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I would prefer a new forum to emerge and become popular, where you don't see the topics about doomworld closed backed by obviously political motivation to censor speech "offensive" to outsiders. In other words, a forum that allows offtopic discussion and doesn't censor it.

As for creative act, I am developing a program that is going to be useful to Doomers, but it goes slowly, and I have real-life problems to attend to. I can't map for good, usually you are either a mapper or a programmer, rarely both.

As for the anguished souls, the anguish, as komori rather observantly put it in another thread, comes from the lack of reciprocal understanding. If those with more sane outlook (including political one) backed me more rather than have been apathetic, there won't be much anguish. I'm genetically wired to have no chance of decent life in a censored regime, whether the reasons for censoring are traditionalism (like in Russia) or woke ideology like in Europe and the West. I do need to be able to speak things which occassionaly can be offensive, and be forgiven for it. And I'm willing to allow other to be forgiven by me in exchange for their forgivance, so they can offend me to.

I can't turn my back to the worlds happenings because I don't feel safe. I have the reasons to run from Russia, very serious reasons (and because of that, I can't even state them hear, I have to keep them to myself), but I have seemingly nowhere to run. I may face imprisonment both here and there. I can't enjoy games - any games, not just Doom - fully because of that. It reminds me I'm not doing anything to escape my situation.

And yes, you see I dropped my "let's depopulate Earth" irrational defense mechanism. Here I'm talking about why worldwide response to pandemic hit me so hard I get enraged by anyone endorsing restrictions or mandatory vaccinations or vaccine passports. I had fought depression for years prior to pandemic without medication and did quite well for someone who was alone supporting himself, but never I was so exposed as since the pandemic began. I use antidepressants since 2021 with no prospective of quitting, but it's no longer enough. Also, antidepressants do interfere with empathy (lowering it), I realize it but can't withdraw until the world returns to where it has been (I don't care for pandemic, but I need to make social connections, which is hard because of social distancing).

Btw, if anything has killed this forum it's contracommando's relentless promotion of "get vaxxed". Several times I thought about petitioning admins to ban all COVID-19-related discussions as they are extremely polarizing, essentially a holy war where nobody is convincing anyone. But that could pave a way for banning other topics, so I never did.

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@vigilantdoomer im just reading this now. im really sorry to hear that man. That sounds really heavy.

If anything, I would want to kill this board sooner than I would want to save it. And that is all because of one person who wrongfully wound up being in charge in this place while having views completely incompatible with running it.

It's inevitable that things move always in a certain way.
- Mainstream board is captured by certain ideologues.
- They push away or ban those who have different ideas, whether you think the ideas are awful or not.
- Someone makes a new board where we don't do the same.
- It's inevitable that it will attract people with those "problematic" ideas.
- It becomes that 3rd party fringe board with the "problematic ideas" people.
- "Hey look, we were right that those people were bigots!"

The result is to create another bubble. So, to me it's inevitable that Doomerboards would have collected the disagreeable people who happen to have these "problematic" ideas, and the board members would reflect this side of the political spectrum. I understand why 40oz now wants to clean up a bit this place. It feels graphic that one enters a messageboard that is supposed to be about Doom but 1/3rd of the discussion end up being about how much we hate doomworld or politics that are very frequently "problematic" leaning. It's like the woke say, "If it quacks like a duck then it's a duck, if he speaks Nazi they must be a Nazi" (and I do hate this logic).

Then again, think about why this messageboard was created. It wasn't because you wanted another board about Doom. It was because you wanted a board about Doom that is also a reaction to the policies of Doomworld. 40oz might now think "what if it wasn't about politics and was about Doom". But if it was about Doom I would rather go to Doomworld (and I still do) as that's where the majority of the doom discussion happens and nothing will trump this. Sometimes I see this and I wonder, what if I tried to post more Doom stuff in here instead of Doomworld just to elevated the Doom discsussion. I get an idea about a Doom post I'd like in the category of favorites (like your favorite Doom maps/opinions/guilty pleasures, things like that that are very common), and I think "Hey, that's great to post in Doomworld, because I'll hear from a lot of people!". But sometimes I pause and think, what if I post in Doomerboards instead. Even if logically, it makes sense to post Doom stuff in Doomworld because there is much more traffic there.

That's unfortunate, if the community has dominated a place, then why would you go to 3rd party sites for the same thing? It's the same when things become so big, google, youtube, twitter,. and while there are alternative 3rd party social media (which again were created as a counter to the political censorship), I don't feel like posting there because a video on bitchute will give me much less traffic (almost deserted) than youtube. So I end up staying on the big giants even if I hate their tactics. But see there is a parallel here, all these 3rd party sites created as a reaction to big site censoring certain opinions, so they end up being smaller fringe bubbles housing the controversial opinions, so they end up having the identity of that "problematic" 3rd party site. If it wasn't for the more free-speech open politic of the 3rd party site, there wouldn't be any reason to visit it instead of the mainstream with all the traffic in the world.

Same with Doomerboards. The only exception is when people create projects. DBP wads are special. But then again, one would open a thread in Doomworld to create their own DBP project. It's not like one needs Doomerboards to create a DBP project (and now I kinda get why the DBP project thread section is unavailable without login/register).

So as bad as it sounds, without this "we accept problematic opinions" Doomerboards wouldn't have it's own identity. If it was another Doom site, why visit it when everything happens in the giant Doomworld? It's unavoidable when things went political. There is this joke that says "All I wanted was to play videogames man! How did I end up invested into reading politics?". I feel the same way strange myself. Why do I know Jordan Peterson and all the IDW brigade? Why do I know what woke, critical race theory, and all that stuff means? I used to be apolitical and wasn't aware about things normies do. I used to be so apolitical that when Trump got elected, me reaction was "Who is Trump? Why is everybody freaking out?!" (that's a true story actually, that's how outside of politics I was. Someone told me briefly before the election "it's crazy, my boyfriend is watching Trump videos and likes him" and I was like who is that?". This is how apolitical I was (really living under a rock thinking in retrospect, although I am from Greece and wasn't paying attention to the news, so I don't live in the USA to bother at the time) and now I see faces and names from politicians and thinkers of the so called "right wing" (really everyone in Joe Rogan's list, even those who you'd think are really left) and I know who the fuck they are. Why would I notice the face of Shapiro and think "Oh that's Ben haha!!!". Why would I know that?

I didn't even chose that. We didn't chose it. Politics came in our hobby, it divided us all, some stayed where they are (left was trendy with the youth), some got "red pilled" and started becoming political from the apolitical nerds they were. It happened, and if I was 10 years ago looking at my present, I would be puzzled (not necessarily negative) I am showing interest in certain matters. But then again, I've happened to have "chosen" (is there free will?) the path of the underdog (at least from my side of the bubble it looks like so), but it feels like so because I know if I discuss my opinions I am on the "bad bigot subhuman list", but if I was by accident on the other side in the woke, I could still discuss my pronouns and people would think I was weird or a sheep, but at least not a bigot. So,. somehow I ended up in the awkward position.

I think 40oz ended up in that awkward position too, till he watched some cringe youtube video "how the normies were radicalized" and twisted some of his opinions in the opposite direction. It seems weird, seems like it's not him. But anyway,. think however why this messageboard was created and how the true identity is not Doom but reaction to the mainstream Doom forum politics. And how there is not so much free will, but both people and messageboards move through certain paths that we can't control most of the times. It's like when in the classic Batman movie, iirc Joker was telling to Batman "You created me".

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