DBP18: UMBRAL PLATINUM

Excellent! Solid set this month, no fat at all. Epic maps too, fill up on fluids before playing peoples!

Nah my map just wasn't finished. Gaspe's map really was secret though.

Next DBP I host I'll have a custom Trello and Discord server just for that project.

MegaPancakeStrategist MAP01 FDA : www.doomshack.org/uploads/dbp18_map01rc1FDAjoe.lmp

It's heavily flawed with damaging floors, crushers and teleporting enemies all over the place, it wasn't fun having to watch my every step in a map THIS long, rarely did I ever have any moments to breathe, and I eventually lost my temper when you decided to put an arch-vile when the player turns back to explore after reaching the exit, my invul wore off by the time that I was finished with the seemingly last encounter, only to get bombarded with a horde of constantly resurrecting enemies with an arch-vile behind them that I can't shoot at because the map is too cramped and stuffed with corpses.
The exit should have an extra of at least 15 or so rockets to be able to take care of that blunder.

I died to stupid crap like that, which took the enjoyment out of the map as I was almost finished with it; abrupt crushers out of nowhere, infinitely tall caco bukkake.
It's really easy to die when there's so little space and so many enemies around, I can only imagine the hell this must be for a less experienced player who won't find as many secrets and cheese as I did; without finding the megaarmors

Wish you'd include a BFG or a plasma gun, you shouldn't hold back on those weapons in a map this big and heavy with enemies, could've made this map more tactical.

I found only 1 bug; it's the first pain elemental encounter, it can't attack.
I'm also worried about arch-viles resurrecting ghost enemies with all of these close-able doors around the map, which luckily didn't happen somehow.

@gaspe MAP02 (Already played, but...)
The first encounter is still the lame same, zombiemen or demons are much better enemies for that room than the shotgunners, the only purpose of that encounter now is to take down a lot of HP, you can't really do anything, which sucks.

MAP06 FDA : www.doomshack.org/uploads/dbp18_map06rc1FDAjoe.lmp
Tons of fun, the secrets were fun to figure out and so were all the encounters, looks like it was fun to make too, LOL.

I did find 1 bug where for some reason the BFG secret got screwed up when I revisited it while looking for the last secret, once I reached the exit.

joe-ilya

You're coming across as severely butthurt that your map was rejected. Cupcakes map is really well designed with some very satisfying combat encounters. It sucks that you guys weren't able to see eye to eye and that your map wasn't included, but shit happens, get over it.

Are you guys talking about the crusher right before you try getting the red key? I'm fine with taking that out. I kinda had to rush things so my map is pretty untested past the yellow key point compared to the earlier stuff.


dmdr What do you mean by breathing space? Just a room you progress in with no monsters? Also for MAP02 I suppose I could try experimenting with some imps at the start. I didn't want to change that since I want the damage you take to heighten the tension of the map in tandem with the remixed music while you go forward and seek health.


Also the short corridor with the crushers on both sides I'd like to change because I didn't have time to come up with a better part. I could extend the hitscanner and barrel section of the Red Key area (I'm a little proud of what I did in that amount of space). Or I could try implementing some of that breathing space with just exploration.


joe-ilya I've since removed the last archvile (what was I thinking? Not thinking at all is what) and am playing with the idea of including a plasma rifle on non-UV modes hidden in the darkness. There IS a plasma rifle with two large cell packs  you can find though in a super secret.

skdursh How does my feedback suggest any bias? It's all objective, you can even watch my FDA of the map to see the stupid reasons why I died and had to restart the whole map all over again, and eventually rage quitting at the very exit.
I simply don't like the map as much as you do, but you're being butthurt over a map that isn't yours, you probably haven't even beaten it without using saves, so you don't know the pain when playing without that clutch.
Maybe I seem butthurt because the feedback is similar to what he said about my map, it's more cramped and messy than my rejected map, but for some reason he still rejected my map despite the fact.

MegaPancakeStrategist Breathing space doesn't have to be empty, you could just simplify encounters of a few rooms, so the stakes aren't as high as for the rest of the map, rooms without traps basically; you get what you see.
There's too many traps at the moment, I feel like you could heavily reduce the amount of enemies that teleport in or pop out of closets, even the most minuscule ones, such as a single chaingunner that traps a player who just went to pick up a batch of health and armor bonuses.

Instead of having the chaingunner trap, it could just be preset there before the player even goes inside.

Oh believe me I really want to make shorter maps. Next ones I make will be shorter I promise. I just find it really hard not to expand on a good room I make because I love in-depth adventures with tons of stuff going on. Especially since with this project I wanted to practice good level design with how the map progresses and opens up (and this is the first Doom map I've made since DBP12). I believe I've done a good job since it's hard to get lost while still bringing understanding to the 3D space of the level with the tactical nature of the lines of sight and differences that 8 unit heights can make. The different "themes" of a few areas help with that too I hope.

Maybe it's just a difference in skill or taste in maps or something, but there wasn't really any points in cupcakes map that I felt were unfair or absurdly difficult. Sure the map kept you moving quite a bit to avoid enemy fire or to provoke some infighting, but in every situation I encountered I found that there was still room to move, to position myself correctly and to kill the enemies without dying or suffering too much health loss. I never felt like I was hurting for ammo too badly either, because it was pretty much perpetually kept at the point where you *felt* like you *might* run out of ammo in the next encounter but then a secret pops up or the next encounter would have ammo placed conveniently prior to or within it. Also as a player I tend to punch or use a chainsaw 99% of the time against pinkies, imps when there are 2 or less and also pistol zombies if I have berserk. Maybe try playing it on Hurt Me Plenty or a lower difficulty if UV felt unfair, but for my experience and in trend with the maps that I tend to enjoy the most I found Cupcake's to be really fun and cleverly designed with no glaring defects as far as the progression or combat went. In fact, the first time I played it I was streaming and definitely recall talking about how clever I thought the combat encounters were.

And joe-ilya just because I thought you might be a little butthurt doesn't mean I didn't also enjoy your map or that I think that your map should have been rejected, but it's hard to read your review of Cupcake's map and feel like you're being entirely objective and not at all salty after reading through the dev thread.

If you were a clone of Cuppy you may just have a 60% chance of making something the rest of us would actually enjoy playing Now use some Anusol and shut the hell up! Nobody cares what you have to say cunt! Stop cunting up the release thread with your subpar effort and butt hurt comments you cheap attention seeking whore