Lobo
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Post by Lobo on Nov 3, 2020 8:04:03 GMT -5
If Trump wins, I reckon the shit is going to hit the fan over in the US.
I hope I'm wrong.
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nxGangrel
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Post by nxGangrel on Nov 3, 2020 8:08:53 GMT -5
Re elect Trump: Revolution now
Elect Biden: Revolution later
only difference is who is revolting.
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40oz
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Post by 40oz on Nov 3, 2020 8:44:33 GMT -5
Trump is definitely going to win, so whatever you think will happen, prepare for that. nxGangrel is right that we are seriously overdue for a violent revolution. I really thought we were getting there with the george floyd protests. It got close but there just wasn't enough energy to sustain it long enough before people got tired and needed to go back to work. At least some good things came out of it, much more than voting ever will. I don't really know what's going to happen but if the election results are the source for civil war I don't think it will last very long because poor people are fucked either way. It might be more ammunition for some intense shit later but I think the government knows it's gotta do more minor oppressions for a while than let something big like george floyd spiral out control again. By the way I'm really pissed everyone gives a shit about voting after what's happened this year. I've never really known my parents political affiliations until a few years ago, much more so in recent months. My own mother is asking me who I'm voting for. She's never asked me that before. We're seriously fucked if we don't do something. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 9:23:02 GMT -5
Trump is definitely going to win, so whatever you think will happen, prepare for that. nxGangrel is right that we are seriously overdue for a violent revolution. Yeah, very positive stuff. Please take note that when America farts, it ripples across the whole world. If we get copycat movements here it will definitely hurt us a lot more than it hurts you. Whenever something big like this happens it always hurts small countries like mine the most. This is why I even care what's going on in your country. I fucking hope he wins so he will give these nutjobs the beatdown they deserve. These people want to spread chaos and if they succeed, it will spread across the world. I'm sure regional bullies like Russia would love to exploit this to bully us. |
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Post by 40oz on Nov 3, 2020 9:49:27 GMT -5
Thats enormously selfish for both of us to be complicit and passive about needless racial violence just so we can preserve the comfortable luxuries were used to.
Shut the fuck up about "these people," a lot of people I know personally were in these riots and they do incredibly difficult and selfless things against all odds just because they know it will help people over the long term and it's the right thing to do.
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dn
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Post by dn on Nov 3, 2020 9:54:16 GMT -5
I need a new laptop if any "revolutionaries" happen to be out looting later.
Liberté, égalité, papier toilette.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 9:58:07 GMT -5
Thats enormously selfish for both of us to be complicit and passive about needless racial violence just so we can preserve the comfortable luxuries were used to. Shut the fuck up about "these people," a lot of people I know personally were in these riots and they do incredibly difficult and selfless things against all odds just because they know it will help people over the long term and it's the right thing to do. Fuck them too. If you disturb the peace your deserve to be in jail. And if you support such people then fuck YOU. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 10:10:34 GMT -5
Calm down, people, I don't want any of you gone all of sudden. Remember that your contributions to Doom are more important then view differencies, and that you are arguing over what is going to happen beside your control. I am actually not convinced Trump will win, but then again, I am not American. And we will actually see whether civil war actually breaks out, or not (I think not, in either case, unless the extreme level of voting fraud happens, like somewhere...). On the side note, 40oz, you are saying "shut the fuck up" a lot as of late, which 1) doesn't quite help people changing their views, but might get them even more attached to their views even if they had the opportunity to reconsider. Actually opposition is one way to cement views, except not the ones you are trying to promote 2) might provoke intense response (I think @doomro might actually regret saying that to a fellow doomer - later, but he couldn't really balance it out against the perceived need to retaliate against being told to "shut the fuck up", which is understandable. His response is actually natural in that regard - you attacked his image, and he feels inclined to show he can't be pushed around) |
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Post by 40oz on Nov 3, 2020 10:11:02 GMT -5
Did you watch your favorite youtuber to flesh out your opinion before resorting to "Fuck you's"?
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dn
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Post by dn on Nov 3, 2020 10:14:16 GMT -5
I see the civil war is starting early.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 10:17:12 GMT -5
Did you watch your favorite youtuber to flesh out your opinion before resorting to "Fuck you's"? That bait is just weak as hell. Weaker than Biden's last demented braincell. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 10:24:08 GMT -5
40oz, while people may cite propagandistic arguments to try to give their opinions credit, it is not necessary - although of course possible - that their actual viewpoint comes from propaganda; it can also may be reinforced by both: 1) limited personal experience with some people they actually interacted which is then projected onto other people they have no experience communicating in, 2) and propaganda meeting the demand for belonging to a particular group with similar views, and thus being able to protect ones views held because of point 1. It can, of course, be also Stockholm syndrome (fearing persecution by the state for promoting extremism/terrorism", as some states equate fighting against the regime with those, and since the terrorism is indefensible, with all speech that can be even remotely describing to support it inviting immediate attachment from security services, then of course one would internalize those thoughts and pretend they actually consider the revolutionary to be terrorists and thus indefensible under any circumstances), etc. It is actually what @memfis was trying to tell you - defending certain political pariahs may just really be equated with defending terrorism, with such speech being a criminal offense. And when you actually experience living in that regime, you look at freedom of speech a lot differently, because you know how it feels to live when telling certain views lands you in jail or nets you a really huge fine, far greater (more than 10x) than you would receive (if you would ever receive to begin with, which almost never happens) as a compensation for having a broken limb, smashed out tooth by a police/security service person. Well... there are many reasons one might be saying that, actually.
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Post by 40oz on Nov 3, 2020 10:27:44 GMT -5
@doomro, you're not an idiot. You don't need to listen to whatever the political commentator figureheads you care about tell you to think. They're not your friends. Their purpose is to keep left and right people blaming and fighting each other so they're not paying attention to the leaders at the top who are pulling all the strings. You don't know me personally and you don't know my friends. Your opinions are based on bullshit you heard from these idiot youtubers and you're using to start shit with me and who I am as a person. That's not good, dude.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 10:37:08 GMT -5
@doomro , you're not an idiot. You don't need to listen to whatever the political commentator figureheads you care about tell you to think. They're not your friends. Their purpose is to keep left and right people blaming and fighting each other so they're not paying attention to the leaders at the top who are pulling all the strings. You don't know me personally and you don't know my friends. Your opinions are based on bullshit you heard from these idiot youtubers and you're using to start shit with me and who I am as a person. That's not good, dude. You said they participated in riots. That's all I need to know. They are spreading chaos that could eventually find its way to me. All the violent ideologies of the last century started off small and eventually snowballed when someone hijacked the collective consciousness of the world but before that small people like me and you contributed to that. There's tons of footage of violent rioters (or protesters as the presstitutes call them) on the internet. Why should normal people like me not be scared of that, especially from vulnerable countries like mine. If your country descends into chaos you can bet regional bullies like Russia will try to stir trouble around here. I said I watch them to FORM my opinion, not to download what they say. As for racial justice, black people today are living better than the vast majority of white people did 200 years ago. If you have internet, hot water, TV, Netflix, cheap food you live better than the vast majority of humanity did hundreds of years ago. Things are not perfect but you don't need to bring the whole system down. You just need to be patient. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 11:18:09 GMT -5
As for racial justice, black people today are living better than the vast majority of white people did 200 years ago. If you have internet, hot water, TV, Netflix, cheap food you live better than the vast majority of humanity did hundreds of years ago. Things are not perfect but you don't need to bring the whole system down. You just need to be patient. I have doubts black people got so far by waiting patiently, though. I shall perhaps go again through some history lessons on the subject. Didn't, like, a civil war bring the end to acceptance of slavery (in law, at least)? !!! and besides, for black people who were under slavery, what did they gain by waiting? Changes occur over larger timeframe than a human's life. You can't get there by being patient, the one living under better condition than you will, with great likelihood, live after your death. |
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Post by 40oz on Nov 3, 2020 11:25:50 GMT -5
This conversation is so annoying because I'm actually living it. I used to listen to political news and podcasts to learn and make sense out of everything that's going on in the world. They have a way of simplifying extremely complicated issues so that they're easy to digest and build community around it in ways that serve the establishment. Everything I was hearing made sense, and it helped me solidify what I thought were my own personal views, but when I started running into people I havent talked to in ten years and they suddenly have this overconfidence to talk about politics in a way that's either exactly in line with my views or diametrically opposed and they definitely didn't have these opinions ten years ago, I then start to wonder if I really am thinking with my own fucking brain or if we're all just secretly paying attention to the same role models over the internet in our own personal isolation.
I had to break out of my comfort zone by withholding all judgment, unsubscribing from everything I was listening to and actively seek out everything opposite to what I was originally thinking to see what was happening on the other side. (Because of the way algorithms work on most large web sites, they actually make it very difficult for you to get past their recommendations and find what it thinks you don't want) If you can force yourself to do that, you can find that both sides equally make very good points and very bad points on the same sets of issues.
It happens for both sides;
On the right, communities form around alt-right news sources through people who find strength in having independence, personal responsibility, and care about individual liberties. The news will give you the tools to fight with liberals and democrats on their talking points because tHeY waNt tO tAkE tHoSe ThInGs aWay FrOm yOU and that's partially true but it's primarily the domination of our government and economy by megacorporations and the natural evolution of our culture that are eroding those things away.
On the left, communities form around liberal media sources through people who feel for the disenfranchised and less fortunate, so they learn about how republicans are all these savage racists and misogynists, who root their racism and misogyny in tradition and religion, which is only partially true. They're trained to identify with and be experts on every issue (sometimes creating non existent ones) so that each individual person is so spread thin they can't possibly give each issue the full attention it deserves to make even a little bit of a difference.
As long as we stay in our comfort zones by being surrounded by communities that think and act like ourselves, and use those communities to form enemies with each other instead of those in power who actually DO have control over the fate of the world, those in power will be free to do as they will almost completely unopposed.
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BIG DICK NIGGA
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Nov 3, 2020 13:39:28 GMT -5
Donald Trump was getting on his last nerves.
Every time he tried to speak, Donald would interject with some bizarre claim, a claim with no substance.
Joe knew what type of game he was playing.
Donald was playing dirty.
Joe couldn't hear what Donald was saying.
It was the same bullshit over and over again, mindless stuttering and denials.
"Let him fini-" the moderator desperately tried to get Donald to stop interrupting.
He did not.
"Mr.- Mr. President. Please let him fini-"
Donald continued, not stopping his arguments.
Joe's eyes met with his, a cesspool of dark, emptiness.
The only thing Joe could see in Donald's eyes was determination.
Determination to ruin this debate, no matter what.
Joe narrowed his eyes, meeting the same defiant glare.
Donald's toupee flowed in the breeze as he continued to spew words.
Joe wasn't paying attention.
All he could focus on were Donald's lips, his moisturized, miniature lips.
They said the stupidest things, yet Joe couldn't help but watch them move.
It was mesmerizing...
It was the stupidest fucking thing he'd ever seen.
The moderator had moved on, clearly tired with the current topic.
He directed this question to Joe, which he was eager to answer.
Donald didn't let him answer, though.
Fed up after minutes of continuous back and forth, Joe snapped. "Can you just shut up, man?"
Donald didn't waver. "Make me, Biden."
"Ooh, you wanna beat me so badly, you fucking loser."
"I'll have to request that you refrain from using foul language, Mr. Biden." the moderator spoke up.
None of them listened.
This was a heated battle between him and Trump only.
Nothing else mattered, nobody else mattered.
At that moment, there wasn't Twitter, or the moderator, or Melania, or Jill.
It was just him and Donald.
"And so what? You're too scared to come at me. Just like Crooked Hillary, he can't fulfill his promises!" Donald exclaimed.
Joe didn't know what went through his mind.
Perhaps stubbornness, competitiveness, even?
But one thing was clear.
He wasn't scared of anything.
And so, he walked away from his podium and to Donald's.
The orange-skinned man, clearly not expecting Joe to make a move, did something shocking.
He stopped talking.
The moderator, who at this point was mentally signing his registration form, made another feeble attempt to get the debate in order using his boss Demetri s prompts.
"Mr. Biden, please go back to your podium..."
Joe ignored him, getting face-to-face with Donald.
"What? I'm here now. Do something. Or are you too scared?"
Donald's eyes widened, unsure of what to do next.
Joe scoffed, knowing full well that his plan had worked.
He turned away from Donald, a smile on his face.
"As you can see, ladies and gentlemen, your president is too scared to put words to action! What makes you think he'll be fit to run a country?"
Suddenly, a shoulder grab.
Donald brought Joe's face to his, and shockingly, kissed him.
Kissed him deep and firm.
As their groins pressed into one another’s, feeling each others heat as they both grew firm in front of America.
In front of the world.
And the worst part?
Joe didn't even hate it.
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Thanks again reddit
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BIG DICK NIGGA
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Nov 3, 2020 13:51:43 GMT -5
Ok shitposting aside (so that i don't get banned)
I'd prefer the most if every single person in America spontaneously combusted right this fucking instant and if that vile place burned down to the ground with nothing remaining of it. However that's highly unlikely to ever happen so I'd prefer the closest thing to it. And that would probably be Trump winning lol.
If I were a subhuman American though, I have no fucking idea who I'd vote for. Biden sorta matches what I imagine a president being like, but that's exactly why he's there, poor old man's being used as a puppet instead of being left to play with his grandchildren in peace or something. Trump's a massive wildcard and has no business being anywhere near the presidency lol. He has some good qualities and policies and all but he's insane. I'd probably vote Kanye unironically lol, at least he makes bangers unlike these other two.
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nxGangrel
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Post by nxGangrel on Nov 3, 2020 14:57:35 GMT -5
I'd prefer the most if every single person in America spontaneously combusted right this fucking instant and if that vile place burned down to the ground with nothing remaining of it. If I were a subhuman American though Oh grow up will you. |
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Post by 40oz on Nov 3, 2020 15:26:54 GMT -5
I'd prefer the most if every single person in America spontaneously combusted right this fucking instant and if that vile place burned down to the ground with nothing remaining of it. However that's highly unlikely to ever happen so I'd prefer the closest thing to it. And that would probably be Trump winning lol. a lot of us are definitely ready to die. |
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Lobo
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Post by Lobo on Nov 3, 2020 16:00:18 GMT -5
My country is Kiltartan Cross,
My countrymen Kiltartan’s poor,
No likely end could bring them loss
Or leave them happier than before.
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