k8vavoom: no good thing ever dies! (2023, Dec 22 build)

Я бы сказал, что конечный пользователь хотел бы на руках иметь именно бинарники, а не нужду сидеть и в среде разработки всё компилировать...

especially considering that building windows binaries on windows is not supported; you have to use GNU/Linux and MXE cross-comping environment for that. ;-)

chrome may not like catbox certificates. try to tell it to STFU and accept what is given. sorry, i don't know how to do it step-by-step, as i am not using Chrome. Ff may be picky too. that is, it works for me in my Pale Moon, so it is something with your browser, or "system protection", or something like that. sorry.

Skipped a few versions: I better update for Christmas!

ketmar , K8vavoom is good stuff. I'm including it in my testing and keeping my Strife stuff compatible with it.

Some issues:

-warp command line parameter won't work. It always goes to the title screen. I use batch files to run and test a lot of things.
Can't get rift**, or idclev** to work.

Seems I can only do cheats or warp from the console.

In strango5.wad, I replaced the quit message recordings QFMRM1 through 8 and K8vavoom plays the originals as if I didn't. (Zports don't even play them though, unless I'm missing an option.)

.mp3 files at least used for sound effects were silent. .ogg works though. Unfortunately I avoid .ogg because sometimes they hurt Zandronum's frame rate. So I opted for 22khz .wav to support both.

Where hitscanner shots are changed to superfast projectiles may have aim too inaccurate.

Loremaster's grappling hook doesn't work like the original dos Strife. Like Zports it yanks pretty well, but not the same as the dos game which adds an additional huge vertical thrust to it, even if it's perpendicular to the angle of the shot. Also like Zports, making a projectile then shoot it back for the player to launch himself doesn't work. I made it appear to work somewhat in K8vavoom and Zports using a negative force harmless blast and having a version spawn an intermediate thing which shoots it. In Chocolate Strife and Veteran's Edition, the yank is completely nerfed something pitiful, but simply having a projectile shoot it back with sehacked does hit and have an effect on the player like the dos game. It just doesn't launch the player worth crap. One other thing with that is the trail of TENDA0 doesn't seem to appear as consistent in K8vavoom.

Gldefs for my added or modified projectiles aren't working (but are fine in Zports).   However decaldef is working fine.

The ZDoom mod Weapons of Rebellion 2 Lite crashes with some kind of script error in K8vavoom.

Something good K8vavoom has that Zports freaking missed!: It properly transfers player color to their rebels summoned with the beacon like the dos game. I don't know if Chocolate Strife or VE do.

Another thing K8vavoom has right that all Zports got wrong. The Beggar's attack has the correct frames. It should go DEED but Zports, Zandronum's decorate all the way up through GZDoom's zscript have DDED and it looks dumb.

I don't know if much has been done on Strife stuff since Janizdreg's work. Aside from Vavoom being one of the earliest ports with Strife support, if not the first, Janizgred helped me narrow down a few hex addresses in the strife1.exe when I was working on sehacked.

Updated my decorate mod for Strife, gokweap3 to gokweap4 today.

ketmar

Here's the zip of strango5 and my decorate mod:
www.mediafire.com/file/dq1kabhwqac5bff/strango5v1.1.zip/file
Or here's the one stop shop for practically everything:
gokuma.neocities.org/download#Strife


Weapons of Rebellion of which I tried the Lite version:
forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=32780



I know Vavoom isn't a ZDoom, so the fact it supports so much of it is an amazing bonus.
For the lights I'll just have to look at Vavoom's resource and it should be as simple adding a B onto the projectiles I modified, and a couple additional names.

Cheats aren't really important since the console is there and typing god in it is a lot quicker than omnipotent. Boomstix or idfa is quicker than
gimme weapons gimme ammo though.


As far as command line syntax and commands I really think every port should support at least the important ones every vanilla Doom engine game universally has in common. Some more obscure, archaic, or obsolete ones aren't too important.

I consider the important ones to be
-file *.* -warp # -skill # -deathmatch -altdeath -nomonsters -fast -timer # -record * -playdemo *
-nomusic -turbo # -respawn
-novoice (Strife exclusive but not too important)

-timer # might behave differently in Strife. Instead of exiting a map when time is up, I think it simply makes the exit simply not work until time is up. I'd have to test dos Strife more to be sure, but any implementation is fine without needing the extra work. Unless you want utmost accuracy.



Less important:

-random (Might be an interesting Strife exclusive: "Items respawn at random locations." Maybe a Chocolate Strife exclusive EDIT: It's in vanilla dos Strife!)
I gotta try it out in different versions.

Is -maxdemo # obsolete these days?

-nosound
-avg (same as -timer 20)
stuff like -wart and -devparm


Here's Chocolate Strife's parameters though I'm sure it adds many dos Strife didn't have.
gokuma.neocities.org/txt/CMDLINE.txt

Here's the Doomwiki on command lines:
doomwiki.org/wiki/Parameter

And the ZDoomwiki
zdoom.org/wiki/Command_line_parameters

Hmm, I could have sworn -fraglimit was in something, maybe Doom Legacy.

Apparently it's just a cvar in Zdoom that can be accessed with + instead of -.
zdoom.org/wiki/Fraglimit

Well it's not vanilla anyway, but it's always welcome.


About the grappling hook. Here's how dos strife works with my sehacked shooting it back at the player.

While it may have been shot at a little of an upward angle, notice the extra vertical throw.
For the unmodified enemy Loremaster shooting the Loreshot the normal way, there's two on map14 of Strango5.wad.
On easy there's just one to deal with.   He doesn't have that attack in my sehacked patch since I gave it to the player to shoot back at himself.

In the decorate of my gokweap4.wad. Go to line 210 and comment out or delete the A_blast code pointer off the end of that frame's line.
That negative blast is my fake yank. With it gone you'll see how the projectile shot back from an initial player projectile has no pull effect on the player or anything at all in Zports or Vavoom.   Simply shot back it passes right through the player.   Having an intermediate thing spawn in place and then shoot back, removes its vertical angle of direction, but makes it able to hit the player, still to no effect.

as for `A_Blast()` — "Strength" is ignored there. it is ignored in ZDoom and GZDoom too. also, "BF_NOIMPACTDAMAGE" flag in k8v is not implemented. i just implemented it, thank you! ;-)

i also added "warp" support to Strife — it simply the case of two missing lines in "games.txt".

as for gldefs: they are not inherited, because decorate is parsed before gldefs. so you have to specify the exact actor name. i'm not even sure if gldefs light definitions should really be inherited, or if this is a side-effect of ZDoom implementation…

I know the one parameter is ignored.   What I was saying is to delete my use of A_Blast there when testing, so you can see how the grappling isn't working without it.   My use of a_blast was just to compensate for it not working and it does some of what I want but not reliably as it's a crude imitation.
AltFire of the electric and poison modes of the crossbow shoot it.   One of those versions spawns the intermediate thing to shoot it.   You can tell it by the loss of vertical angle/pitch.


Ah, I never noticed the v_start/end entries.   Dos Strife1.exe, Chocolate, and VE don't require them, but if I find another reason to update Strango5.wad, I'll do it.   As it is, I don't want a bunch of different versions floating around and it's just a little silly selection of random sounds of early Dwango wads when you're quitting.



Good work on the lantern fix for Weapons of Rebelllion!

thank you! i'll definitely take a look. Strife is unique game among idTech1-based ones, and i'd love to support it as good as possible. it's a shame that i never had it back then, when i could learn how it should work. so your help is really appreciated; i wouldn't notice anything wrong myself, because i don't know what is right. ;-) thank you again!

as for missing function names and such in the recreated source… it doesn't matter much. the base engine is idTech1, so we know the basics. and game-specific code is not that hard to match with what we have in k8v, way easier than trying to look at the raw disassembly.

i'll try to figure things out, and i hope we'll be able to make grapling hook work right. i also need to add Strife VE support later: as far as i remember, there are some fixed quest bugs, and additional quests too.

You made Sehacked??? I thought you just smoked crack and posted about pedophiles all day

My old mods like Silent Steel now crash with "Found both pk3 and VWAD basepacks" error