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Post by Deathclaw886 on Mar 30, 2022 3:57:47 GMT -5
Also thank you 40oz and mayhemicdestrvctor for not berating me like everyone else.. now i feel like i am Public enemy #1 and people are just too blind to see that i am not like that anymore.
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Mar 30, 2022 5:19:18 GMT -5
okay no problem and i dont think youre a public enemy. and youre a really good friend and i hope they dont talk about your issues all the time any more because i feel like youre a really good person and i believe very much that you changed in a very positive way and i can tell because youre very nice and a very good friend. and i think you dont deswerve to be treated like this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 7:48:16 GMT -5
Deathclaw886 Did you think that I deleted my account off your forum because of hard feelings towards you? No. It wasn't that. You failed your job as admin exactly, by crossing an unwritten law of the internet. What's going in private messages cannot be ground for staff action, unless one of the parties to private discussion commits an offense against the other one involved in private discussion. Neither should you ever disclose private messages - another unwritten law. My decision to delete account is thus a way to show you that you too, as admin, can be made accountable for your mistakes. You fuck up like that and other people might think better of dealing with or trusting you. The chain of events led to justice quite poetically served, I admit. P.S. Slight cherry on the top: when I deleted my account, I didn't unfollow you. My issues with you weren't personal. However, since you decided to unfollow me, I'll unfollow you too.
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Post by 40oz on Mar 30, 2022 8:26:29 GMT -5
You failed your job as admin exactly, by crossing an unwritten law of the internet. What's going in private messages cannot be ground for staff action, unless one of the parties to private discussion commits an offense against the other one involved in private discussion. It is explicitly written in the Terms of Service.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 10:43:56 GMT -5
40ozThe TOS terms absolve proboards from getting involved from forum disputes, and serve to redirect possible legal disputes against proboards for such inaction onto whoever is admining. However, the fact that TOS doesn't place restraints on admins decision to ban users, this doesn't mean that other restraints - that are product of physical or social laws - do not exist. In this case, the restraint we are talking about is public opinion and naturally emerged ethics of the internet discussions. Sharing private messages is not tolerated, taking actions because of pm contents (unless one party was offending another) is not tolerated either. The highlighted text also is not relevant to the stuff I said about you to mayhemicdestrvctor. This must be clear, even if you want to twist the situation so it is otherwise: I neither intended nor could not, in any way, influence through that pm anyone to cause you harm. If I decided to post it publicly, then and only then it could have been interpreted this way, which is by the way I was aware of, and the fact of this awareness is also visible on the screenshot of the pm. Note that I talk about interpretation, as even if I were to say so publicly, it would not mean I encourage someone to do that for me. However, it could have been interpreted that way by others, where as when posted in private message (to an obvious supporter of yours no less) it is not and cannot be interpreted as such. It cannot be considered threatening, as I didn't press demands on you by proxy to do this or something bad will happen to you, nor did I say that I am intending to do (or hire someone to do that for me) harm to you - I was talking to mayhemic. Notice that even Deathclaw edited his damn post to replace "death threat" with "death wish" after even Xeep-eep (a member I otherwise don't respect, but he surprised me this time) told that this does not qualify as fucking death threat. It cannot be considered violent because there is no photo of you with blood splattered across it or whatever. Remember when @contracommando posted thread with videos of some swords practiced on mannequins? Yeah, that one violated the TOS, but in my pm, there is nothing but words. Words I said were violent content - how so? Did I mention the details (I mean the details of what is to be done to the body, words that make one visualize something that can be classified as violent) of how would I imagine your death or something? I didn't. Just to be clear, when I said I would rejoice in event of your death, I didn't intend to be in the chain of events that actually makes that happen. I just wished that you would die in particular manner, not from natural means. However, I don't want to be connected to your death in any way. Furthermore, the rejoicing per se was obviously an expression of the extreme resentment I have towards your actions and you being adamant about such actions (and, probably, because I genuinely expected to see massive support for my attitude towards you which didn't materialize). I can actually say it's highly unlikely I would actually rejoice in your death were it to happen. I can say so based on facts I know about myself - I lived long enough to see people I called my enemies die, and quite often post-death I didn't feel hatred towards them, even if I still despised some prior actions of theirs. I am willing to admit that I regret or am ashamed about some things I wrote in pm, such as where I said you were "not deserving human rights". I also admit that a lot of it was based on hard feelings - quite persistent at the time, but nonetheless an unreliable thing - and that having been away from board for a few days, I don't anymore think you actually deserve death.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 10:54:04 GMT -5
you know you can just leave right? it's obvious at this point 40oz isn't going to be convinced of anything and all you're doing is wasting your time and breath at him. if you don't want to be part of this community anymore you can just bail
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Mar 30, 2022 11:02:03 GMT -5
i think vigilant is arguing all the time because he wants to provoke every one until he destroys the doomerboards successfully
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 11:11:14 GMT -5
@segfault, if you are insinuating to force me to leave, or to get someone to ban me, I would like you to learn something. People here, who are not releasing wads nor participating in DBPs, are working on stuff still. I know it because I've been private playtester (through pms).
The work I am doing is nearly done (coding-wise: done already, stuck on documentation and need to organize a repository so that other people are willing to pick on its code, etc.), and I'm intending to post it on this board when it gets released. I have faith that is going to be useful to a lot of doomers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 11:19:28 GMT -5
i think vigilant is arguing all the time because he wants to provoke every one until he destroys the doomerboards successfully No, former friend mayhemicdestrvctor, I just don't like libels. Reading them compels me to want to set people straight.
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Mar 30, 2022 11:32:59 GMT -5
why do you still not want to be friends any more
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 11:38:24 GMT -5
mayhemicdestrvctor May I ask you, if you felt scared of what I wrote (it was not my intention to scare you), why do you still want to be friends? It's quite clear that our personalities don't match, we might run down some more misunderstandings further down the road. By the way, in my vocabulary "not being friends" is not equal to "being enemies".
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Mar 30, 2022 11:43:58 GMT -5
i dont know i feel terrible. i secretly was hoping you would forget 40oz and still be friends with me and just never say scary things again so we can still always be friends , without saying scary things.
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Post by 40oz on Mar 30, 2022 11:58:22 GMT -5
and that having been away from board for a few days, I don't anymore think you actually deserve death. aww thanks <3 I love you too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 12:06:42 GMT -5
@segfault, if you are insinuating to force me to leave, or to get someone to ban me, I would like you to learn something. People here, who are not releasing wads nor participating in DBPs, are working on stuff still. I know it because I've been private playtester (through pms). The work I am doing is nearly done (coding-wise: done already, stuck on documentation and need to organize a repository so that other people are willing to pick on its code, etc.), and I'm intending to post it on this board when it gets released. I have faith that is going to be useful to a lot of doomers. Do whatever you want, stay or go, I just think you're spinning your wheels here
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Mar 30, 2022 16:25:26 GMT -5
Deathclaw886 Did you think that I deleted my account off your forum because of hard feelings towards you? No. It wasn't that. You failed your job as admin exactly, by crossing an unwritten law of the internet. What's going in private messages cannot be ground for staff action, unless one of the parties to private discussion commits an offense against the other one involved in private discussion. Neither should you ever disclose private messages - another unwritten law. My decision to delete account is thus a way to show you that you too, as admin, can be made accountable for your mistakes. You fuck up like that and other people might think better of dealing with or trusting you. The chain of events led to justice quite poetically served, I admit. P.S. Slight cherry on the top: when I deleted my account, I didn't unfollow you. My issues with you weren't personal. However, since you decided to unfollow me, I'll unfollow you too. yeah but when a member comes complaining to me that they are concerned and shares a picture of said private message i believe i need to take action, yes? what if someone in a private message is planning on murdering me, huh? sharing my ip address and info with another member, and someone shares it with me saying "Dude ban him now!!" oh but i cant do anything because, well.. privacy.
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Post by TheFantasticFungiFan on Mar 30, 2022 19:05:19 GMT -5
That's quite a dramatic comparison, there's a difference between saying "I hope Bob falls off a cliff" and "here's Bob's ip address and personal information, I think I'll kill him now".
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Apr 1, 2022 2:27:08 GMT -5
That's quite a dramatic comparison, there's a difference between saying "I hope Bob falls off a cliff" and "here's Bob's ip address and personal information, I think I'll kill him now". but it shows their mindset and they may have further intentions, then again maybe not but you cant be too sure. regardless i dont want people like that on my forum, it doesnt make other people feel safe when things like that happen. also, When did you come back? and.. i hope you dont hate me, like i stated before I am not like that anymore, and i told you this too, remember me telling you that in Doomworld? i dont prey on peoples privacy. i dont. not exactly the response i expected from not seeing you in a bit, caught me off guard.
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Post by deathevokation on Apr 1, 2022 8:53:28 GMT -5
That's quite a dramatic comparison, there's a difference between saying "I hope Bob falls off a cliff" and "here's Bob's ip address and personal information, I think I'll kill him now". but it shows their mindset and they may have further intentions, then again maybe not but you cant be too sure. regardless i dont want people like that on my forum Why not? Is it because you don't like getting reminded of your "former self"? Atleast that'd explain where all the projection and dramatic comparisons are coming from.
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Apr 1, 2022 9:20:20 GMT -5
can you please stop hating on deathclaw. he is a really good friend he does not deserved to be treated this way now. so please stop hajting him he is a really good person today. and he is a very caring friend and he doesnt deserve that so please stop.
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Apr 1, 2022 17:44:23 GMT -5
but it shows their mindset and they may have further intentions, then again maybe not but you cant be too sure. regardless i dont want people like that on my forum Why not? Is it because you don't like getting reminded of your "former self"? Atleast that'd explain where all the projection and dramatic comparisons are coming from. no its because i dont want toxic people on my forum! is that too much to ask? if i let everyone just spew out death threats on there then everyone will think that that is okay to do, then when actual good hearted people join and see that on there they will leave i swear, i just try to make a good, friendly community and people are berating me for that, its damned if i do, damned if i dont.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 18:07:24 GMT -5
but it shows their mindset and they may have further intentions, then again maybe not but you cant be too sure. regardless i dont want people like that on my forum Why not? Is it because you don't like getting reminded of your "former self"? Atleast that'd explain where all the projection and dramatic comparisons are coming from. Sometimes a hypocrite is nothing more than a man in the process of changing.
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Apr 1, 2022 18:17:41 GMT -5
@segfault yes, and it has been a year since i did all of that, i am disgusted and ashamed of what i did, and people are acting like i never even changed in the first place! i have told countless people that i am better now, and they Just will not listen.
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Apr 2, 2022 1:55:37 GMT -5
i also agree with the thing that segfault sad about a man in the proicess of chagiung
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Post by fluffhead on Apr 2, 2022 22:26:09 GMT -5
Imagine my surprise. Its a saturday night, I'm drunk, feeling nostalgic, and playing some good old fashioned Doom. I am playing a highly regarded mapset, really in awe at how far the community has taken this game. Whats this I see on the wall? "for a good time visit doomer.boards.net" Why not? And this is what I stumble across. I may have just found my new favorite seedy corner on the internet.
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Post by lunchlunch on Apr 3, 2022 4:09:06 GMT -5
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