Doom Eternal, Boom or Ball Ballbusting

Doom Eternal is going to be epic my dude. I knew from the moment I saw the Phobos demonstration. I should think about what gamer fuel to bring for when the promised time arrives.

I still haven't played 2016 so I can safely say I don't really care one way or the other

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Doom 4 was a big let down for me, a typical AAA game with unnecessary crap like glory kills, RPG elements and tons of lock-down arena fights, so I don't expect much, TBQH.

I had a much better time with Dusk and Ion Fury, so much creativity in the gameplay and the maps.
Wrath looks to be a blast, I'm looking forward for it a lot more.

Wow, that's an interesting thought. Historically we've had this divide between the West where heroes ascend through experience, and the East where your birth determines your destiny. So there's a cheap take, as China/East Asia grows in proeminence, we adopt more of their values.

Or maybe this whole "historical" thing is bullshit. There's determinism a-plenty in Western literature, especially non-English media or older stuff. The belief we can influence our destiny is probably tied to American ideals of freedom and the unique conditions of the US, during the 20th century, allowing unparalleled opportunities.

Social mobility now isn't as great as it was in the late 20th century. With a full generation coming of age and earning less than their parents, perhaps the optimism required to believe in grit and badassery just isn't there anymore?

It's like it all fits together, this "ok boomer" thing, the YouTube/Twitch culture, even that trend of embracing cuckolding as a desirable fetish (?!). All about hoping someone else do something, specifically someone who couldn't possibly be you, because you don't believe you can affect the world, or even your life, to a meaningful extent.

I'm likely spouting nonsense or obvious stuff, but it kinda hit me in a way it never did before. The coolness of the collective experience we had in the 80s and 90s, for adults and childrens alike self-inserting as a regular joe, if space marine, pushing back a demon invasion by himself. How do we get people to believe they can be the player character again?

Glory Kills were a genius idea and a great way to fix the issue present in most FPSs that if you run out of health mid-combat you get fucked, this without resorting to regenerative health. I kind of agree with some of your other points, though. The design of some of the Doom 2016 monsters looked like cartoon shit and Eternal seems to be going in the same way. I also think they went overboard with the plot and it is now ridden with gay sci-fi and RPG-styled shit that should have no place in a Doom game

Thanks guys for your input. You know, going off topic for a moment, I gotta say, this place is MUCH more decent than Doomworld. No whiny bitchmobs who wanna try to suppress opinions because they don't like what offends their fragile eyes!

Ha! Ha! Thanks again guys for the contributions!

Interesting stuff about this pantheon of celestial Doomguy crap we're getting served. Bit drunk, so might spitball this one through.

Greek theater (which is really the basis for all western story-telling) revolved around Gods and people at the top of the food-chain (and interactions / shagging between the two) for a couple of reasons. First, because the normie shit-heeled helot lived a fucking boring life. Second, because the normie shit-heeled helot feels better about his life if his social superiors are portrayed as a bunch of lying, cheating, murderous backstabbing swan-fucking scumbags. Makes for a better story, yo. Popular appeal.

That pretty much continued thru Shakespeare up until the Modernists decided that Gott ist Tot and started desperately looking around for something to replace Him with / someone else to blame. Storytelling then turned to The Life and Times of Boring Ordinary Pleb as they scrabbled about internally to find a fucking reason for this shit existence, since God is no longer around and Hitler hasn't happened yet. Of course, it turned out that plebs still have a rubbish existence that no one wants to hear or read about, so in order to string meaning through what is essentially a meaningless life they ironically equated said plebs (and their actions) with the characters (and their actions) in religion or ancient mythology, e.g a masturbating jewish cuckold becomes synonymous with Odysseus and Jesus. Don't knock it, it's actually a pretty good read.

From this fixation with the self (and the boring minutiae and daily chores that make up the inner-landscape of the self) came the tradition of monologuing hard-boiled everyman heroes (film noir etc.) and - eventually, and mostly accidentally - story telling in FPS computer games. See, the free and indirect speech of modernist / hard-boiled fiction is basically designed to replicate the inner-dialogue that all us wonderful non-npcs have ongoing inside their skull. Since Doom has a story that is basically retarded and intrudes 0% upon the actual experience of, you know, playing the fucking game, players who wrap themselves up tend to have their own little inner-monologue going with themselves whilst playing. This - like Modernist free indirect speech - aids immersion. In non-wanky non-academic terms, it feels more *real*.

Or - and this is what people are getting pissed with and apparently struggling to articulate - you can take that ambiguity that forces your imagination to work with and participate and toss it in a dumpster, replacing it with fucking cutscenes about some bullshit Doomslay3r and his arch-angel buddies. See, when you're getting told how the story *is* rather than inventing it in your own head according to stimuli presented by the game, well, that means immersion is broken. We're not talking about you as director, writer and character in your own play anymore: you're just playing a part, a poor actor on a stage filled with farts and thunder.

Or you can disregard all that shit and just go with George Lucas syndrome, which is the manifestation of Idiot Retcon "no we wuz kings / Jedi all along but our heritage was just hidden" as opposed to telling the simple tale of poor-boy does good. Because - as in Greek Theater - it's impossible for poor people to do interesting things, especially after you've made a million dollars and made yourself an *actual* real life fucking King and need to justify your fat, lazy, gluttonous and stupid fatuous face to yourself in the mirror every day.

Where the fuck is my beer.

Anyway, that's it. Dunno about eastern story telling, I have no clue how that factors in. Since it culminated in fucking anime I'm going to assume their values and culture are worthless retarded trash and ignore it.

I spent over 200 hours in Doom 2016. Go figure if I like it or not.

Art-wise, it's a bit of a mixed bag. The hell levels are really good and really really feel like Doom but the later UAC levels are a bit too clean? Technology in Doom is supposed to be dirty, grungy, blocky and kind of outdated. I feel like some of the tech levels in Doom 2016 were a bit too clean and round looking. The first ones were great though.

Doom 2016 was a fun experience but i didn't have much interest in playing it after my first playthrough. I skipped to some random hell maps here and there for fun but it's simply not as timeless as classic doom.

Doom Eternal looks like Doom 2016 plus ridiculous brutal doom fan service. From the gameplay videos I've seen it just looks so frenetic and out of control, I don't even know how I would be able to play it. In most of Doom 2016, I didn't really feel like I had much control as it was. It felt almost as though the game were programmed to hurt you if you moved slowly or not at all. I could rarely tell what was hitting me and where from, but as long as I kept moving and glory killing stuff I held up. It felt like this almost the entire time.

Classic Doom is very clear to me what hurts and doesn't hurt and how I'm supposed to respond to each situation. Maybe I'm an old fuck but I find it hard to believe people enjoy Doom 2016 as much as they seem to. I suspect gamers get burned a lot by paying for shitty games and maybe they're so used to being disappointed that a decent Doom game is worthy of orgasmic clamor? I don't know.

I just wish I could play Doom 4 on the Nightmare difficulties with every available weapon and upgrade. Turn achievements and stats off IDC I just want to blast demons away at full power from the start and also have the brutal difficulty. Where are the cheat codes?! EDIT: Also not a fan of the save game corruption I've had dealt to me in Doom 2016 and Wolfenstein:TNO. 

I guess I just called it Doom 4 since I've been playing Doom 3 lately and while Doom 3 is a "slower" game... I actually like that about it!! All the Doom games are awesome and Doom Eternal will be too.