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Post by deathevokation on Nov 10, 2020 17:12:53 GMT -5
We're not out yet trump bros
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 5:18:29 GMT -5
The final recount will begin on Nov. 17th, since Wisconsin will be the last state to complete canvassing.
Wisconsin is within the 1% between Trump and Biden. If he could flip it, and win it, like he did in 2016, it would be crucial.
He needs Georgia, PA, and at least WI, AZ, or NV to win.
Michigan has some allegations of fraud, but there seems to be too wide of a gap to fill, but who knows.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 7:26:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 8:08:16 GMT -5
If he somehow manages to pull it off it might plunge your country into deep chaos. Still, I admire his balls.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 8:11:46 GMT -5
If he somehow manages to pull it off it might plunge your country into deep chaos. Still, I admire his balls. Yeah, I think that is a certainty. People would flip out if it happens, and there will be a lot of violence in the streets from extremely pissed off left-wingers.
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Post by morpheuskitami on Nov 11, 2020 18:18:19 GMT -5
I don't think there would be any worse than during the summer months. But I would worry if things continue to go south in regards to money. As long as they can return to their nice comfortable homes in the wee hours they're not going to rock the system. Same applies if Biden wins. People talk tough, but until their necks are on the line they're not doing anything they wouldn't otherwise get away with.
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Post by 40oz on Nov 11, 2020 19:07:05 GMT -5
I was almost totally sure Trump would win. There are trump supporters everywhere here in Pennsylvania. I'm pretty suspicious that these elections are fixed and they projected Biden as the winner as some sort of damage control in case things were going to go awry. The fact that it was even close was surprising to me, and I feel like it took so long to announce a winner during this political superbowl to keep people's eyes glued to the news for that sweet sweet advertising money.
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Post by deathevokation on Nov 12, 2020 2:13:43 GMT -5
i kinda viewed trump winning as good for democratic party in the long term... or atleast the implosion it'd cause might lead to better internal changes and quality control if they lost because they put such a corrupt candidate forward who could croak or resign at any point due to medical complications, handing over presidency to whoever's acting vp and insulted everyone's intelligence by telling them "sorry two party system" before then telling them to vote for this man that comes with a ton of political baggage unless you want voldemort back in power. If they can put a character like Biden forward and actually win then they'd just carry on doing what they're doing which'd be harmful in the long term. When they picked Biden I actually thought they were going the "controlled opposition" route and didn't want to win and that even if they did win at the very least it was a statement that they weren't willing to change anything.
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Post by dr_st on Nov 12, 2020 16:59:42 GMT -5
I was almost totally sure Trump would win. There are trump supporters everywhere here in Pennsylvania. I'm pretty suspicious that these elections are fixed... <snip> Funny, a friend from Pennsylvania on another forum said exactly the same things. I guess it depends where you live. Most Democratic strongholds are large metropolitans; stay away from those, and you are likely to see far more support for Republican candidates. I don't know how much fraud actually went on in these elections, but in the end, the numbers in most places are pretty consistent - much higher turnout, which gave more votes to Trump and Biden alike; however, the growth was more noticeable in the cities, which favored Biden. This allowed him to flip a few states, which was crucial for his victory. That is certainly within what you would expect given that a major crisis like COVID-19 always tends to make people unhappy with the standing government.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 19:36:42 GMT -5
Either way, the Republicans need to learn to harness the power of the absentee and mail-in ballot process to their advantage. It seems as though the non in-person votes were heavily skewed in favor of Democrats this time around, so Republican strategists would do well to figure out how to get their base to utilize these avenues more effectively.
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Post by deathevokation on Nov 12, 2020 22:38:43 GMT -5
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Post by dn on Nov 13, 2020 0:49:25 GMT -5
Either way, the Republicans need to learn to harness the power of the absentee and mail-in ballot process to their advantage. It seems as though the non in-person votes were heavily skewed in favor of Democrats this time around, so Republican strategists would do well to figure out how to get their base to utilize these avenues more effectively. Aha, you've just touched on that little subliminal niggle that makes me think "vote fraud". I don't know how it is in America, but where I come from, absentee mail-in ballots represent something like a 90/10 geriatric-fuck / retard-cripple ratio. People mailing in votes are thousand year old boomers avoiding the ice. They end up voting for a prime minister that they will live a week to see before smashing into the cemetery like the youtube like button. And those old fucks don't vote progressive, they vote hard-right, they vote for dropping bombs on third-world shitholes, raping babies and increased pensions. I have difficulty believing that Americans over 80 give a fuck about BLM and other stupid-haired progressive shit. I would have thought mail-in ballots should logically favour the republicans. Is the average young democrat so fucking fat that they don't leave the house to vote, or what am I missing here?
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Post by dr_st on Nov 13, 2020 4:57:10 GMT -5
Either way, the Republicans need to learn to harness the power of the absentee and mail-in ballot process to their advantage. It seems as though the non in-person votes were heavily skewed in favor of Democrats this time around, so Republican strategists would do well to figure out how to get their base to utilize these avenues more effectively. That's certainly true. I wasn't aware of the enormous correlation between mail-in versus in-person voting and preferred party, until I saw some polls published a few days prior to election day. Then of course, the results pretty much confirmed this, when all the states which counted in-person votes first, mail-in later showed a huge advantage to Trump, which withered away and ultimately flipped in most states towards Biden. So I concluded that Trump's strategy had been wrong. Instead of trying to discredit the mail-in ballots and early voting, he should have encouraged his supporters to use these tools, and also adjust his campaign to it. Trump's last-week campaign was very effective, but too late! Two thirds of the eventual voters already cast their ballots by then, and there was no way to get them back. If he had started earlier, he probably would have swung some of them at least. So in the end, his own COVID infection came at a very bad time for his campaign, and may have been the determining factor of his eventual loss. Oh well, perhaps he should have taken it the virus more seriously after all.
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Post by 40oz on Nov 13, 2020 9:49:16 GMT -5
Donald Trump lambasting the postal service didn't do any good. I think this was key in the democratic campaign.
In some of the leftists groups I follow on social media, users were sharing memes and tweets about being jokingly "harrassed" to vote. I don't know where they got my contact info from but I guess because I'm registered as a democrat voter I personally received something like 40-50 sms text messages over the course of the last two months notifying me about my mail-in ballot arriving, if i need help filling it out, reminding me if I haven't sent it out yet, letting me know what website to go to request one, how to check if it's been processed, etc. Honestly probably the seventeeth most annoying shit in the world.
I do know a lot of those not making it to the polls are the young of the working class, those in poverty, and non-native english speakers. I think the seniority in the US have more experience with social security and our dogshit healthcare system which tend to be more democratic talking points than republican, too. I think enough people not knowing enough about politics to vote, or being too busy to care needed that extra budge with mail-in voting to push Biden over the edge.
It could all be fraud though idfk.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 21:34:05 GMT -5
Aha, you've just touched on that little subliminal niggle that makes me think "vote fraud". I don't know how it is in America, but where I come from, absentee mail-in ballots represent something like a 90/10 geriatric-fuck / retard-cripple ratio. People mailing in votes are thousand year old boomers avoiding the ice. They end up voting for a prime minister that they will live a week to see before smashing into the cemetery like the youtube like button. And those old fucks don't vote progressive, they vote hard-right, they vote for dropping bombs on third-world shitholes, raping babies and increased pensions. I have difficulty believing that Americans over 80 give a fuck about BLM and other stupid-haired progressive shit. I would have thought mail-in ballots should logically favour the republicans. Is the average young democrat so fucking fat that they don't leave the house to vote, or what am I missing here? It's weird, I totally see why you'd think that. I mean, it's very logical and I thought that myself for years. But the Democrats, at least in my area, have been very successful in their outreach to the older crowd. The whole "Republicans will throw granny off a cliff!" combined with "We need civility in the White House!" resonated enough I guess.
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Post by deathevokation on Nov 20, 2020 16:01:54 GMT -5
wew
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Post by dr_st on Nov 22, 2020 2:13:37 GMT -5
Seems to me that all these allegations are easily verified/dismissed by simple (although time consuming) procedures - manual (by hand) recount of the votes in every precinct + comparison of the total number of votes to the number of registered votes who are marked as "having voted" in said precinct. Ideally, the information on whether they have voted or not should be accessible to every registered voter, therefore if someone has had their vote "stolen", it can be easily revealed.
Granted, the above wouldn't be enough to discover one type of fraud - when a certain number of ballots for candidate A are trashed after opening, and replaced with an equal number of pre-manufactured ballots for candidate B, but it can go a long way in verifying/dismissing everything else.
Is something so basic just not being done in the US? Or has it in fact been done, and the Trump campaign simply ignores it?
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