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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2022 10:09:39 GMT -5
So the release is already cursed by first naming it MM3 and then saying you would change it and then a month later saying you won't change it. So fuck it, just double on the controversy, doomworld is most likely locking the next thread about this release anyways, so why not? Here are some great names if you wanna double down on it: Sunlust 2: Valiant, But Better. Sunder: Maps 21-30 Elementalism Phase 2: The Return of Appa Mordeth 2: If mordeth is being lazy, we will finish it for him. Scythe 3: The Return of Erik Alm (without Erik Alm) Memento Mori: The Third Reich, by the SS (seriously, your team is called the SS team? A bit on the nose don't you think?) DBP #37: Auger Zenith 2 DBP #48: Ruin Station 20x20: Kicking Under The Rug Memento Mori: An Ode to Eric Harris Memento Mori: "Why the fuck would anyone play this wad? Memento Mori is the most boring wad ever, holy fuck it's one of the shittiest things in media history, you need to be braindead to like this" The Game. Mucus Flow 2: Please Dean of Doom, give us an A+ Hah,my friend Dubium actually wanted to make a "Sunlust 2",which would bea tribute.Also,i think Disturbia.WAD can be called the second Mucus flow.
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Post by JadingTsunami on Jun 19, 2022 10:20:16 GMT -5
Eh,i'll ponder on that.Gotta ask people int he project about what do they think.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2022 10:37:37 GMT -5
Eh,i'll ponder on that.Gotta ask people int he project about what do they think. Don't know man, it kinda matters as it is shown by the experience we had with DW,but at the other hand...We can announce the name after we're done.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2022 10:39:37 GMT -5
ou see, Doom fans and purists do care about this sort of thing. You tell me this like I wasn't a member of aforementioned community for a decade, life if I joined like 3-4 days ago. Also, just because some old farts, fake fans and clout chases are experience an astronomic butthurt over names it doesn't mean they have any form of right to dictate what someone who wants to contribute to the community shall do, name a project, etc. Plutonia 2 follows Plutonia Experiment in setting and name, in most, otherwise that's a different beast. TNT 2 pays a tribute, does look like TNT and have some piece of its spirit yet still, a different take on Evilution, that does follow original TNT only in some parts. Same with Perdition's Gate: Resurgence And so on, so on, yadda yadda, I think you've got what I meant. As long as the project is good on its own and follows some of old entries' rule: I personally don't mind whatever name it have.
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Post by skyr on Jun 19, 2022 11:33:11 GMT -5
Eh,i'll ponder on that.Gotta ask people int he project about what do they think. No worries mate, if all members of the project could just write a 500 word minimum essay on every title why they like/dislike it, I would appreciate it a lot. Thanks in advance!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2022 11:35:28 GMT -5
Eh,i'll ponder on that.Gotta ask people int he project about what do they think. No worries mate, if all members of the project could just write a 500 word minimum essay on every title why they like/dislike it, I would appreciate it a lot. Thanks in advance! That won't really happen,but i will share you'r joke (or humorous reamark) with them.I think we'll just stick with MM3,honestly i wanted to go with this all along,but other members of the project suggested i should change it to avoid donnybrooks with DW. I'll use some of those titles in the future though!
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Post by srludicolo on Jun 19, 2022 11:42:13 GMT -5
Just made a DB account to help with moderation for the CP
Yes, we changed the name to MM3
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Post by skyr on Jun 19, 2022 12:09:49 GMT -5
No worries mate, if all members of the project could just write a 500 word minimum essay on every title why they like/dislike it, I would appreciate it a lot. Thanks in advance! That won't really happen,but i will share you'r joke (or humorous reamark) with them.I think we'll just stick with MM3,honestly i wanted to go with this all along,but other members of the project suggested i should change it to avoid donnybrooks with DW. I'll use some of those titles in the future though! Sad, I was waiting to read a few dozen essay's on a WAD title. But on a serious note, if you wanna know my stance on this, even tho I barely give a fuck about it. I do think calling it MM3 is just dumb. It is nothing personal against you or the team working on it. It's something I always hated in media, when the original artist(s) isn't involved in the project, but they still use the same name of the project/continuation of the project. If the artist isn't present, that means the same vision/expression isnt present, therefore it isn't the same project. And if it isn't the same project it shouldn't bear the same name. Except when you can clearly see from the name it's an homage, i.e. plutonia: revisited community project, instead of plutonia 2. But then again, you are free to name your WAD however the fuck you want. There is no copyright on the name and you just want make doom maps inspired by MM for other people to play. It is far from worst thing in the world. But in the same way people are free not to play it because of the name you choose for it, as is shown by the response on DW. If your goal is for as much people to play it, yeah change the name. If you want to express yourself artistically how you want to express yourself, keep the name. I do think 40oz also made a good point of the people criticizing the name probably won't even play it either way. I know I won't play it because either way it is related to MM and MM is just so. fucking. boring. 'Remember that you die' yeah not shit, playing that wad makes me wish I was dead already. tl;dr: rename it if you want more people to play it, keep the name if you want to express however you want, MM is boring anyways and this was way too much text for something I barely care about
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Post by TheFantasticFungiFan on Jun 19, 2022 12:27:40 GMT -5
Why give the project such a title when you know it's going to lead to a back and forth bitchfest? Personally, I'd rather spend my time mapping than having drawn out and monotonous arguments that have already been played out over and over again in the past. I want to read about the maps and how the creators and players feel about them, not a bunch of people complaining about people complaining about a title that you chose knowing people would complain about it. Normally I'm against threads that aren't completely retarded getting locked on Doomworld, but I'm glad the mods threw this one down the shitter because other people don't deserve to have their threads buried by a bunch of monkeys screaming back and forth having pseudo intellectual debates and showing off their phoney moral superiority over the title of a fucking Doom wad.
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Post by nnn✓ork on Jun 19, 2022 12:39:48 GMT -5
I'm generally a believer that branding needs to be respected. At very least, "Memento Mori 3" is a good tentative, internal title that anchors the project's goals and intentions. If it doesn't knock it out of the park, and mappers failed to deconstruct and re-execute the essence of MM and MM2 into MM3, then you could always pivot and change it to "Meme-ento Mori", and swap the credits midi to "Never Gonna Give You Up" by Rick Astley. The scholars will debate the deep meaning of Meme-ento Mori for ages: Does it mean 'remember the memes', 'the inevitability of meme-death', or 'memes are eternal, and can live on past death and resurrect through our memories', etc, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 3:15:12 GMT -5
I mean honestly,why would the people who joined the community earlier than me care about that kind of stuff,the people who tried to discourage the naming of the project to MM3 were mostly members who gained authority through being around the block for a long time or some other bullshit (some of them aren't really prolific mappers,graphical artists,etc.). Aren't they supposed to be calmer and with a lower degree of elitism? Cause' that's what it seems to be,a bunch of bloody snobs. I was told before that the principals of the Doom Community™ are:Free expression and sharing (MM is not a registered commercial IP). So what's the deal?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 3:15:42 GMT -5
I'm generally a believer that branding needs to be respected. At very least, "Memento Mori 3" is a good tentative, internal title that anchors the project's goals and intentions. If it doesn't knock it out of the park, and mappers failed to deconstruct and re-execute the essence of MM and MM2 into MM3, then you could always pivot and change it to "Meme-ento Mori", and swap the credits midi to "Never Gonna Give You Up" by Rick Astley. The scholars will debate the deep meaning of Meme-ento Mori for ages: Does it mean 'remember the memes', 'the inevitability of meme-death', or 'memes are eternal, and can live on past death and resurrect through our memories', etc, etc. I guess that works too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 5:09:16 GMT -5
While I distance myself from all of the naming nonsense of this project (although admittedly I'm mildly amused by the consequences it seems to have) I still feel it's going to be a fun thing to play through in the end. So don't drop it, name it whatever and I'll be fully focusing on completing my map after June 30th
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 5:25:12 GMT -5
Hah,respect for that.
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Post by joe-ilya on Jun 20, 2022 5:48:54 GMT -5
People have been getting very touchy about unofficial sequels to old megawads since "Plutonia 3 : Going to the Surface" by Silverminer came out, which was an awful mess that nobody liked that got accepted into IDGames, making unofficial sequels like this have turned into a joke because of that, take a look at "Plutonia 7 : Going to the Hell". TNT 2, Plutonia 2 are unaffected by this stigma because they started developing before "Plutonia 3" came out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 6:04:31 GMT -5
I don't think it's my problem if people percieve unofficial sequels like that due to a trollish WAD. being released once (SilverMiner went on to post actually good WAD's later,so,what gives?). As if my MAP01 didn't point to at least any degree of professionalism and the goal to actually make a new istallation of MM.
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Post by joe-ilya on Jun 20, 2022 6:44:03 GMT -5
Maybe you should've provided the map in the OP? All there is is a link to a Discord server and a maplist, and a screenshot that looks nothing like Memento Mori, and mentions using Boom format even though the original projects were vanilla, which can seem like a cheap way to make it seem like your maps are better just because you stuff more linedefs in a room than mappers did in 1996.
People would take you more seriously if you commissioned some musicians and texture artists beforehand to make a nice resource pack inspired by Memento Mori instead of just using what looks to be cc4-tex.wad and having music from wherever. It's a lot of work, but that's how the originals were created, and it's not particularly fair for some rando to pull resources from wherever and then call it a sequel to something that took a lot more effort just to kickstart the project.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 6:49:42 GMT -5
I made half of the resources myself,some of them were added by other members of the project. I decided to use boom to mdoerize the project,altough myabe unecessarrily. And i don't think that the artists and stuff would agree to my commissions.
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Post by joe-ilya on Jun 20, 2022 7:38:21 GMT -5
The screenshot you're advertising this project with uses textures and the sky from cc4-tex.wad, and looks more like GothicDM99 than Memento Mori. If you at least would've put a screenshot of a test map that utilizes the resources that you made, you wouldn't get this kind of criticism, this is all a matter of poor presentation; the very first impression.
It's like DBP48 all over again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 9:39:44 GMT -5
The screencap is from MAP04,i told the guy to not use a different sky,for now it stays like tha,but i'll discuss it with him in the future.
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Post by TheFantasticFungiFan on Jun 20, 2022 11:52:25 GMT -5
I mean honestly,why would the people who joined the community earlier than me care about that kind of stuff,the people who tried to discourage the naming of the project to MM3 were mostly members who gained authority through being around the block for a long time or some other bullshit (some of them aren't really prolific mappers,graphical artists,etc.). Aren't they supposed to be calmer and with a lower degree of elitism? Cause' that's what it seems to be,a bunch of bloody snobs. I was told before that the principals of the Doom Community™ are:Free expression and sharing (MM is not a registered commercial IP). So what's the deal? There is no online community on Earth where members become less elitist the longer they stay and the more they contribute. That's a problem that's more individual. Some people will start acting high and mighty the first time they present something of value, others will remain humble for their duration as a member. The idea that people shouldn't speak their opinion just because they haven't been around long enough or they haven't contributed some great and wonderful map comes across as elitism more than anything. Just because you do something that isn't illegal doesn't mean people can't/aren't going to complain about it. I can throw together a bunch of STARTAN boxes filled with thousands of cyberdemons and call it "DBP 50: STARTAN Hell" and that would be legal too, but how well do you think that would end up working out? I don't know who told you that "free expression" is a principle of the community when "the community" is comprised of several different places, each with their own set of rules, morals, and levels of tolerance regarding different topics. The controversy would be much more interesting if the title was changed to "Remember You Will Die, Presented by The SS".
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Post by skyr on Jun 20, 2022 12:05:22 GMT -5
It's like DBP48 all over again. See? I told you this is a good name.
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Post by walterc on Jun 21, 2022 3:41:12 GMT -5
Yeah, but i don't get why this project as been renamed Memento Mori 3 again... Also making it boom compatible breaks the original concept of the franchise... Why there's such a resurgence of 90s unofficial sequel wads in these times?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 9:20:55 GMT -5
MM had a bunch of vanilla mapping tricks, i thought that if the project sued the BOOM engine,that allows for more bells and whistles,people would appreciate it.
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