StodgyAyatollah
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Jun 10, 2024 7:29:43 GMT -5
VICE Probably went over their heads but you''ll certainly be on their shit list now since they do lurk here. We even get some pearl clutching posts on occasion.
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VICE
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Post by VICE on Jun 10, 2024 8:23:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I figured they lurk here too. Discovered these types lurk everywhere when I rejoined the ZDoom forums and read about last year's fiasco and saw what that place turned into.
I left ZDoom forums behind because of shit like this and I'm not attached to Doomworld either, so IDGAF.
I'm not going to go on a crusade over there or anything, I don't care about that stuff enough to get involved like that, but I will say my opinion as is - and if they ban me I'll just post my work here, maybe even join the DBP once my mapping skills are good enough.
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Post by 40oz on Jun 10, 2024 17:11:36 GMT -5
Please dont allow doomworld moderators any position of authority on these topics. Like me, they run their forums their own way, and that way may be completely absurd. Thats their moderating policy at work, and it is nothing else.
My read on them is that theyre tired and dont feel like they owe anyone any kind of explanation for what they do. Take it from me, a serial over-explainer. Its exhausting. They dont get paid for moderating doomworld. They are never given performance reviews by a superior, or even any positive feedback for that matter. So they can fuck about and hock up a big fucken phlegmy loogie and spit in people's faces with no repercussions. This is not an exercise in class conciousness.
On the other hand, to characterize a defense* (not a good one) of gay and gender nonconforming peoples as an unspecific, amorphous "agenda," "ideology," or "theory" is kinda pathetic to keep reading ad infinitum.
Its kinda shocking to have this window into people's psyche where i can see them disputing the propagation of new information. Would it be any less stupid to call marine biology an 'agenda,' meteorology an 'ideology,' or newtonian physics a 'theory?' Can any of you scientists make a case for/against that?
Take physics for example, if you had to hang out with someone who was constantly debating how its impossible to 'fall' because theres no gravity pulling us down ... would any of that be worth your time to read? What if you pointed out videos of things that have fallen? and they responded by explaining it away with some other foreign force -- a manifestation through concious free will to be close to the floor? And then as you brought in more and more concrete examples, they repeatedly accused you of strongarming some kind of globalist agenda to warp the minds of children into validating gravity in an erasure of this mystical foreign force, and that you should be ashamed of yourself?
Theres a lot of science out there. Some of it is some seriously bonkers, off-the-walls kind of shit spawned where migraines come from. Theres books written about it. If you dont understand it, youre not expected to post your opinion about it.
i dont know how most of you don't see the parallels in how fucking stupid this all is. Sometimes youre just being annoying and vindicating each other with nonsense.
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Post by nnn✓ork on Jun 10, 2024 18:04:26 GMT -5
There you have it: The worlds most powerful bait-post.
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VICE
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Post by VICE on Jun 10, 2024 18:15:04 GMT -5
Would it be any less stupid to call marine biology an 'agenda,' meteorology an 'ideology,' or newtonian physics a 'theory?' Can any of you scientists make a case for/against that? Hold up, are you comparing "gender politics" to actual objective science? All of these things you mentioned are scientific fields that describe objective reality, each with their own terminology but each congruent with the others - they are true regardless of anyone's opinion of them. Even Newtonian Physics, which is an incomplete descriptor of reality and considered superceded by newer branches of physics, is still objectively accurate and is an elegant way to describe motion and any 1-3D system. Gender politics is all BS because it's based on the opinions of people and the so called "agenda", deliberate or not is predecated on convincing others of things that are objectively false. i.e you can "identify" as a woman all you want. You can take all the hormones in the world and do all the cutting edge surgery, but if you were born a male, every single cell in your body has your entire genome, and that genome identifies you as a man. These people are fighting against their own biology on a fundamental, self contradictory level, which leads to deep rooted cognitive dissonance. This dissonance is the reason why, as others mentioned, they feel the need to group together, convince others of their viewpoint, compel speech, and fight tooth and nail to live rent free in other people's heads. This is because their own body, on the deepest level, on the subconcious "didn't do your shadow-homework" level, rejects what they're doing. Without constant positive feedback and re-affirmation, their psyche becomes brittle. TL;DR: Political Correctness is not science because it doesn't strive for objective truth, and the two should not be compared.
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StodgyAyatollah
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Jun 10, 2024 22:40:33 GMT -5
As for the science Europe is farther along than we are in the US by steering away from affirming care for some time now. If we followed the hippocratic oath instead of profits we would be doing the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2024 5:20:24 GMT -5
There can be an agenda among scientists, for example, if they are paid to push it - which directly interferes and spoils academic research. Any field can be poisoned this way; And the gender ideology is one of those occasions, it has damaged the medical (Psychological, Surgical, psichyatric, physiological) field in the US and western countries overall. An agenda differs from, and contradicts the established scientific fact: in this case - There is a claim that not only sex and gender are two different things (Even thoug they are synonyms), but also that it is a spectrum, which strips it of any concrete definitions, and lets malicious actors to exploit that to gain monetary or political profit. What you listed are just branches of established scientfic disciplines, as an example: Marine biology is a separate discipline, due to how heavily aquatic and earth-dwelling animals are. But it follows the same principle - study and classification of animals; A destructive ideology within this science would be a group of researchers, paid by some outsider funder, to claim that the classification, and therefore genus of "fish" is a spectrum, and we can add cetaceans to it, because some of them have fish-like behaviour. And that raising a few cetaceans like fish, will definitely turn them into fish, despite all odds.This is also known as a scientific dogma.You need to add less word-salad, and more substance, come on.
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Post by 40oz on Jun 11, 2024 15:07:01 GMT -5
Hold up, are you comparing "gender politics" to actual objective science? You're telling me to hold up, but the remainder of your post is jumping off of two enormous assumptions. 1. Nothing about moderating a forum has anything to do with gender or politics. These are Doom forums. There's no government. No one is campaigning for votes. There isn't even a profit incentive. The difference in understanding about gender may be informing the actions taken over at doomworld, but the decisions are completely rooted in community management, and they run it the way they see fit. 2. There is no objective truth in science. By design, everything is meant to be malleable and testable in light of new information. In the pursuit of truth, mistakes can, will, and have been made. To assume those mistakes must remain constant impedes any pursuit for new discoveries. -- @shibainumaster The topic is about being banned on doomworld. I'm not here to validate this fear for you. Even if true, no one in the doom community is accountable for any of this. This is from 60 years ago.
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Post by VICE on Jun 11, 2024 19:02:55 GMT -5
1. Nothing about moderating a forum has anything to do with gender or politics. These are Doom forums. There's no government. No one is campaigning for votes. There isn't even a profit incentive. The difference in understanding about gender may be informing the actions taken over at doomworld, but the decisions are completely rooted in community management, and they run it the way they see fit. They sure can. But their policies are their own choice. No one is pointing a gun to their head and telling them to lurk on other forums or create dossiers on their members like the "fun police". Politics isn't about votes or money on the scale we're talking about, don't play dumb. Politics is about control, information and managing perceptions. That's not the behaviour of just a bunch of people with their own full lives that happen to also be mods in their spare time. There are definitely bad actors with woke beurocratic leaning and a desire to abuse power in the so called "Doomsphere". Obviously not all of them are, but enough of them are that it became a problem. 2. There is no objective truth in science. By design, everything is meant to be malleable and testable in light of new information. In the pursuit of truth, mistakes can, will, and have been made. To assume those mistakes must remain constant impedes any pursuit for new discoveries. A gross oversimplification, but, yes, that is the case with subjects like the orbital structure of atoms, for example. And I'm only concededing this point right now because I'm not interested in having a philosophical discussion about what it means to "know" something. But the scientific method has rigor, logic, peer-review, verifiability and the results can be reproduced. To verify or disqualify a theory is not just a matter of "feelies". LGBTQ&A gender-bender affirmation, wokism and the related politics and language are subjective and contradict themselves and other things known as true. (e.g I alluded that male humans have an X and a Y chromosome. Can you show that I'm wrong?) At the very least, if you're claiming that these are as valid as any scientific field, you need to be able to demonatrate that there is rigor and logic in them, and that the ideas are true regardless if you believe in them or not, and that they can stand on their own. Notice how the entire toolkit of the left involves changing people's language and definitions - what you are allowed and aren't allowed to say - because its highly subjective nature causes it to crumble whenever scrutinized with any real rigor.
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Post by VICE on Jun 12, 2024 8:35:52 GMT -5
I thank the Doomworld moderation team and graciously accept this award. And am glad that I got a chance to prove that you can get permabanned in Troonworld for changing one color in a duochrome avatar (intent aside), when all of your posts on their forum are otherwise constructive or neutral at worst, and without prior offenses. I dub this social experiment an overwhelming success. Also by playing my mods/maps, using my sprites or maintaining information about me, you accept that you officially endorse and agree with everything I said in this thread. Your moderation team has already established and acknowledged that they read this. Cheers. Edit: For clarity's sake, the above paragraph applies to the DoomWorld moderation team only, I don't want these fuckers enjoying my work or using it after they kicked me out, and some of my old spritework is in a few high-profile mods already. I'm not going to state where it is though, I'll leave it up to them to figure this one out. Watch out for that karma, she be fiesty.
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Post by CittyKat112 on Jun 12, 2024 9:17:33 GMT -5
I thank the Doomworld moderation team and graciously accept this award. And am glad that I got a chance to prove that you can get permabanned in Troonworld for changing one color in a duochrome avatar (intent aside), when all of your posts on their forum are otherwise constructive or neutral at worst, and without prior offenses. I dub this social experiment an overwhelming success. Also by playing my mods/maps, using my sprites or maintaining information about me, you accept that you officially endorse and agree with everything I said in this thread. Your moderation team has already established and acknowledged that they read this. Cheers. What's your account name?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2024 9:31:06 GMT -5
This is from 60 years ago. This isn't a rebuttal.
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Post by 40oz on Jun 12, 2024 12:02:04 GMT -5
Sorry this was unclear. The rebuttal is there's no reason to give a shit about this in the context of the Doom community because this is one instance of medical malpractice from before you and I were born, and the topic is about being banned from doomworld. It has no relevance. That's exactly the point I was illustrating in the story in the post you were responding to in the first place. Why don't you go write angry emails to a doctor or something? You can't make a case for why readers in the doom community have to be subjected to this.
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Post by VICE on Jun 12, 2024 12:35:55 GMT -5
What's your account name? Same as it is here.
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StodgyAyatollah
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Jun 12, 2024 12:44:41 GMT -5
Now that they're aware of that color combo there'll be some poor kid who ends up getting banned just because he likes Halloween colors. RIP Halloween kid.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2024 12:52:52 GMT -5
You can't make a case for why readers in the doom community have to be subjected to this. "You can't make a case for why readers in the doom community have to be subjected to this" -> Chud hate speech when coming from people questioning the purpose of the GAYhem project "You can't make a case for why readers in the doom community have to be subjected to this" -> Progressive and enlightened viewpoint leveraging "new information" when defending gender identity politics
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Post by VICE on Jun 12, 2024 12:58:22 GMT -5
Now that they're aware of that color combo there'll be some poor kid who ends up getting banned just because he likes Halloween colors. RIP Halloween kid. Maybe the next step is that they also become aware of their own hypocricy. They technically banned me for my sexual orientation, even though I never overtly stated anything about it on their platform. Feels like a checkmate.
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Post by thundercunt on Jun 12, 2024 13:17:52 GMT -5
Now that they're aware of that color combo there'll be some poor kid who ends up getting banned just because he likes Halloween colors. RIP Halloween kid. Wtf is this even about?
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StodgyAyatollah
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Jun 12, 2024 13:24:54 GMT -5
Btw for sodomy month I changed the colors of my avatar to those of Super Straight, just to subvert all this rainbow bullshit. (Same one I'm using here)
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Post by VICE on Jun 12, 2024 13:41:31 GMT -5
They're all just a bunch of superphobes. We supers need safe spaces to protect us from their relentless bigotry. I want the goverment to spend taxpayer money to paint the roads black and orange and pay for my condoms, gas money, tinder premium and bodybuilding supplements.
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Post by thundercunt on Jun 12, 2024 13:59:29 GMT -5
Btw for sodomy month I changed the colors of my avatar to those of Super Straight, just to subvert all this rainbow bullshit. (Same one I'm using here) Lol this is so funny. I thought that by default, straight people would never date trans people. I didn't know you had to specify you were "super" straight to clear this ambiguity. Guess I just learned something new today... For next year's pride month we should have a black and orange themed DBP. It will be even funnier with some Wolfenstein/Nazi touches.
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Post by VICE on Jun 12, 2024 14:49:10 GMT -5
Lol this is so funny. I thought that by default, straight people would never date trans people. I didn't know you had to specify you were "super" straight to clear this ambiguity. Guess I just learned something new today... You don't really have to. The ambiguity only exists when talking to the LGBTXYZ crowd because they have a different definition for Man and Woman. They automatically think SuperStraight is a troll because they can't comprehend it. To comprehend it would dismantle their worldview. For next year's pride month... I'm still sad that the other deadly sins didn't get their own months. Especially Wrath. Oh boy that could be a fun one.
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Post by 40oz on Jun 12, 2024 19:53:35 GMT -5
"You can't make a case for why readers in the doom community have to be subjected to this" -> Chud hate speech when coming from people questioning the purpose of the GAYhem project "You can't make a case for why readers in the doom community have to be subjected to this" -> Progressive and enlightened viewpoint leveraging "new information" when defending gender identity politics This was already discussed. The "Chuds" questioning it are being specifically requested not to participate in the project in a vast community where other projects they can participate in already exist. Making a case that they are being subjected to an awareness of this project's existence confirms my point that straight people feel entitled to everything by virtue of being straight.
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Post by 40oz on Jun 12, 2024 20:16:58 GMT -5
I thank the Doomworld moderation team and graciously accept this award. And am glad that I got a chance to prove that you can get permabanned in Troonworld for changing one color in a duochrome avatar (intent aside), when all of your posts on their forum are otherwise constructive or neutral at worst, and without prior offenses. I dub this social experiment an overwhelming success. Also by playing my mods/maps, using my sprites or maintaining information about me, you accept that you officially endorse and agree with everything I said in this thread. Your moderation team has already established and acknowledged that they read this. Cheers. Sorry that happened to you. It does suck that doomworld snipes people out there based on their participation here. You mentioned maybe mapping for DBP one day. There's no barrier of entry. if you're not sure about your mapping, feel free to goof around and post what you've got and I'll help give you some direction on how to get it over the finish line.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2024 20:28:07 GMT -5
Making a case that they are being subjected to an awareness of this project's existence confirms my point that straight people feel entitled to everything by virtue of being straight. Entitled to what, exactly? And who is making this claim? What has anyone discussing this claimed that they are entitled to other than their opinion?
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