks, like that insuferable bitch NineInchHeels, who is a complete moron by the way, and she has insulted half of the forum by this point, but of course, no one is allowed to say a word about that. And she's just one of the many priviliged moderator-ass-kissing lowlifes that are allowed too much there.
The double standards are just on another level, what else can be said about it...
Take Lee Jackson for example. I respect the guy for his work in the gaming industry, but my god, he clearly suffers from some sort of demetia or something else that turns him into the cringiest spammer in the history of forum spamming. What the hell is wrong with the guy? The worst thing about it is that he not only spams pointless posts, he also creates pointless topics and waters down whole subforums with his trash... "What pet do you have?", "What's the color of your eyes?", "What are your plans for today?"... what the hell? And then he post in the "react to the above profile pic" thread like 10 times per day. Dude, you're like 65 years old, and you're spamming in a forum thread because you want nonstop attention from people to react to your aging watermelon. I can't be the only one who thinks it's super cringe for an old guy to be such an attention seeker on a forum that is mostly occupied by people half his age. I'm 35 and i find these types of "react to my profile pic" topics to be extremely childish, and let me tell you, i didn't liked them 10+ years ago. The point is, if any other regular user was spamming as much and being as cringe as Mr. Lee here, he would be getting the warn in its first week on the forum, but not the 65 year old manchild because he wrote an awesome game soundtrack 30 years ago.
I'm not even going to talk about the bias with the shitty cacowards that are basically rigged every year, and "judged" by people who honestly have no business judging anyones work. The most laughable thing is how they award themselves too, even though as judges they shouldn't even be nominated. Some people will say "Why do you care so much? It's just a shitty forum "award" with no real value", but the truth is, the cacowards have the power to highlight and promote some truly good works that deserve it, but they often don't, and winners are often the ones that are either in the forum clique, or the ones that have kissed enough ass and have the soyboy behaviour that is tolerated over there. It's a long topic and it infuriates me, so i'll stop here... for now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 19:47:29 GMT -5
I seriously didn't need another reason to dislike Doomworld at this point... espicially after the whole "Cancel John Carmack" nonsense (god, i hate identity politics and cancel culture), but this site is getting insufferable. I guess the problem with big communities, is that there are too much people in them, and when you have too much people in one place, you're bound to have a bunch of brainless morons in there, who are easily ofended. The worst thing about it in this case, it seems these morons are the ones calling the shots and setting the standards for the whole website. Of course they are surrounded by cocksuckers who are happy to kiss ass and prented to agree with their sackless ways, because they are too afraid to be true to themselves and speak their minds freely. And all of this, because of what? Because they're afraid to lose their Doomworld accounts? Now that is a sad existence. But where do you even begin to describe the abomination that DW has turned into? Starting with the donkeys with blinders that is the moderation team, a collection of middle aged incels, fags, a fat feminist, and a man who thinks is a woman... Do i need to say more? These people are the biggest waste of space on the platform. If everything you're good for is closing discussion topics that are in no way in violation with the forum guidelines, but simply because you disagree with the opinions and arguments that are presented in there, you're not a moderator, you're a forum nazi. Because you're not allowed to criticize anything there, even literal trash. If all you're good for is to act like some sort superiority figure, because your biggest achievement in life is to be a forum morederator, and you're using this to compensate for your own insecurities, then you're a little bitch and nothing more. If all you're good for is giving undeserved warns, supensions, bans and deleting comments, while at the same time being condeceding, sarcastic and sometimes straght up insulting towards harmless users, who are just new and not used to the forum yet, then you're nothing more than a fucking cocksucker! Oh, and let's not forger, allowing your budies to do the sam or much worse, again, directly insultig other users or use sarcastic remarks, like that insuferable bitch NineInchHeels, who is a complete moron by the way, and she has insulted half of the forum by this point, but of course, no one is allowed to say a word about that. And she's just one of the many priviliged moderator-ass-kissing lowlifes that are allowed too much there. The double standards are just on another level, what else can be said about it... Take Lee Jackson for example. I respect the guy for his work in the gaming industry, but my god, he clearly suffers from some sort of demetia or something else that turns him into the cringiest spammer in the history of forum spamming. What the hell is wrong with the guy? The worst thing about it is that he not only spams pointless posts, he also creates pointless topics and waters down whole subforums with his trash... "What pet do you have?", "What's the color of your eyes?", "What are your plans for today?"... what the hell? And then he post in the "react to the above profile pic" thread like 10 times per day. Dude, you're like 65 years old, and you're spamming in a forum thread because you want nonstop attention from people to react to your aging watermelon. I can't be the only one who thinks it's super cringe for an old guy to be such an attention seeker on a forum that is mostly occupied by people half his age. I'm 35 and i find these types of "react to my profile pic" topics to be extremely childish, and let me tell you, i didn't liked them 10+ years ago. The point is, if any other regular user was spamming as much and being as cringe as Mr. Lee here, he would be getting the warn in its first week on the forum, but not the 65 year old manchild because he wrote an awesome game soundtrack 30 years ago. I'm not even going to talk about the bias with the shitty cacowards that are basically rigged every year, and "judged" by people who honestly have no business judging anyones work. The most laughable thing is how they award themselves too, even though as judges they shouldn't even be nominated. Some people will say "Why do you care so much? It's just a shitty forum "award" with no real value", but the truth is, the cacowards have the power to highlight and promote some truly good works that deserve it, but they often don't, and winners are often the ones that are either in the forum clique, or the ones that have kissed enough ass and have the soyboy behaviour that is tolerated over there. It's a long topic and it infuriates me, so i'll stop here... for now. I haven't read it, but I have utilized artificial intelligence to summarize this post. I think this is a good opportunity to bring some clarity to the grievance. Maybe DW mods can utilize it to better understand what people are upset about: The user expresses strong criticism and dissatisfaction with the online community of Doomworld, a website dedicated to the video game DOOM. 1. **Community Issues:** The user criticizes the community for its large size, suggesting that this leads to a lack of quality control and prevalence of individuals who are easily offended. They also criticize people who they perceive as insincere, suggesting that these individuals are only agreeing with others for fear of losing their accounts. 2. **Moderation Team:** The user criticizes the moderation team heavily, accusing them of suppressing free speech, being condescending, and showing favoritism towards certain users. They argue that the moderators are not serving the community properly, but instead are acting like "forum nazis." 3. **Double Standards and Favoritism:** The user gives an example of a known figure, Lee Jackson, a game music composer, whom they claim is given special privileges that allow him to spam the forum with frivolous posts. They believe that a regular user would be warned or banned for similar behavior. 4. **Cacowards Bias:** The user also criticizes the Cacowards, an annual award event on Doomworld, accusing the judges of bias and self-promotion. They believe the awards could be used to highlight deserving work but often end up promoting individuals who are part of the "forum clique" or who exhibit a behavior that aligns with the forum's perceived "soyboy" culture. Please note that the above summary is a neutral interpretation of the user's remarks. It does not endorse or validate the user's views, some of which involve derogatory language and personal attacks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 19:54:57 GMT -5
Let me address each point from my humble opinion.
1. This is probably true, but I think it has more to do with human nature in general. Some people are just followers and posers that want to fit in. There are wolves and there are sheep.
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The thing is, they're not a publicly funded organization, and that is their prerogative, it is a private hobbyist website. I disliked how things were going there too, but I decided to start my own private forum, which evolved to become this website now run and populated by like-minded individuals.
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Post by dwsucksassthesedays on Jun 23, 2023 22:27:06 GMT -5
Ah come on, you could've read it, it's not like it's a book that needs to be sumarized by an AI of all things, not to mention that the summary is half as long as the original post.
It may come of as a very harsh and ofensive criticism but fuck'em, they deserve every insult at this point, for turning what was once a great place, into a refuge for depressed, sackless, suicidal, soyboys and yesmen, who wanted to cancel the very person who gave their platform a reason to exist, and for what? Because they got butthurt of him attenting a convension that simplyfocuses on the artistic works while avoiding identity politics? It's pathetic and embarrasing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 22:36:38 GMT -5
I'm not even going to talk about the bias with the shitty cacowards that are basically rigged every year, and "judged" by people who honestly have no business judging anyones work. The most laughable thing is how they award themselves too, even though as judges they shouldn't even be nominated. Some people will say "Why do you care so much? It's just a shitty forum "award" with no real value", but the truth is, the cacowards have the power to highlight and promote some truly good works that deserve it, but they often don't, and winners are often the ones that are either in the forum clique, or the ones that have kissed enough ass and have the soyboy behaviour that is tolerated over there. It's a long topic and it infuriates me, so i'll stop here... for now. Callback to Major Arlene giving herself a cacoward. Honestly, most of the time the moderators give this award out of nepotism; To their friends or people they just felt like pitiyng this time.
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Post by dwsucksassthesedays on Jun 23, 2023 22:52:33 GMT -5
Yes, the fat, greasy, feminist, that was the name. Her maps are simply awful, they look pretty, but the gameplay is horendeus, combat design and enemy placements are tragic. She's completely clueless, and belongs in something like Minecraft, where she can design all the pretty architectures she wants... but she has no business designing FPS levels that's for sure. But even if her levels weren't utter trash, even if she deservers to win an award, i'd still say she should never be nominated if she wants to be amongst the judges at the same time... it has to be one way or the other, you can't have both in an award competition that wants to present itself as "fair" and unbiased.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2023 0:17:23 GMT -5
Yes, the fat, greasy, feminist, that was the name. Her maps are simply awful, they look pretty, but the gameplay is horendeus, combat design and enemy placements are tragic. She's completely clueless, and belongs in something like Minecraft, where she can design all the pretty architectures she wants... but she has no business designing FPS levels that's for sure. But even if her levels weren't utter trash, even if she deservers to win an award, i'd still say she should never be nominated if she wants to be amongst the judges at the same time... it has to be one way or the other, you can't have both in an award competition that wants to present itself as "fair" and unbiased. I played some of her maps, can confirm. It's jarring honestly, most of the status she holds is underserved. There's also a problem with them abiding by the rules they set for Cacowards. (Unsurprisingly, since the forum by itself has NONE).
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Post by SilverMiner on Jun 24, 2023 0:59:11 GMT -5
Vanilla must die, sounds like when someone was writing how to kill goto from programming languages like it was a sacred mission. It's just a tool bro, you don't need to use it. "I came and I have the answer on how to save the community" lol When I had been studying at school, teachers had forbidden "goto" for us lol. Even in quick basic (we mostly used Free Pascal)
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Post by ketmar on Jun 24, 2023 2:30:41 GMT -5
two unrelated points (rants).
1. "goto" sux. as do any unexpected control flow breaking. just read Dijkstra book, or David Gries one. sadly, i'm guilty of using shitty coding style, but that's because C basically begs to write shitty code. i'd like to rewrite k8v in Component Pascal (aka Oberon). it will never happen, of course, but can i at least dream for someting sane?
2. most "modern-style" maps are unplayable. they are overdetailed, good for screenshots, and completly missing the point. the simplicity of Doom maps is like the simplicity of low-res sprites and textures: give players some hints, and their imagination will do the rest.
tbh, it is quite easy to produce complex detailed maps, basically the only thing you need is some patience. such maps may be good for a walking simulator, but that's not what i want from Doom. yet creating a "low-res" map is much harder: once you don't have zillions of linedefs to impress people, you need something else. like some memorable areas, and good gameplay.
3. i absolutely don't know what my post has to do with "doom community happenings".
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Post by Gokuma on Jun 24, 2023 3:19:19 GMT -5
BasedCon exists because the publishing industry sucks for various reasons. Not only are they trying to narrowly control what can be published, they're also even rewriting classic books at a massive rate. The same people complaining about BasedCon, can look in the mirror (if they can do so without crying) and blame themselves for its existence.
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Post by xeepeep on Jun 24, 2023 3:47:47 GMT -5
Major Arlene is the best mapper and person in general to ever live. I will not tolerate Major Arlene slander on this forum. If this shameless smear campaign does not cease immediately, I will be forced to take measures. @shibainumaster dwsucksassthesedays this is your final warning.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2023 5:32:49 GMT -5
Ah come on, you could've read it, it's not like it's a book that needs to be sumarized by an AI of all things, not to mention that the summary is half as long as the original post. It may come of as a very harsh and ofensive criticism but fuck'em, they deserve every insult at this point, for turning what was once a great place, into a refuge for depressed, sackless, suicidal, soyboys and yesmen, who wanted to cancel the very person who gave their platform a reason to exist, and for what? Because they got butthurt of him attenting a convension that simplyfocuses on the artistic works while avoiding identity politics? It's pathetic and embarrasing. Yeah, but imagine that this place was started back in 2015, because we couldn't get along then. Much of it had to do with the fact that we couldn't talk about the 2016 election, and especially because the founding members (me included) liked Trump at the time. That was 8 years ago, and before a lot of new people showed up at DW. But like I said, what can you do about it really, except start your own place like I did here? But the good news is, this place already exists as an alternative to DW, and it is a lot more free in terms of what you can post.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2023 5:44:38 GMT -5
As for Cacowards, there's other standards of Excellence. Usually I see payload's Aliens: Eradication as one of the top 10 TCs of all time. It is even among them in the initial google search that is yielded. However, I think it never received any awards or recognition from DW, because it was sourced from Aliens: The Ultimate Doom, my mod. If not me, at least Payload deserved one. But I guess I am that radioactive. But honestly, I don't care, because I am sure a lot more people know of, and played that mod, than many of the ones that actually won the Cacoward of the year.
Don't get mad, channel that anger to something creative. That will piss off your enemies a lot more. There's a lot of people who share your sentiments. Use the opportunity to create something with them.
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Post by dn on Jun 24, 2023 6:35:50 GMT -5
Major Arlene is the best mapper and person in general to ever live. I will not tolerate Major Arlene slander on this forum. If this shameless smear campaign does not cease immediately, I will be forced to take measures. @shibainumaster dwsucksassthesedays this is your final warning. Smear campaign Stomach in pain Inside ur pants Shit tracks ingrained
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