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Post by dn on Apr 29, 2023 12:53:40 GMT -5
Anyone else want to flick through the first 25K? I'm gearing up to start part 2 of this great debacle, but further input before this fucked steamroller starts rolling again is welcome.
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Post by dn on Jul 30, 2023 7:44:26 GMT -5
Quick update: the project is not dead. It has, however, slowed somewhat. I knew the next couple of chapters were going to be a bitch, but man, they have actually been a psychic fucking arse-ache. My brain has reached it limit, re: esoteric cross-referencing and setup. Turns out there are only so many plates I can keep in the air at once without starting to drop them, so I needed a better system for keeping notes. #1 is still useful: I have physical, hand-written notes separated chapter-by-chapter, which is good when in the actual process of writing but... not so good when it comes to remembering WTF I was doing six chapters ago with some bullshit, half-conceived metaphor. The new shit I am doing is better. My artist was... struggling. Not with the art, but with the artsy-fartsy English wankery I am concerned with here. So I decided to make up some notes for him, spend an hour putting a few annotations into the text here and there, something to help him avoid any actual fucking research and allow him to get on with the principle task in hand, i.e: making me some pretty fucking pictures. Then I wrote 4000 words of notes for one chapter. Which seems excessive (and is), but might actually be the way forward when it comes to organization. I'm essentially writing a fucking dissertation on my own novel as I write it, which *might* just be fucking crazy enough to work. If nothing else, it's evidence that I have finally went off the fucking deep-end with this shit. Take a gander: not often Oz the Gweat and Twerrible pulls back the curtain to let you see the actual, beating guts of the patent-pending retard machine. docs.google.com/document/d/1wofyOZYKUXg9r2cYpVCFiYrpEYT6p-Gr5Pet7yRR48M/edit?usp=sharing
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Post by use3d on Aug 3, 2023 13:45:49 GMT -5
I've got it dn, I'll give you some feedback asap (though the content might be a tad esoteric for my American-educated sponge brain)!
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Aug 3, 2023 15:28:08 GMT -5
You're having a lot more fun jerking yourself off writing this than anyone ever will reading it.
I did like the less self-masturbatory parts like the little tangent about the Mercedes and everything after that. Also I imagine Ziggie to be very fuckable
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Post by dn on Aug 4, 2023 0:28:05 GMT -5
I've got it dn, I'll give you some feedback asap (though the content might be a tad esoteric for my American-educated sponge brain)! This pleases me.
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Post by dn on Aug 4, 2023 0:34:37 GMT -5
You're having a lot more fun jerking yourself off writing this than anyone ever will reading it. I did like the less self-masturbatory parts like the little tangent about the Mercedes and everything after that. Also I imagine Ziggie to be very fuckable Currently, these chapters have been about as much fun to write as self-exploratory pile surgery. As for Ziggie... She's darknation wearing a wig and a pair of bolt-ons. Your taste in women continues to be abysmal.
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Post by dn on Aug 8, 2023 15:37:35 GMT -5
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Post by dn on Sept 4, 2023 19:11:06 GMT -5
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Honestly, fuck this fucking shit. Two months, it's still not finished to my satisfaction, but I want this shit out of my fucking work pile so I can move on and feel like I'm actually making progress again.
(edit: better, newer version posted below)
Not happy with it, for reasons I will attempt to codify later (I'll have to - if I want to fix this fucking thing then I'm going to need to be able to actively articulate where it's going wrong). But, whatever, there it is. Fuck it, honestly.
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Post by dn on Oct 9, 2023 20:23:32 GMT -5
BLARTISFRAT IV: THE QUEEF OF PISS
C8 redux: Post Mortem
Another rewrite. I think I'm getting closer to the edge now, I can see the shape the final draft of the chapter will take: improvements abound, I no longer hate the fucking thing.
Resolving the Briefcase Willie / Shitbag Billy character: as per the notes, I wasn't happy with the general aura of homophobia in the chapter. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with Prot being an irredeemable arsehole, it's entirely in character for him. But... Well, the attitude was starting to bleed through into the prose itself, it just felt super-saturated, everything was drenched in it to the detriment of the writing.
My initial instinct to wind it back (to restrict it to the Prot character – to have Gambit & his father possessed of a more charitable disposition) was only half right, but also felt somehow dishonest. If (god help me) the book is semi-autobiographical, then certain experiences and truths shouldn't be plastered over for fear of offence. Gambit's brother *was* possessed of a predatory disposition irl: that he was also gay ought to be moot.
The solution I came up with was to blend two irl people together; Keith was a prime candidate, because that cunt was absolutely indefensible.
I'm writing this offline, and will be posting it from work. so linking to the various shitshows that comprised the life of <REDACTED>'s Brother the fucking Gun Running Furry is currently beyond me: if there's interest, I'll post the receipts later. But this guy was a fucking crazy, bad, stupid mother-fucker. A dipshit of the highest order. Here, for posterity, is the life story of a fucking retard.
<REDACTED>'s brother (I can't keep calling him that... let's call him Furfag) was born under an inauspicious star to parents of questionable quality. The father was a school principle (and Furfag attended that self-same school – I imagine that might fuck you up a bit) and the mother was an alcoholic. Like, a weapons grade alcoholic: I have suspicions about some of the kids having fetal alcohol syndrome. Vodka for breakfast, that kind of alcoholic.
The father died young: he was one of those Scots who never got the memo about gingers avoiding the sun, and so spent the school holidays decked out in speedos in the back garden, turning his skin lobster-red beneath the rays of an unkind sun. He basically managed to speedrun skin cancer and died shortly thereafter.
This turned an already unstable family situation into a complete shitshow.
Brother #1 ran away, got married, and managed to live a life that wasn't a complete catastrophe. Brother #3 stayed home to look after his vodka-soaked mother, whilst simultaneously developing his own massive fucking alcohol habit. And Furfag...
Well, fucksake. It's not often someone I know fucks up hard enough to make the international press, but here we are.
We don't need to get into the ins-and-outs of furries here: I have already made my opinions on those members of the furry fandom abundantly (link) fucking clear (link). But this guy took it to the next level: after spending the first half of his life terminally online developing a series of increasingly implausible fictional personas, he took it to the next level entirely. Keith (fuck it, that was his name) saw the writing on the wall when his father died and his mother went A1 batshit insane and decided to fucking bail. But where does a young gay furfag with no money, no marketable skills (save sucking dog cock) and no education *go* to escape insanity and responsibility?
Easy. He goes to fucking Canada.
There are a few theories as to how he managed to become a citizen of that august nation state: the first is that Canada is just Israel for furfags, it's like the Dark Brotherhood in Oblivion: you automatically get a green card in the post the first time you fuck the family Labrador.
The second (and most likely, imho) theory is that he met a woman online and the two set out to defraud each other. Keith befriended and seduced the woman online in order to get his citizenship: lavender marriage, &c. And the young innocent woman in question neglected to inform Keith that she was fucking nearly sixty years old.
El o El. Internet dating, am i rite?
Of course, there is a third option, and Keith just wasn't really all that fussy. G-milf and green card as a package deal: the fact that she lived on a farm was probably just icing on the cake.
And off the young furfag fucks into the wild wide world: what happened next we've pieced together from eye witnesses, RIP Keith threads on various furry forums, police reports, and the international fucking media. Keith never bothered to speak to his family in Scotland again, so that's what we've got.
1) Lies Turns out young Keith was a very, very accomplished liar. As in, I doubt there was a sentence he uttered from the age of 13 onwards that wasn't at least 10% bullshit. Turns out that, once you've convinced yourself that you are a fox trapped inside a man's body, lying about everything else is piss easy.
The old argument: you can use the internet to escape from an unhappy life, and this is just harmless escapism. The truth: using IRC & ICQ to pretend to be somebody or something you are not is a very, *very* bad idea. Today, you are a fox-souled teenager in a piss-smelling ocean of fox-souled teenagers. Tomorrow, you are a Scottish veterinarian specializing in foxes, because that's more interesting. And then horses. Oh, god, the horses. Then, two years later, you tell someone you are a vet and they assume you mean Army Vet, and you just say "fuck it" and run with it.
Never underestimate the ability of stupid people to believe utter fucking bullshit. And never underestimate the ability of stupid people to believe their own fucking bullshit either.
2) Drugs Addiction ran in Keith's family: his mother, on more than one occasion, got drunk on vodka at six in the morning and decided to go shopping for more vodka. She neglected to put any clothes on beforehand.
Honestly, considering what brother #3 went through, it's a miracle he's anything even close to adjusted. We can, perhaps, forgive his bi-monthly Jägermeister binge as a misguided attempt to bleach that shit clean out of his brain.
Not that Keith was around to see his mother waiting outside the Co-op with her minge out, of course; he was in Canada with his granny waifu and a stable of increasingly anxious horses. Granny Canada was obviously retired, and Keith had no fucking intention of getting a job either – as far as I know, he never had an actual paying job in his entire life. What he * have was a copy of photoshop he used to make a series of false veterinarian diplomas, and IRC contacts, and a toe dipped into the now growing dark web.
I imagine it started with selling weed on the Silk Road, or trafficking horseporn to other degenerates on IRC. Meth was booming amongst the gay clubs at the time as well, and Keith was very much a patron. Getting buttfucked wearing fox ears is great; getting buttfucked wearing fox ears whilst simultaneously high on meth is even better.
A normal man might have been satisfied with that; Keith, however, was no normal man. He was starting to believe his own bullshit; he has now moved from Army Vet to fucking Special Agent.
At some point he ran weed across the American border. Emboldened by how easy that was, Special Agent Keith fucking Bond began to dream bigger.
And it was at this point (we assume) that he met some very shady people.
3) Guns Like most dumb motherfuckers with repressed insecurities about their massive mental retardation, Keith also got into guns at some point. Like, seriously into guns: whatever junky methlab he was running out next to the stables needed protection, after all. The problem with Canada is that the gun laws are surprisingly strict, at least compared to America, where you can buy a howitzer over the counter in walmart.
The solution to this was to just run a reverse smuggling gayop. Even better, Keith now knows some uniquely shady individuals who are buying his drugs: he doesn't even need to use *money*, Keith can buy a machine gun using *meth*.
And then the meth money runs out. With no meth to protect, Keith sells his machine gun, and realizes that machine gun money is much better than meth money.
4) Money At this point Keith is an International Man of Mystery: never underestimate the ability of stupid people to hear a Scottish accent and assume you are distantly related to Sean fucking Connery, and not just a junky from a shithole 16 miles outside of Dundee. He's running guns and drugs and fuck knows what else all over the fucking place, meeting people IRL that he had only previously known online in his vet / Vet / dog mongler / drug smuggler persona. The motherfucker developed a *system*, for christsake: still terminally cheap, he would set up *appointments* with his online acquaintances rather than rent hotels. At least two Memorials turned up on furfag forums that were convinced that Keith was fucking engaged to them.
So we can add bigamist to his growing list of sins.
And then Brother #1 got a message about Keith for the first time in over ten years: The American authorities had confirmed that Keith was dead.
5) Finale His murder is still unsolved. Someone shot him in the head and dumped his corpse in the ocean. The most likely scenario is that Keith was running guns into the Mexico and picking up drugs for the return trip and he rather severely underestimated the willingness of the cartels to put up with Special Agent Keith's usual bullshit. Perhaps his wife had gotten tired with his unrepentant bum-banditry; perhaps he tried to fuck Pablo Escobar's favorite zebra. We will never know, and regardless, Keith is dead.
And that's the end of it. No one normal gave much of a fuck about a dead junky mule; I don't think the brothers even bothered to tell their mother, she was so out of it. The whole thing was a mystery that got grim fast when you looked into it, and then when furfags started contacting the two brothers to find out what happened to their dearly beloved boyfriend / fiancé / crack dealer, things moved from fucking grim to absolutely WTF hysterical and grotesque in short order. I've heard of people living two lives: Keith was living at least six of them simultaneously, and now the dumb motherfucker isn't living any at all.
Rest in piss.
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Well, I intended to write about the process / ideas behind fixing C8 tonight, but instead I ended up writing a eulogy for a fucked up retard. It's something I've been meaning to get out of my system for a while now – and I've doubtless forgotten more about the bastard than I've remembered – but yeah, that's the story of Keith the Drug & Gun Running Furry.
Integrating even a tenth of this into the character of Shitbag Billy is really beyond the scope of the novel; christ, the furthest it's gonna go is a godsdamned fursuit, and that's more of a Shining homage than anything else. But that was who the person who inspired and usurped the original version of Briefcase Willie in the novel was; like pretty much everyone else I've ever written about, I doubt he would thank me for my efforts.
Also why is my spellcheck broken fucksake
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Post by dn on Oct 11, 2023 18:12:07 GMT -5
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Post by dn on Oct 16, 2023 23:49:36 GMT -5
working on more tarot cards. rough sketch potatophone shot #1 rough ink shot #2 Now it goes into macromedia freehand to vectorize it / make the tits the same fucking size / fix that goofy fucking face / embiggen the bottle of jack..
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Post by dn on Oct 24, 2023 3:04:46 GMT -5
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Post by dn on Oct 28, 2023 2:20:23 GMT -5
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Post by dn on Oct 28, 2023 20:48:25 GMT -5
Reminder to myself to change it to XVII, becuz I forgot the fucking X. But yeah, finally finished the Stars card.
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Post by dn on Dec 1, 2023 11:39:46 GMT -5
Chapter 9 complete. It's a short one... I split the original draft in half because corresponding the Hanged Man card with 10" Dave / Dante's wood of suicide is a no-brainer. Onwards. If I can close up the year by finishing chapter 10 then that would be something of a win.
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Post by dn on Dec 5, 2023 21:25:13 GMT -5
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Post by dn on Dec 12, 2023 23:02:52 GMT -5
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Post by dn on Jan 20, 2024 19:32:48 GMT -5
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Post by dn on Feb 14, 2024 3:38:24 GMT -5
Turns out that deciding to rewrite C10 in verse was a mistake and I regret it entirely.
First draft, have got halfway thru the damn thing before running out of fucking brain...
...womb / tomb dark / lark vodka / ha-ha...
Aye. This fucking ship of fools sore piloted by Rhombus. Fuelled by Scottish Special: brought to you by Brewers Caledonia. Beloved, accidental muse, and intellectual / contrafoetal / intraceptual damager. Let us join them, you and I, as overhead the clouds peel wide as buttons – fumbl'd onna alkie's spavver. Let's go lap 'round cemeteries, 'round roads, and roads 'round council schemes; see schemies scheme by town latrines and Spraffer spraff. See Cocky mutter, Rhombus dream and hear God laugh.
...uppers / downers petroleum / vallium huff / puff munch / crunch...
Behind F. Rhombus: Fischer, Arson (progeny of local parson). Larboard9: Andrew-James' station, Cocky wedged between said persons. Navigating, Spraffer sits and talks inconsequential shit and talks and talks for hours and hours and talks and talks for hours; it soon abrades abscesses into the brain. But suffer through this psychic erosion, for from this lap is booze apportioned.
...watch the empties rise and fall / ignoring poor McGonagall...
Aye. Twenty-four were number'd tins afore predation winnow'd them and left the crate a hollow'd thing, Scarce worth our time. Harrow'd, hear the harrow'd ring: —Time, gentlemen, time... (running empty?)
...rhyme / time tick / tock...
Time, gentleman time. If we had world enough, and time... To order all, and set to rights the world – enough! – but... lacking time...
...pissed / mist drunkenness / unconsciousness...
To TESCO, then; our future set, our destination: CIDER. Wrecked in bodies, minds, on distant shores, our souls and clothes and hands well soiled,..
...boast / toast beers / cheers...
So here's to TESCO, in Blairgowrie: onion fraud, and Robbing Hoodies looting shops of all they see; to thieves and insobriety. Here's to us – for who's like we? Precious, damméd few. And so, we payeth not, and booze for free: —To thieves and insobriety!
...breathe / teethe tipple / nipple lay / pray...
We five within the cabin have the foresight to restrain; for blessed are those who belt themselves lest from the road we stray. But in the boot there languishes the midget Ten Inch Dave: the sixth of us who fled the shed when Justice there was laid. ...head / dead stars / dark descend / amen...
The midget nestles in the dark; he gnaws upon a teat. He swallows vodka – Vladivar's – and chews up ketamine. In truth the dwarf-chile doesn't mind his time within the trunk: This banishment to sightless realm – this hellish petrol sump. Imagine then it serves him for an isolation tank: A haven where one doesn't suffer jibes or glib remarks; Away from Spraffer waxing forth on dwarves or lack of height, And verbalizing ordinate coordinates of shite. With bendzedrine and vodka darkened trunks can be endured: Hallucinations better company than fucking Stewart.
...route / boot throttle / bottle...
We power down the Welton Road but suddenly, F. Rhombus roars:
—AE FUCKKIN CAPERCAILLIE!
...and sets the universe to rights.
The bird explodes in chunks of gore and feathers fly and block the road from sight. Window wipers Rhombus turns – clears away the blasted foul; not before disaster hoves25 and Arson's pants are filled with shite.
...uppers / downers flying / falling flood / blood bloom / doom...
Now hurling along As a force irresistible Into the back of the object immovable Bonnet impacts and explodes into shrapnel As shattering glass shreds up faces and hands.
Seatbelts contract crushing ribcages whole And the sudden whiplash fractures vertebrae bones With an audible crack from the base of your skull to the tips of your toes.
Vision grey-black from the collapse of arteries Retina detached in the aqueous jelly As blood in your ears hammers constantly constantly constantly –
So we belong dead. We ought to be dead. And yet. Somehow. We live. —Blessye thankit and Jesus be thankit and God be ye thankit! … (Jesus be fuckit furgot Ten Inch Dave)
...watch these bodies rise and fall / ignoring poor McGonagall...
Exiting, the men congeal Around the mangled vehicle. In trepidation, none approach Unless by inches; inching closer, 'Til upon the metal frame Reflections warped and half-insane As horror turns to mangled laughing Turned again to horror, passing Fingers over eyes, we shun Dread consequences...
For an emotion, dread suffices. And for the occasion, dread will suffice.
...bang / bang bang / bang bang / bang... Rhombus thumbs the lock: the frantic hammering from deep within has slowed, slowing; slowing down; it slows unto a weak heart-beat. Rhombus turns the lock: the boot flips open, spewing noxious fumes into our faces: toxic mix of alcohol and petrol.
Chloroformed, we gasp, withdraw, but not before our cortex stores the sorry sight that lies within: a midget mangled on his side, curled foetally, he's writhing, choking, choking, writhing breathless retching eyeballs bulging wide.
His hands are wrapped around his throat – rigid midget fingers – Strangling, he chokes himself, and I see blood between his fingers spill.
I see blood – thick clots of blood – I watch the blood from digits oozing. Words he chokes through slitted throat amidst the shattered glass. His croaking fades; his eyes turn glazed as lifeblood drips away. Red drizzles down beneath his palm for fucked is Ten Inch Dave.
Chaos erupts upon the Welton Road.
Spraffer screaming: —Ambulance! as Rhombus foot-to-foot does dance, and Andrew-James and Noodle Chef claw at each other: —Get more pressure! Pressurize the wound.
Rhombus wails, his thoughts consumed: appliances soon summoned – blame will once again be heaped upon his coiffured head, of this he's certain.
Ambulance alas begets constabulary; constabulary alas begets judiciary: judiciary begets Barlinnie...
and a century spent at her Majesty's pleasure: sewing mail bags; slops aplenty; getting raped by all and sundry; arsehole hanging down in tatters. Bumhole broken, prolapsed utterly, penduluming between knees like a shopping bag with the arse ripped out that's spilling tins and groceries...
He ignores the plight of Ten Inch Dave, favouring his skin to save: Rhombus dives head-first into the ruins of the Rhomulan. Kleptomaniac from pocket pulls a handkerchief, embroidered: DAVE: des-per-ately wiping steering clean of Rhombus DNA.
Meanwhile Dave is hoisted from the boot and lain to rest on the embankment: rigor dolor head-to-foot, alive, but only slightly.
Broken words, he gutters out; words, forced from choking lungs. Spat through teeth that gape and chatter, stainéd red, the violent taste of copper.
...pray / day save / Dave God / Dave God / save help / help help / Dave... ...and would we promise please tell parents love them..
Spraffer has ceased the flapping of arms, the screaming of: —Help! at no-one in particular. Now, he walks like those infused anew with purpose bloody-minded.
Belatedly, he pulls his Nokia out his trouser pocket. Quaking digits – triple nine - he thumbs and tolerates the queue quite patiently. Until...
(page break?)
...finally, an operator answers.
—Ambulance, so sayeth Spraffer. —Accident, he so informs her. —Slitted throat; we're on the Welton Road... ...maybe a half-a-mile from TESCO? No – fucksake! – he doesn’t know if we are east or west of TESCO... Please, you have to save The man called Ten Inch Dave...
...east / west cold / crow fly / die...
Come. Bend your head to his, and listen to those rattling breaths and hear the words of his confession body racked across the seven sins: wanton, careless self-destruction, alcohol and drug addiction, unloved, save for masturbation; impotent, save in aggression. And inclined in pride to verbalize in rhymes, but use unmetered stanzas and thesaurus. Uncounted are his crimes...
...sleep / keep wake / take...
Remove the lace from his left bootie. Sting it up between your hands in preparation: sighing soothing consolations, wrestling with the tourniquet...
...stand across the poor man now, eyes stare in horror abject, let's garotte his head clean off his fucking poetasterous shoulders.
There follows a brief argument between Spraffer and the NHS 24, re: the wisdom of tying a bootlace around someone’s neck in order to staunch the flow of blood.
Medical training: non-existent. Andrew-James, alas, insistent, has seen injuries consistent; Black Hawk Down by Ridley Scott. Cognizant a dirty finger rudely thrust into a spewing artery may dam the worst, and cease the endless haemorrhaging of systems circulatory.
...nee / naw nee / naw nee / naw...
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Post by dn on Feb 24, 2024 2:36:26 GMT -5
Rough draft of C10 complete. Will go back in and polish the last ten or so stanzas, but yeah, as poetry goes it's not entirely awful. Fucking nightmare of a rewrite, 0/10, pain in the ass. Remind me not to do this sort of retarded showboating ever again. 27/02/2024 Edit: made it less retarded. C10 poetry fuckeryCollated.
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Post by dn on Mar 19, 2024 22:56:54 GMT -5
Working away on chapter 11. Also, rough draft of the Temperance Card.
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Post by dn on Mar 21, 2024 18:55:22 GMT -5
...does anyone even care?
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Post by Gokuma on Mar 21, 2024 18:57:25 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by kvsari on Mar 22, 2024 23:58:30 GMT -5
I care, a little. But I'm not reading your rough drafts or anything since I would prefer to read it when it's completed (if I do choose to read it).
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Post by dn on Mar 23, 2024 21:06:33 GMT -5
Fair enough. Just slightly concerned that this thread is turning into a Kontraposting one-man spergatory.
Anyway, onto chapter 11, aka The Soddomites.
I am going to get in so much shit for this chapter; I'm probably fucking myself out of my prospective publisher, there is no way those grovelling fucks are going to be OK with this. There are going to be screams of homophobia and transphobia from the fucking rooftops, the reeeeeing is going to be heard from outer fucking space.
Need to work up a defence in advance, and I figure the only defence that is going to work is an academic one. If I can prove that I know what the fuck I am talking about here, then I can deflect the criticisms as the ignorant wailing of Calibannic illiterates. And also I do care, kinda, about actual gay rights (the real rights, not that fake twitter bullshit), and I feel compelled to make a fucking effort to explain myself here.
And so, ladies and gentlemen, I present
DANTE AMONGST THE HOMOSEXUALS
Canto 15 of Inferno has troubled scholars for a while now: most of them get all fuckity-twisted about the sin being punished (sodomy et al.), try to relate 14th century ethics to modern morality (a mistake: they ought to be comparing religious belief from the two eras) and usually get hung up on the obvious Sodom / Gomorrah parallels (fire falling from the sky to punish the sodomites). And then most follow in the footsteps of Eliot, who rightly notes Dante speaks of the sodomite he meets here (Brunetto Latino) with respect and affection: indeed, this is the only sinner in the Inferno that Dante has anything like a cordial relationship with.
The question that is fucking with the academics is why.
Eliot asserts that Dante, in writing the Inferno, placed himself between a rock and a hard place: if the cantos are meant to inspire man to reason (religious reason & political reason & rational discourse: it is only through reason that mankind can understand God) then Dante himself must prove to be reasonable, and without hypocrisy. And yet, a lot of the Inferno is Dante attacking sinners & those he considers irrational (religiously, politically & in discourse). The cantos are, in many ways, the precursor to the modern diss track – although Dr. Dre never went as far as to boil fakeass niggas in lakes of liquid shit, or have Easy-E chewed on for eternity by the literal mouth of Satan like some AIDS-flavoured bubblegum.
Eliot says that, in order to appear fair an balanced, Dante had to include people he both loved and respected in Hell. He says that Dante's conflicted emotions about Latino do not indicate sympathy for homosexuals (not exactly compatible with 14th century religious thought) but sympathy for the person. Eliot points to the final lines – “one who runs as if he were winning, not losing” – as evidence that Dante regrets putting Brunetto here, and would take him out if he could.
The general mystification from Kirkpatrick, Gray, Eliot &c. seems to be how enlightened Dante is in his mindset, re: homosexuality. This is true, but is missing the point.
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It might help at this point to give a broad overview what Dante (and the church) consider to the the problem with homosexuality: it's a crime against nature, if the definition of nature is “God's will”. The gist is that God made man, and God made woman to be man's partner. Rejecting that by sleeping with other men is rude, considering all the effort God went to to make us some pussy.
We'll also need a quick definition of poetic parataxis: in short, it is the juxtaposition of two opposite and irreconcilable notions (fire & ice, living-dead, &c: note that poetic parataxis is different from parataxis in prose). The Italians use this rhetorical device a lot, especially in their poetry. The old cliché of love poetry, eg:
The heat of your love burns me as ice Life is death Why won't you give me my hole I need my hole, else I will surely die Thou art cruel in love Bitch lasagna.
It's the usual Italian hyperbole, wailing outside of Juliet's balcony because she won't fuck you, and has been a part of Italian poetry since Italians had poetry. It's based entirely in emotion, and thus to Dante is irrational, and so is to be despised (Dante's trying to improve the Italians, lest we forget: not only is he writing in the vernacular to improve his native tongue, but he jettisons other old conventions (like parataxis) as being an impediment to rational discourse.
Such is the poetry of Dante. But what of that of Brunetto?
Ah, yes, the unlucky damned one also was a poet, one of the Italian old school. And his poetry was filled with this parataxic, emotional shit.
Now, consider where Dante has placed Brunetto, beneath fire that falls as snow. Consider Brunetto's characterization: he is weirdly unconcerned with the fact that he is being cooked for eternity by hellish skyfire, doesn't really give much of a monkey's about it. He is, oddly, presented as quite at home in this circle of Hell. His chief concern is that, when Dante returns to Earth, he publicise Brunetto's books and works to a wider audience.
Books and works. Bad poetry, icy fire and life-in-death love-hate Italian bullshit. If we are to take Brunetto's poetry at face value (and Dante must have) then Brunetto has always been in Hell, hence his bizarre no-fucks-given about the fact that snow-fire is burning him. It always has. The implication is that Brunetto has never known God (because gay), has never seen God's light and so suffers the ministrations of Hell without complaint. In this, Brunetto is better-off even than those pagan souls in Limbo, Virgil et al., who witness God's light from a great distance but cannot, by fact of their pre-Christ birth, attain said light – they covet it, live through desire, but hopelessly. Fire that falls as snow = parataxic. Men in love with men = parataxic. Rational discourse and poetry = parataxic. The damned and legacy on earth = parataxic. Emotion & reason = parataxic. Loving the sinner, not the sin = parataxic. A running man who is both winner & loser = parataxic.
Dante both loves and hates old poetry, loves and hates writing in latin (that he chose Latino as his example is not a fucking coincidence). And he is well aware of the seemingly irreconcilable nature of the narrative here. Its irreconcilable, parataxic nature is the entire fucking point of the damn thing. To steal a line from Milton, viz: explaining the ways of God to man – the parataxism on display here is part of God's plan. Satan (evil) was created to further the greater good; God is cruel to be kind. God is Love; God created the Inferno.
Now that we have established my credentials as a fucking scholar – in the process disinterring Eliot and cutting the papal ring from his fucking finger – can you motherfuckers stop whining about fucking homophobia and think that maybe you ought to trust me I know what I am doing, go back to sucking each other's cocks please thank you.
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