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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 14:10:30 GMT -5
2) There have been reports of short term side affects that have been both mild to severe. Mild as in "sore arm, flu like symptoms, etc.." Severe as in "heart attacks/heart inflammation, and "blood clots". Some reported were fatal. Media trying to bury this is a major red flag. 3) Internet censorship of people speaking out about these adverse reactions. Major red flag.I haven't seen this in my part of the world. All news sources I follow have reported extensively on the adverse effects, and many officials have given statements. If they do this in America, that's wack as fuck. As wack as being anti-vax. 4) Scientific data from the CDC indicates that young people have a high percent chance of surviving COVID. I'm not high risk. Even most middle aged people aren't high risk either. Unless you're a morbidly obese individual, or old with numerous medical issues (such as autoimmune issues), then I would be concerned about COVID. True but fuck lying in bed with a splitting headache for a week. Even though I'd be fine, I have better things to do with my life. For example post here about my penis. Also the fact that me and you would be fine doesn't mean everyone would. 5) Scientific data indicates that people vaccinated can still contract COVID, and people are still getting symptoms of COVID, and vaccinated people can still spread COVID to others. Absolutely useless. Quite the contrary, almost none of the vaccinated people who get COVID exhibit serious symptoms and therefore don't strain the healthcare system. this means that Covid is effectively reduced to the level of the flu or something. Very useful!!!! 1) No long term studies shown on the COVID-19 vaccine. We don't know what kind of hidden adverse affects this can have an people. True but the vaccines have been out for over half a year now and none have been detected yet. In your defence, this is not enough time to see any potential effects on future children you may have, but since you're a man, I wouldn't concern myself with that, if i were you. AFAIK the vaccine doesn't affect the male reproductive system in any way. idk about the female one. Also would you rather another year of lockdown? That's the only alternative. Well there's also just leaving everyone to die (lol) but that's schizoism. Anywayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I'm done with this thread, ping me if there are any more schizoposts. EDIT Behind a paywall but here is a clip from the google search I gotchu 12ft.io/https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/11/15/majority-anti-vaccine-ads-facebook-were-funded-by-two-groupsThanks, So it seems the other guy behind the ads is someone named Larry Cook. This guy is looking like a fucking Soy Boi to me:  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 14:13:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 14:20:25 GMT -5
Champion of the mRNA vaccines, Donald J. Trump:  The opposition, some fucking dweeb, Larry Cook:  |
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Post by Lobo on Jul 28, 2021 14:49:31 GMT -5
I read that previous attempts at mRNA vaccines were quite effective against the virus. BUT, and its a big "but", had the nasty habit of causing lung cancer in the test subjects later on. Since I assume cancers take longer than a few months to affect the individual, we'll see how things are in a year or 2 amongst the mRNA vaccinated. Where did you read this? Does it matter? The vast majority of people didn't bother their asses to do any kind of research before lining up for the shot. And at this stage I think ignorance is probably bliss: Can't untake the vaccine. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 15:02:42 GMT -5
I'm interested to know the source of that claim.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 15:05:51 GMT -5
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Post by Lobo on Jul 28, 2021 15:24:02 GMT -5
The current mRNA vaccines for covid are the first ever permitted for use in humans. Think about that when they say they are tried and trusted technology.
In fact I'm surprised it still mentions that on Wikipedia and it hasn't been whitewashed yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 15:25:27 GMT -5
The current mRNA vaccines for covid are the first ever permitted for use in humans. Think about that when they say they are tried and trusted technology. In fact I'm surprised it still mentions that on Wikipedia and it hasn't been whitewashed yet. Dude, where did you read it causes lung cancer? You said this: "I read that previous attempts at mRNA vaccines were quite effective against the virus. BUT, and its a big "but", had the nasty habit of causing lung cancer in the test subjects later on."
So what is it? it is good at fighting covid, yet it causes lung cancer? I thought that was your hang up about it. I'm just asking for the source! |
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Post by Lobo on Jul 28, 2021 15:29:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 15:31:29 GMT -5
I control-F searched both studies, and there is no word of "mRNA". These don't have anything to do with the Pfizer, and Moderna vaccines for Covid-19. |
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Post by GRUG on Jul 28, 2021 15:33:59 GMT -5
Champion of the mRNA vaccines, Donald J. Trump:
Ha ... I remember when Donald Trump believed that vaccines are linked with autism. The same talking points that some of the old leftover Democrats once believed in. Though the majority of modern Democrats reject this belief. The new GOP has taken the position of vaccine skepticism (obviously not all, but many have). If your argument is the Dems are the real anti-vaxxers, then I think you are a bit out of touch with the Paradigm shift.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 15:37:09 GMT -5
Champion of the mRNA vaccines, Donald J. Trump:
Ha ... I remember when Donald Trump believed that vaccines are linked with autism. The same talking points that some of the old leftover Democrats once believed in. Though the majority of modern Democrats reject this belief. The new GOP has taken the position of vaccine skepticism (obviously not all, but many have). If your argument is the Dems are the real anti-vaxxers, then I think you are a bit out of touch with the Paradigm shift.
This is not even a question about politics, but of medicine and data. Also, who gives a shit if the GOP is mostly for it. Most people are mid-to-low-IQ regardless of party ID. If you ask Trump today, he would be for the mRNA vaccine. Imagine it is 1922, and someone brought up Mussolini's socialist past, to use as a rhetorical device of how it conflicts with his fascist ideology. Or it is 1985, and someone brought up the fact that Reagan was a Union leader to undermine his small government ideology. People, like scientific research are dynamic, and do not remain fixed to one moment in time. These progressions are perfectly consistent with the context of change over time. When I was young, I thought differently, but as I matured, and aged, my views changed. I acquired more experiences, and I am sure I will probably feel differently about some things in the future. |
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Post by GRUG on Jul 28, 2021 15:46:00 GMT -5
This is not even a question about politics, but of medicine and data. Also, who gives a shit if the GOP is mostly for it. Most people are mid-to-low-IQ regardless of party ID. Medicine & Data has become heavily political. And yes most people have an IQ # of room temperature. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 15:56:19 GMT -5
This is not even a question about politics, but of medicine and data. Also, who gives a shit if the GOP is mostly for it. Most people are mid-to-low-IQ regardless of party ID. Medicine & Data has become heavily political. And yes most people have an IQ # of room temperature. Even if that is the case, you can read between the lines, and look at the raw data, samples, populations, etc, and make your own determinations. You won't really get the whole picture from reading it filtered through journalists. Sometimes even the abstracts and discussion sections of studies can be a bit wonky. Nevertheless, it is always important to look at the numbers and supplementary data. |
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Post by Lobo on Jul 28, 2021 16:05:26 GMT -5
"look at the raw data"
That is becoming increasingly harder: I can't find the original studies I read about mRNA issues, and the only thing I can now find are, as ContraCommando pointed out, not quite the same.
I should bookmark this stuff in the moment.
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Post by GRUG on Jul 28, 2021 16:10:38 GMT -5
If you ask Trump today, he would be for the mRNA vaccine. Imagine it is 1922, and someone brought up Mussolini's socialist past, to use as a rhetorical device of how it conflicts with his fascist ideology. Or it is 1985, and someone brought up the fact that Reagan was a Union leader to undermine his small government ideology. People, like scientific research are dynamic, and do not remain fixed to one moment in time. These progressions are perfectly consistent with the context of change over time. And I agree. But the point I was making is that there are people that have opinions on vaccines.
There is a major concern about mandatory vaccine passports to live your everyday life, which violates individual liberties. I'm against this. Medical experiments including forcing vaccinations on a population of people unwilling to take a vaccine violates Nuremberg Code. If you want to take vaccines, then go right ahead. That's the individual's choice. |
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Post by GRUG on Jul 28, 2021 16:12:05 GMT -5
Medicine & Data has become heavily political. And yes most people have an IQ # of room temperature. Even if that is the case, you can read between the lines, and look at the raw data, samples, populations, etc, and make your own determinations. You won't really get the whole picture from reading it filtered through journalists. Sometimes even the abstracts and discussion sections of studies can be a bit wonky. Nevertheless, it is always important to look at the numbers and supplementary data. And I agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 19:24:04 GMT -5
"look at the raw data" That is becoming increasingly harder: I can't find the original studies I read about mRNA issues, and the only thing I can now find are, as ContraCommando pointed out, not quite the same. I should bookmark this stuff in the moment. That is not what I meant at all. You can find the raw data and supplementary data in any scientific study at the end of the paper. It is not the same thing as not being able to find a paper that you have only seem to hear about. Even among misinformation about covid vaccines, I have never heard anyone make that claim before. But if you do happen to find it, post it so I can see it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 19:32:15 GMT -5
If you ask Trump today, he would be for the mRNA vaccine. Imagine it is 1922, and someone brought up Mussolini's socialist past, to use as a rhetorical device of how it conflicts with his fascist ideology. Or it is 1985, and someone brought up the fact that Reagan was a Union leader to undermine his small government ideology. People, like scientific research are dynamic, and do not remain fixed to one moment in time. These progressions are perfectly consistent with the context of change over time. And I agree. But the point I was making is that there are people that have opinions on vaccines.
There is a major concern about mandatory vaccine passports to live your everyday life, which violates individual liberties. I'm against this. Medical experiments including forcing vaccinations on a population of people unwilling to take a vaccine violates Nuremberg Code. If you want to take vaccines, then go right ahead. That's the individual's choice. Right, but employers have a right to mandate vaccines, which will be easier to do, once the Covid vaccines get full FDA approval in the fall. They say Pfizer can get it as soon as September. People have a right to not get vaccinated, but it doesn't mean they can't be fired. Why should they offer healthcare to people like that? |
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Post by Lobo on Jul 29, 2021 3:20:21 GMT -5
From the Nuremberg code:
"as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 4:50:40 GMT -5
Let's put aside the fact that there are already mandates from federal, state, and private companies for the Covid-19 vaccines, with more to come after FDA approval.
Who is going to enforce international law against the US? A European tribunal, all the countries we have our military in, and want to have mandates themselves? Great powers do what they want, i.e. might makes right. A, because of their sovereignty, and b, because there is no world police department. There was a lot of hand wringing about Bush invading Iraq, and China committing genocide, but nobody can do jack shit about it.
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Post by Justince on Jul 29, 2021 17:10:26 GMT -5
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1419653002818990085.htmlThis just leaked recently. I'll put in my two cents after I get a laugh at how the programmed drones of this forums spin this one. Here's a few takeaways: *Pfizer itself admits the vaccine's effectiveness is completely unknown. Also admits the side-effects are unknown. They have no liability either way which is standard fare. *Even if another, better medication is found you can't break the contract. *Pfizer can change the terms of delivery, quantity or expediency at their whim, with no oversight. *The vaccine can't be refunded or returned for any reason. *The contract is to be kept confidential for no less than 10 years, 30 years in Israel (which paid magnitudes more per dose than any other nation). This is corporate extortion, there's no other word for it. It violated the Emergency Use Authorization by ignoring ivermectin as a legit, effective treatment because the United States is contractually obligated to fuck over it's own people at the behest of Pfizer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 22:10:37 GMT -5
Let's hope Russian one is proven real then, cause that'll be a real win for Russia, and because I also took the first half and soon will be taking the second half (yeah, despite all talk about vaccination, I actually do intend to get vaccinated myself, cause them damn restrictions and well, it might just work after all). And this also makes me think there is some political shit involved in not accepting Russian vaccine by EU and Russia not accepting anything else but their own. Except in Russian case, Russia actually does the right thing. By the way, the telegram channel has a document with Brazil, but I failed to read any interviews he published when he got blocked on Twitter the freeworldnews.tv is working, it's one other that got "can't access it" by Cloudflare, either Cloudflare blocking it (cunts) or the party behind the real server. Here is the interview (hope I typed link right): freeworldnews.tv/watch?id=61019c34a6e4831894d10788Contains also ads for vegetables. Anyway, here is the guys blog so you can find interviews from there: senseofawareness.com |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 22:28:13 GMT -5
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1419653002818990085.htmlThis just leaked recently. I'll put in my two cents after I get a laugh at how the programmed drones of this forums spin this one. Here's a few takeaways: *Pfizer itself admits the vaccine's effectiveness is completely unknown. Also admits the side-effects are unknown. They have no liability either way which is standard fare. *Even if another, better medication is found you can't break the contract. *Pfizer can change the terms of delivery, quantity or expediency at their whim, with no oversight. *The vaccine can't be refunded or returned for any reason. *The contract is to be kept confidential for no less than 10 years, 30 years in Israel (which paid magnitudes more per dose than any other nation). This is corporate extortion, there's no other word for it. It violated the Emergency Use Authorization by ignoring ivermectin as a legit, effective treatment because the United States is contractually obligated to fuck over it's own people at the behest of Pfizer. Is this shit even real? I don't see anyone at all reporting on it, not even outlets that are skeptical of covid vaccines. It is already 4 days old. How the fuck is it completely unknown, when a peer-reviewed medical study confirms the effectiveness? If it is not effective, why THE FUCK are people unvaccinated almost 100% of who are dying? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 22:41:38 GMT -5
And why wouldn't it be, the contract states that vaccine's effectiveness or side effects were not known at the time it was issued, and all countries signed it and obliged to combat any attempts to disparage the vaccine. Basically, the vaccine was bought before testing properly started. Your peer-reviewed medical study is of no consequence, since it must have come later than the vaccine was bought and began being used on masses.
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