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Post by 40oz on Jul 3, 2020 18:29:16 GMT -5
@vigilantdoomer Not Jabba wrote a very nice review for some of our Doomer Boards Projects in there. He really didnt have to do that but that's a really kind gesture. It also helps draw attention to lesser known projects that are worth your attention. He just really likes writing about what he plays. I think it's a pretty big reach to suggest thats condescending or a power move of sorts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 18:36:00 GMT -5
40oz, ok. Then the thing that remains is that I am upset at the way he handled some topics (of which I gave an example not related to recent events or moderation), and this is unlikely to change. But everyone is of course free to make opinion for themselves.As for that topic, since I can't stand him, I don't really read the topic. I ignore it when I see it. So I didn't know he wrote nice review for DBPs. EDIT: that only concerns the proofs I brought, though. That they are not definitive. The latest stuff being *power trip* case is still probable. Remember, this could have been settled in private, but Not Jabba said he wouldn't even try to contact Shadowman. EDIT2: nah, fuck it. This guy is toxic and really promotes the opinion we are alt-right board that is only tolerated when it releases good wads (which he posted in one of DBP threads on DW). His actions are not even remotely defendable from my POV.
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Post by 40oz on Jul 3, 2020 20:14:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 20:49:01 GMT -5
To summarize
Although at the beginning of her post the "social media" was narrowly defined so as not to include forums, and I never understood whether all uses of "social media" of her post are strictly within that definition, but the points I cited above are the points I agree. I'd sort forums into being one of instances of "social media", though.
In any way, Byron Bernstein, rest in peace.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 10:49:27 GMT -5
At least one person actually got warning in the topic 40oz has linked. And they don't get the reason behind it (I too, couldn't figure it out quickly, and for now it remains mystery to me). [/p] Attachment Deleted
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The warning system itself looks quite spooky to me. Good thing I don't face it on DB. Or at least have not yet, with a way certain topic here went I can't be sure where I stand after making every single post. I am now in a constant fear of saying something that can be judged as inappropriate by someone else, with this not known or predictable by me until it happens. Currently, I am like a man who thinks every car is out there to get him (and for some time in real life it was something I really thought). Paranoia is a learned behaviour, by the way - I have managed to overcome it in real life back then, but now here we are at it, in constant fear saying something may be seen as insensitive to others and that repercussions will come.
I think it's time for some people in that other topic to realize they are responsible for my current condition. For after all, your words affect me in a very negative way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 11:59:04 GMT -5
UPD: the post I cited was deleted from doomworld. It is unknown to me which party has deleted it.
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Post by leegsy on Jul 4, 2020 15:20:48 GMT -5
That was me who received that warning and my account was also suspended for 2 days. I had linked a YT video in one of my responses in that thread and it was the Joe Rogan podcast that featured Tim Poole and the Twitter executives and that video was deleted and it was claimed by a moderator that I was "promoting conspiracy theories". ibb.co/3hSxwyL
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Post by 40oz on Jul 4, 2020 15:43:01 GMT -5
I watched that video back when it was released. Tim Pool was a pretty big dork on that episode but man what a bogus warning. I do like twitter but it is a massive corporation that warrants being criticized.
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Post by leegsy on Jul 4, 2020 16:01:14 GMT -5
I always thought a moderator was supposed to be unbiased and was there to keep the peace and make sure every one was following the rules of whatever website they were using but it seems on DW there are mods who just delete things they don't agree with personally which is clearly showing bias. I like DW but during the past month there have been several threads that have been locked for no clear reasons. I also said in that thread that Twitter clearly favours people on the left of the political spectrum and that comment was deleted too for the same reason.
It's disturbing to me that moderators on DW can just delete comments made by other users without giving a reason. That's not what happened to me but a mod on that site could be in an argument with another user and then the mod deletes their own comments and can make it look like a user had been attacking them for no reason. I don't even know who the moderators of DW are. Usually on a site like that there will be a list of administrators and moderators on case you need to contact one of them for whatever reason but I don't think there is anything like that on DW.
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Post by optimus on Jul 8, 2020 5:13:42 GMT -5
Hah,. I have been playing now through Ascension a lot, finally reached the aforementioned easter egg (still playing on 1.1) and I am even less convinced now it was worth for SJWs to cry about it. Yes,. it made me more pissed because it didn't fit out of place (other than Lara Croft being from another universe, but that's all your easter eggs). Playing so much through the whole world, when I reach this, it seems minimal and it even fits (considering there are already tortured bodies all over the place and this one is a secret tomb). I never felt for even a tiny that it doesn't fit (it's an easter egg and there is a funnier one of Memka's face appearing and some disco music or something with girls dancing). Easter eggs are out of context anyway. And this one is meh,. it fits the tomb atmosphere and everything, it's surprising as how easter eggs should be. I wouldn't have even thought of anything if I had encountered it without all this controversy. It wouldn't even have passed from my mind that this innocent easter egg would be grand masogany and the only thing standing out badly in the game world. I am not gonna take seriously all these SJW rants anymore, because deeply behind them I know what people are thinking, and it's not honest.
As Doomworld likes to say: Welcome to the Ultra Progressive world. Enjoy your stay!
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Post by 40oz on Jul 8, 2020 14:59:49 GMT -5
optimus your giving them too much credit. Don't put too much stock into what they say and instead watch what they do. Doomworld is not progressive. Its a charade, a defense mechanism to deflect from the way they normalize bullying people out of the doom community. I called it out in the last big doom community happening back in April and its happening again here. Reminder that what I'm talking about has nothing to do with my feelings about my work being reused or repurposed by other people. I'm fine with that. Its that the culture and management of doomworld willingly advocates for turning specific doomers into pariahs and justifies bashing them and humiliating them. Tangent:
Its happened to a bunch of people. If were arguing about whether or not the person deserves it, i dont care about the semantics. I think all doomers deserve forgiveness and understanding and were never going to reach a middle ground here.
-gggmork for imcomprehensible posting -george fiffy for being a cocky mapper and elevator nerd -capodecima for trolling and repeat ban evasion -sigvatr for keyboard goop and repeat ban evasion -Joe-ilya whenever he would map for community projects -bloodite krypto and okuplok for faking demos -sgtmarkiv for using resources without permission and a single suicide joke -graf zahl for being stubborn about vanilla compatibility or whatever it is people dont like him for. -kontra Kommando and the original bunch of doomer boards members for being alt right
Just to run off a quick list off the top of my head
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Post by Justince on Jul 8, 2020 16:26:46 GMT -5
40 is absolutely right. There's no 'progress' at Doomworld, only lockstep and thought-police.
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Post by blockmap_fail on Jul 12, 2020 6:31:18 GMT -5
I absolutely can't stand the smug arrogant attitude ZDoom forum moderators treat their members with, and when you tell them they're being cunts they pull the lame old defensive card of "petty wars". well no shit, I'm not going to let some dumb moron act superior and treat me like an insect just because they don't like being told they're being cunts. I don't care if you've helped develop the best sourceport ever, still doesn't justify being a dick.
Worst part is they seem to have followers who agree to whatever they say so if you dare criticize, you become the villain, idiots don't realize they're being used, some weird shit happening in that forum, and it seems this type of behavior is leaking to DW too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 10:22:45 GMT -5
blockmap_fail, Welcome! It's amazing how you pulled all those words into a single sentence, a bit painful to read though. You might also want to post introduction thread in "Thy Flesh Consumed" subforum (https://doomer.boards.net/board/16/off-topic-forum). It's entirely optional, though.
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Post by thundercunt on Jul 12, 2020 11:28:37 GMT -5
nice, now we have people bitching about zdoom forums too
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Post by 40oz on Jul 12, 2020 13:34:16 GMT -5
Yeah ive heard ZDoom forums has gotten very prickly over the years. Hope you enjoy your stay here, blockmap_fail!!
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Post by printz on Jul 13, 2020 9:30:10 GMT -5
optimus your giving them too much credit. Don't put too much stock into what they say and instead watch what they do. Doomworld is not progressive. Its a charade, a defense mechanism to deflect from the way they normalize bullying people out of the doom community. I called it out in the last big doom community happening back in April and its happening again here. Reminder that what I'm talking about has nothing to do with my feelings about my work being reused or repurposed by other people. I'm fine with that. Its that the culture and management of doomworld willingly advocates for turning specific doomers into pariahs and justifies bashing them and humiliating them. Tangent:
Its happened to a bunch of people. If were arguing about whether or not the person deserves it, i dont care about the semantics. I think all doomers deserve forgiveness and understanding and were never going to reach a middle ground here.
-gggmork for imcomprehensible posting -george fiffy for being a cocky mapper and elevator nerd -capodecima for trolling and repeat ban evasion -sigvatr for keyboard goop and repeat ban evasion -Joe-ilya whenever he would map for community projects -bloodite krypto and okuplok for faking demos -sgtmarkiv for using resources without permission and a single suicide joke -graf zahl for being stubborn about vanilla compatibility or whatever it is people dont like him for. -kontra Kommando and the original bunch of doomer boards members for being alt right
Just to run off a quick list off the top of my head
The examples shown in the spoiler simply show Doomworld's lower tolerance towards spamming. A few of the examples there also tended to be confrontational or were trying to post forbidden content, and they lived long enough until either the admins got fed up, or the posters started going with insults, which broke the last straw. King REoL's elevator posting was just peculiar blog stuff. What was more annoying was when he was posting political stuff, or uninteresting spam. Wasn't Sigvatr's posting quite unstable? Sometimes he would be on topic and make great content, other times he would shitpost. SMIV is still there, he just posts less. Sure there are people who by principle will never forgive him, but if he stays on topic, the admins will keep him. I don't speak for admins directly, but on reading their posts, they don't seem hellbent on witchhunts. Graf Zahl is still there. Some people don't agree with him. Others are fine with him because they love GZDoom. The alt-right group? Well being right-wing is not a problem by itself. Stuff like capitalism, free market, competition and so on are good. Except that the world needs more balance than that. Pretty sure if some humanitarian problem happens and someone posts a thread about it, and you start to throw your alt-right opinions, by their nature your theories will almost always look like speaking from a high horse. This kind of lecturing can get annoying over the time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 7:00:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 8:02:09 GMT -5
Imagine coming face to face with someone you don't like that you can't mute, kick, shadowban, ban, or disqualify from speaking in any way. That would be so tragic! To hear them tell you why they have a problem with you while having no moderation powers to stop it! No way to shut the other person's silly mouth from holding you responsible for your actions! Horrifying!
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Post by dn on Aug 13, 2020 8:59:51 GMT -5
what the fuck is a Not Jabba and why does it make these foolish noises once every two months?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 9:33:14 GMT -5
I mean that post may be 6 years old but I'm still gonna mock it for being "supreme gentlemen" as fuck lmao.
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Post by Doomguy 2000 on Aug 13, 2020 9:53:20 GMT -5
So the guy doesn't do anything and gets banned just because of the message he put in one of the levels?
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Post by morpheuskitami on Aug 13, 2020 19:12:36 GMT -5
Wasn't Shadowman the guy who did Inquisitor 3D and those other wads that were recently under fire for being "torture porn"? Just sounds to me like the guy's an edgelord, but what do I know? Also, what the hell is that Darkmaster guy's avatar and why is it allowed on a forum that seems as dandy-ish as Doomworld?
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Post by dn on Aug 13, 2020 19:45:11 GMT -5
He's not an edgelord, he's just a common / garden variety Russian. здоровьe to our glorious komrades, may your Vodka be forever free of grain and your trigger warnings be attached to actual fucking bullets in the near future.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 22:43:59 GMT -5
morpheuskitami, - Shadowman is not edgy by Russian standards. - Shadowman barely knows any English, can't read Doomworld, and other people translate the dialogues to English for him. - Absolutely no one on the Russian forum supports the actions and opinion of Doomworld staff has taken regarding Shadowman. This includes all previous incidents. - Shadowman has won a Cacoward at least once, for Cheogsh wad, and the two next installments in trilogy were runner-ups. Both of the latter installments incorporated elements of either Russian or Soviet culture. In regards to "antimaydan" - the majority of Russian don't support the events on Ukraine, and don't want a revolution in their own country - that is Russia. There is a widespread fear in Russia that foreign agency wants maydan to happen in Russia, so Shadowman's statement in the Whitemare 2 map is about defending Russia homeland from revolution. This is our fucking country, get it. Russian people have every right not to support a revolution in their own country, and despise foreign provocateurs who are encouraging/supporting it or consider it acceptable. We (I am talking about Russians, since I too am a Russian) also have no reason to respect Pussy Riot - even as an atheist and anti-religious person, and even a dissident, I condemn Pussy Riot's actions, because the church-goers have the right to expect non-believers not to intrude in the place were they willingly go to pay respect to their beliefs (in fact, they have the right to expect all visitors to act according to the faith). I would also condemn the same actions if they went to hold unwanted demonstation in a bar, because if people who go there don't want your actions, you should not go there and disturb the people. So far as no one in the bar or a church or whatever other place violates the law, there is no reason a third-party intrusion would be morally acceptable. It is not for me to decide whether Pussy Riot should have been civilly or criminally responsible, but their actions were absolutely and undoubtfully beyond the limits of respectful human behaviour. So, the Doomworld's user, gum of hate: He is totally wrong, except the nickname he has chosen aptly describes himself. Yes, gum of hate, you are exactly a gum of hate, a possible provocateur, and I hope you never cross the Russian border, or if you do, you are immediately arrested as a foreign agent for incitement to revolution in Russia. That would teach you a lesson of how to project your worldview on others, for sure Russian government is fond of that too, and will reply symmetrically indeed in your case - just as you wrongfully believe Shadowman's statement to be regarding protesters, by the same logic you can be treated as a provocateur of war and revolution. Perhaps I should wish that you do travel to Russia (instead of hoping you don't), and actually experience the consequences, so that you may (hopefully) learn to empathize with others. As for Not Jabba, his dishonourable character was revealed to me by this thread some time ago: www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103663-for-the-love-of-god-stop-speeding-up-monster-projectiles/While I do not agree with the topic starter about what the mappers should do, I understand his - topic starter - opinion is based on his personal grief, so one should address it with that in mind. Like xdarkmasterx did. Why the post by Not Jabba reveals him as dishonourable? He fails to express compassion towards someone obviously taking a low ground, and instead hubristically stomps them, like in a Nietzche's infamous advice about kicking a falling guy. I always considered a man of honour to be someone who uses his strength to protect the weak, those incapable of defending themselves, and only challenges those whom he consider to be equal or even superior, rather than using his strength advantage to oppress those incapable of defending themselves. By acting the way he did, Not Jabba reveals himself not to be a man of honour, definitely not in the way I was taught in my childhood anyway, in folk stories about Russian bogatyr. Thus it also becomes apparent that when Not Jabba is pretending to be defending someone, that his actions constitute a political agenda, his compassion (if he is at all capable of feeling it) reserved for those of the same political views, or those whom his political views demand him to defend. And which actions he has to undertake so that he is continued to be seen as part of that political discourse, because being a part of that political discourse is what grants him the sympathy of the crowd, his referrent social group, where he established himself as an authority (a moderator, as I recently came to know). Where he a humanist, instead, he would be inclined to treat all humans with respect, and that would include the Cynical guy, and, as of late, the Shadowman guy. Note that I don't imply that he attacked Cynical because he has opposing political views - which was not the case - rather I am stating that Not Jabba wouldn't defend anybody unless there is a suitable political motive. That is, his action are not rooted in virtues such as honour and fairness. Perhaps this should also explain my own actions of seemingly supporting opposing views (such as by supporting individuals I had previously a quarrel with, or arguing against individuals who I am friends with) in this forum's debates, for the root of my action is not some agenda, but my understanding of fairness. I support what is fair as opposed to what some polician or political agency ("left" or "right"), priest or religion declares to be a worthy case to support. I am neither leftist or rightist, I treat both as a kinds of wrong. There is no truth is in politics, because taking a stance against someone of opposing political views because they have opposing political views is at odds with what fairness inclines one to do. dn, I'll drink to your health too. I shall add that I consider you a noble man, and by your actions - in not making hasty moderatorial decisions, in thinking hard (and willingness to do that) before any moderatorial decision you make - set an example of character all other forum members should strive to have.
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