mayhemicdestrvctor
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Apr 6, 2022 3:31:54 GMT -5
why are you frustrated
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 10:59:01 GMT -5
I realize as a newcomer I'm not exactly privy to some of the longer history behind certain people or certain events. Despite that however I wish to voice my frustration at recent events and particularly how 40oz has handled them.
I want to say first off that I appreciate and admire 40oz as a mapper, as a person, and generally his philosophy on running the community. I can appreciate his lassiez-faire approach, and it's something I take within my own private community.
I also understand and empathize with his perspective on the very issue discussed in this thread. This is by no means an easy situation, and 40oz is put in a difficult situation that is only exacerbated with his other duties both within the Doom community and without. However, I cannot help but feel that 40oz, by refusing to take action against certain posters when flagrantly misbehaving and engaging in odious behavior, is abdicating his position as community leader.
I want to stress that I understand this is not an easy situation: Mayhemic is obviously a troubled person with significantly more difficulties in their life than an average person their age, and that it may seem unfair to suggest they be banned for, essentially, committing the crime of being neuroatypical. However, Mayhemic's needs and situation must be balanced with the needs of the greater community.
40oz's response to concerns being brought up (albeit in a rather direct way) was that he requires no outside suggestions regarding his administrative duties. 40oz certainly has the right to run his forum however he pleases, but this brushing off of concerns brought up by several people in the community strikes me as rather forceful and authoritarian. I believe this to not be intentional given 40oz's philosophy but the end result is the same.
Was the behavior on the hands of Joe, Cupcake, Pinto, and Fungi warranted? Probably not. Shitting up the forum worse is just destructive. However, I cannot help but feel that their behavior stemmed from a deep frustration regarding not having their opinions even considered, in favor of protecting a single member who, by all accounts, is progressively displaying worse etiquette and is posting troubling things.
I joined this community to participate in Doomer Board Projects in order to engage with the incredibly skilled people who make them and hone my skills as a game designer. I find it not a little troubling that these long-time members are being thrown aside for, essentially, making the suggestion that another member have some light discipline applied to them. (after all most people, including myself, voted for the option to curb their number of daily posts and to try and encourage more thoughtful ones.)
It also cannot go unnoticed that this forum is seeing a big surge in traffic in the wake of this drama. I am frankly somewhat embarrassed to be involved with a community where hate speech, bigotry, and incoherent shitposts and weird requests for directions on committing suicide from a single highly troubled developmentally-disabled kid (I say this last part as an autistic adult who was absolutely marginalized by authority figures growing up) are accepted and considered valid expression, but long-standing members asking that we maybe ask people to pump the fuckin brakes on the former are considered bullies who are, according to 40oz, "taking advantage of vulnerable people."
I'm not defending going on a forum shitting spree. I want to be here. I want to make Doom maps and watch people play and enjoy them. I want to be a part of a crew of creators who are picking up steam and fame for churning out quality work, like clockwork, on a monthly basis. There's so much good in this community. But there's some bad elements, and they need to be taken care of. I'm not saying ban people. I'm saying let's be good to each other and to everyone looking in.
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dn
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Post by dn on Apr 6, 2022 13:16:36 GMT -5
Nope, not reading all this shit. You guys can have a fucking autism thunderdome without me. Let me know who survives.
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mayhemicdestrvctor
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Apr 6, 2022 14:00:43 GMT -5
what is a autistic thunder dome ?
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Post by 40oz on Apr 6, 2022 14:08:25 GMT -5
I agree that quarantining the members was not very wise. It seemed like an emergency, and im kind of limited in what i can do in the moment. Nothing like this has happened yet before. I felt I needed to preserve the flow of communication in the rest of the forum while its going on.
The amount of growing availability that this responsibility requires isn't fitting into my life anymore. The shitposts are fun, but the stakes get higher as this forum expands.
I haven't been very consistent between my detailed/thorough/compassionate posts and the ones that are terse. I have real life emergencies that i need to give at least 95% of myself to sometimes, and they do seem more frequent. I took on a promotion at work and I have people in my life who have done much greater acts of kindness towards me than anyone on here has, and i owe them a piece of myself. My real life obligations will always come first. it really boils down to the amount of time my life allows me to give, and im sorry that its so hot and cold. i dont know what else to say about that.
In the 4000 posts that I've written on this forum I feel like I've answered every question, and I lament the need to repeat the same consolidated things in a different way every time it comes up. Often about things that havent changed. And sometimes to the same people who were actively participating in the threads where I wrote them.
In my real life I constantly write code and respond to emails with complex logic questions with urgency. I take quick glances at Doomer Boards to level myself out from all the mathematical equations and proofreading, but its not good for me when theres ongoing emergencies here.
The doom community is definitely eating itself and I can not be enough to save it. I cant find enough people who care about it like I do. Its a very delicate balance to remain composed with members who are indirect in their questions and comments towards me, while directly hurting each other, and i am not allowing that to be the way people can get my attention.
In fact, a lot of this would resolve itself if you guys had the availability to give each other more attention instead of needing it from me. Thats really what mayhem has been saying this whole time and i agree with him.
I really dont like the waves of activity that propel me into having to walk the tightrope of deciding what qualifies as acceptable banter on this forum when I consider the results of mapping and playtesting for dbp to be far more fruitful.
At some point I think I'm likely going to need to appoint somebody to be in charge of bans and answering questions. It takes having to remain withdrawn enough to analyze the content of each post independently for infringements on the TOS, while being sensitive enough to know that people are working within the faculties they have AND have the interest and availability to do that unpaid on the stupidest doom forum ever. Your reward if you do it perfectly is that only half the doom community will hate you. Thats a tall order!
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mayhemicdestrvctor
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Apr 6, 2022 14:19:58 GMT -5
i can help you doing that. i would love to help you. because youre a really good friend. and i really care about doom community very much. i would help you. and i would also be a mod for helping you with that if you need it.
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Post by 40oz on Apr 6, 2022 14:32:14 GMT -5
mayhemicdestrvctor I just need you to work on not pissing people off even without mod status.
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Apr 6, 2022 14:34:33 GMT -5
Man you don't have to apologise for putting your job above some shitty forum you run in your free time. Personally I think a lot of it would resolve itself if you weren't weirdly defensive of people who can't interact properly: vigilant (says he hates the forum... yet posts daily), mayhemic (conversation skills on the level of a 4 year old), xeep (only posts about his penis), etc. You are unwilling to take care of "antisocial" elements so the crowd is taking the matters into their own hands, this is completely healthy and natural. You actually took a step in the right direction by quarantining joe and the guys, frankly I didn't think you'd do shit. Now try something similar with the people doing that EVERY DAY ALL DAY. That said, if you need a janny I could give it a try. What's the pay? Last part's a joke but the offer is serious.
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mayhemicdestrvctor
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Apr 6, 2022 14:40:06 GMT -5
okay but i was not trying to piss some one off. did i really make some one so extremely angry and hateful ?
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Post by lunchlunch on Apr 6, 2022 15:27:53 GMT -5
I don't envy you 40oz, thanks for your contributions
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 17:48:43 GMT -5
40oz you've got a super tough time of it and I really appreciate everything you do for us. If I didn't believe in you 110% I wouldn't be here at all.
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Apr 6, 2022 19:00:21 GMT -5
Mayhemic is a nice guy and a Very good friend. he isnt rude to people and i think he is entitled to hi s own views, even if some are disagreeable to others in one way or another. Banning him would make you no better than Doomworld in my opinion.
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Apr 6, 2022 19:08:07 GMT -5
I do agree that he does take certain things way too seriously, and he says some strange things, like how he thought olderthanthehills was a demon trying to haunt him, but i am helping him with that. I hope i can help him with other things as well. im trying my best.
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Post by kvsari on Apr 6, 2022 20:00:06 GMT -5
40oz That would be hilarious to promote BIG DICK NIGGA to mod. I second it. But I have another suggestion. If the only thing you care about is making maps and the DBP's already have a good reputation.... why don't you just nuke (or perma-lock) the rest of the forum? You have demonstrated leadership in the DBP project threads in my opinion. You can place a short FAQ elucidating that this forum is a mapping gym with a strict "no socializing" rule (I have been to real-life gyms like this actually, they're the best). If people want to mingle elsewhere we can PM one another and organize to congregate elsewhere. This would lift the responsibility from you as you cannot care too much for what happens here because your real-life is far more rewarding and important. Or promote xeep-eep to mod. Seriously.
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Post by lunchlunch on Apr 6, 2022 20:04:26 GMT -5
40oz why don't you just nuke (or perma-lock) the rest of the forum? Fuck off
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Post by matador on Apr 6, 2022 20:12:51 GMT -5
But I have another suggestion. If the only thing you care about is making maps and the DBP's already have a good reputation.... why don't you just nuke (or perma-lock) the rest of the forum? You have demonstrated leadership in the DBP project threads in my opinion. You can place a short FAQ elucidating that this forum is a mapping gym with a strict "no socializing" rule (I have been to real-life gyms like this actually, they're the best). If people want to mingle elsewhere we can PM one another and organize to congregate elsewhere. This would lift the responsibility from you as you cannot care too much for what happens here because your real-life is far more rewarding and important. I'm paraphrasing as I don't remember his exact words but 40 has said that in addition to the Doom mapping side of things, he'd like us to use the forum to learn more about each other, which isn't going to happen if the forums get nuked. Conversations aren't going to start in PMs because people won't know who will even want to participate in them. Sorry man, but I think this is the worst idea expressed in this thread, which is saying a lot.
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Post by 40oz on Apr 6, 2022 20:13:21 GMT -5
kvsari I hear ya. I do like the rest of this forum a lot. I like the reading material in between breaks in mapping. It's pretty entertaining and I like learning about you guys and getting your senses of humor. I think a mapping-only forum is a little too sterile. People can't map all the time. One time I thought of a funny social experiment where I create a second forum in which everyone who registers becomes a moderator except for me and we see how long people can put up with each other without banning each other.
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Post by kvsari on Apr 6, 2022 20:21:31 GMT -5
40oz why don't you just nuke (or perma-lock) the rest of the forum? Fuck off If you really want me to go away, say it again, in the DPB thread when (if) I submit a map.
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Post by dn on Apr 6, 2022 20:26:01 GMT -5
Succinct, and perfectly represents my thoughts on doomer.boards 2.0 - Too Autistic to be Trusted to Speak in Polite Company edition.
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Apr 6, 2022 20:56:41 GMT -5
this forum is a mapping gym with a strict "no socializing" rule I don't know of a word that could adequately express how fucking based this proposal is.
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Post by lunchlunch on Apr 6, 2022 21:15:20 GMT -5
kvsariDon't be so insecure, I didn't literally mean delete your account and don't come back. I was engaging with your comment.
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Post by Washing Machine Enthusiasts on Apr 6, 2022 23:44:10 GMT -5
this forum is a mapping gym with a strict "no socializing" rule So this in website form?
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mayhemicdestrvctor
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Apr 7, 2022 2:35:48 GMT -5
i dont think we shoujld make a forum where you cannot talk to each other.
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Post by ketmar on Apr 7, 2022 2:54:32 GMT -5
i have a brilliant idea: create the script that will randomly ban and unban people. this way the forum will be ruled by the Gods themselves, and everybody will have an equal chance to be banned (or unbanned). as gods works in mysterious ways, we'll soon stop worrying about such small irrelevant things like "who should or shouldn't be banned, and why".
and now to the slightly more serious side. i don't know if this forum engine allows that, but limiting very short, very long, and very similar posts could work. now we only have to spend some years debating about what exactly "very short", "very long", and "very similar" means, and what is "appropriate limit".
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mayhemicdestrvctor
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Apr 7, 2022 2:58:01 GMT -5
XD
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