Doom community happenings

dmdr, thank you for providing an insight of what's going on in the West. It should indeed be understood that we live in totally different cultures. Which is why I brought the point that Shadowman can't read DW forums really, his knowledge of English is limited, he can't really gain understanding by other countries culture except through lenses which other Russian people provide. The same would be true to people not speaking Russian trying to understand Russian. Even I, am only one Russian, and not really a representative of common population.

And meanwhile, one person on the Russian forum posted a poem, a satire, which I attempted to translate. Note this is only one person, and my translation is NOT accurate, so it would be incorrect to judge the person or the Russian forum based on the translation I am giving here. It actually had a lot of rhyme that I couldn't preserve in translation, although tried to.

Disclaimer: The person in question, or any other Russian person, did not authorize the translation via public statement or via contacting me. This translation is solely my doing.



In original, Jabba wannabe was called "недожаба", a half-frog, "жаба" means a toad (frog that lives in swamp) and also sounds similar to "(Д)жабба" (Jabba), while "недо" is a derogatory prefix that can be appended to the beginning of any word to mean a "failing attempt to be/imitate/substitute something/someone", which something/someone is indicated by a word that is so prefixed. This wordplay can't be conveyed in translation, so I settled for a Jabba-wannabe.

The other people at a Russian forum didn't not yet comment on this poem. The person who wrote it is aware that they may be posting off-topic, but stated that the happenings on DW made him experience a "facepalm", that these happenings simply cannot be taken seriously, thus his satyrical reply. I personally don't approve of insults (I consider it to be below myself to alter someone's nickname to mock them), but share the overall opinion.

Also: the notion of Shadowman being a fascist is especially laughable, given that he is likely a communist.

@vigilantdoomer Let's be honest - that person was me. I am not hiding from anyone, neither here, nor on Doomworld. Not Jabba can even ban me, if he wishes to do so - because by banning Shadowman, he also insulted me as well. Fine, be his way
And yes, initially I would prefer not to mock DW's moderator, BUT! He twice locked the topics about "big bad Shadowman" before I was able to reply in any of them. Also, seems to me that he lacks any ability for normal, adequate discussions, and gives warnings to those who dare to question his logic. Not Jabba, if you read this - I'm sorry, but your actions do speak for themselves. You've lost all respect I had for you (though the question "did I have any respect for him" still stays in force...), hence the satire.
And I assume you are also registered on RDC? (I don't bite & not a predator, don't you worry )

@wereknight , nice to see you back here, man. Hope one day you'll surprise us to the maximum extent

I have a lot of thoughts about this Shadowman incident and I don't have the energy to write everything down right now, so I'll just say that this is making me quite upset. I feel like at some point in the recent years, not sure when exactly, we've hit a point of no return. Maybe it happened two days ago. Maybe when 40oz got banned from Doomworld, which kinda established Doomer Boards as the opposite camp. Maybe when Linguica decided to get rid of the old guard (like Technician and darknation). I'm not sure. All I know is that I don't see any hopes of the Doom community reuniting again. It will now be forever divided for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with the game itself, which is the saddest part. It wasn't supposed to end up like this...

That's actully a problem of many people outside of Internet, in real life. Most simplistic way to tell it is to point at United States Foreign countries politics and doctrines and you'll see what I mean.

If not, I'll explain at basic level: those who never want to know the truth of another person are doomed to be arrogant self-assured assholes that always would think they are right at their ways of making world "better".

And this "better" kills what was lest of sane mind of masses.

Putting it in more common way: if you feel you're right - you're not. Nobody's right, because everyone thinks he's only right one.

morpheuskitami,
You are sure about how people react when you cannot see, in your own words? Refer to the post directly above yours. Your previous position " Just sounds to me like the guy's an edgelord, but what do I know?" was a better balanced one - you knew you could be wrong.

There are too many people at DW to pass a judgement on them all. With the way DW staff acts, there may be people who simply don't dare to publicly express their actual views, and the quantity of these people is unknown. Even "DW staff" is a generalization, there may be closet dissidents among their crew, still.

dmdr, his wads depict more male torture than female one. The Cheogsh 2 is full of Quake/Quake2 textures and sprites and sounds which depict torture of various kinds. For example, Quake 2 had section with captured marines that you can finish off. The Cheogsh 2 uses precisely the sounds they make and gives you the same choice, although it uses Doom marine graphics for these. There are also Quake sprites for marines hanging on the cross and yelling "Help". Later you meet one of captured marines who advises you to finish them off as a mercy gesture.

So define "edgy". Do you consider Quake 2 to be edgy? And what of Doom 2 sprites that were obviously made off real photographs (the twitching hanging corpses)? Are they edgy, then?

Yours and other mistake is in thinking he "hates" those characters he tortures. He is not. He tries to establish the setting by making villains do things they would be expected to do, torture people. Just like Quake 2 showed Stroggs torture, convert or decompose captives. In medieval times, women were tortured, if the setting is medieval, then tortured women may be part of the setting.

I already tried to say this before: this new culture of "avoiding edginess" is inherently incompatible with the culture behind all Doom and Quakes games. Doom and Quake deliberately included naturalistic portrail of torture, it is one of defining characteristic of Doom and Quake games.

I've said my piece on this, and as such, for a rare breed of connoisseurs for an ancient video game, Doomers really don't treat each other with enough love and respect. In doomworld's fight for an americanized vision of total inclusivity, a lot of people (particularly the type of people likely to be attracted to a game like Doom in the first place) get thrown aside like trash.

As cut and dry as I can make it, being banned from doomworld is just having your posting privileges taken away, which in the grand scheme of things, is a small fraction of what being a doom community member is all about. But I can attest, it certainly does feel like the right to communicate with your fellow doomers is a fundamental aspect of the community experience and has a way of making one feel even more invisible than they may already have.

I welcome our new Doomer Boards members and will fight alongside with you because unlike doomworld has represented through their actions and groupthink, I don't believe being respectful of disenfranchised / minority groups and nurturing your existing members are mutually exclusive pursuits.

Hah. As suspected, doomers of quality write poetry.

Not much in translation I can do for the frog-jabba metaphor conundrum. Although I will offer up the wonderful Scottish term "jobbie jabber", with is both a synonym for & rhymes with "shit stabber".

Has anyone played the modern Tomb Raider games? Like seriously? The ones where Lara is crushed, shot, stabbed, impaled, choked out, drowned, mauled.. the list goes on. All in high graphical fidelity. Sort of makes cartoony sprites from some Russian nationalist look pretty fucking tame. I suspect Not Jabba's campaign against the evil people who created the game for their psychological damage they've inflicted on millions of players who don't have to go digging through obscure Doom wads to find images of Lara being killed over and over to begin any day now. Unless of course he's a faggot hypocrite who doesn't believe in a single thing he's doing...but what are the odds of that?

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I swear we used to rent this game just so we could faceplant Tits McGee into concrete over and over and over again, giggling like idiots while we did so.

I'd apologize for being immature, but - if I had known it was Not Jabba's waifu getting splattered across the cobbles like a sack of broken bones and seagull shit - I would have found a taller mountain.

dmdr, sorry, I've reread your and my posts, and now undestand why you were offering Shadowman's statement as a rebuttal of mine. I made an incorrect generalization: "Yours and other mistake is in thinking he "hates" those characters he tortures. " which could be interpreted as "he never hates the characters he tortures", to which interpretation you offered a valid rebuttal. However, it was me introducing a fallacious/imprecise argument, so we should retract it and start anew.

I've found a better argument against Shadowman being an edgelord. It's a third installment of Cheogsh trilogy: Realm of Cheogsh. This installment was criticised by Demonologist (who is/was known both on RDC and Doomworld) for being not dark enough compared to its predecessor, Cheogsh 2. Proof - i.iddqd.ru/viewtopic.php?p=22023#22023
of which I will translate the relevant statements only:

to which Shadowman replied - here (https://i.iddqd.ru/viewtopic.php?p=22055#22055) - again I include only the relevant part


and a reply by Demonologist was (https://i.iddqd.ru/viewtopic.php?p=22059#22059):


So, in the case of third installment of Cheogsh trilogy, Shadowman deliberately stepped down from darkness and seriousness of its predecessor towards humor, a choice that was criticised by other people. The hares song and "Island of Bad Luck" were indeed cheezy - as they were from comedy film, and to foreign audience they were just "wtf, the mood does not fit at all with what I am doing".

I keep referencing Cheogsh trilogy because they are the only big projects by Shadowman I played fully, and the first two - also repeatedly (the third really gets hard toward the end with platforming and monsters shooting at you from far away, so I haven't replay it second time yet).

In short - even if some of the content Shadowman incorporated was edgy (which is subjective category anyway), it was only a fraction of his content. His wads in general reference historical events and incorporate cultural influences which are sometimes about violence, but sometimes are even completely opposite of it, being of comedic nature. In case of Realm of Cheogsh Shadowman made a deliberate decision against the edginess - he thought the game shouldn't take itself too seriously.

Now, how does that fit with the theory of Shadowman being edgelord? I feel like it is easy to take some isolated incidents of one's life, look at them with a magnifying glass, and then arrive at a conclusion that will be completely at odds with some other events in that person's life. There is enough facts to support the theory of him being an edgelord and enough to support the theory him being a comedian... if you throw away the facts that fit the opposing theory.

To me, it seems, Shadowman simply likes to include references to stuff external to the game.