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Post by Deathclaw886 on Jan 9, 2022 14:54:17 GMT -5
So i joined Doomer Boards a while back and i wasnt a fan. but then when i got banned recently for having an opinion on dw i realized something.. Dw is ran by liberal assholes. so i am going to give this forum a shot again. at least doomer boards wont ban me for having an opinion.
if you are wondering what i said that pissed the mods off, i simply typed this in a thread (and it was not off topic) i said "People are confused about their gender." that one sentence got me permabanned.. the mod who banned me gave me a stupid liberal analogy.. i dont remember all of it because it was so retarded. it was something like "people arent confused, it is like asking someone who is working out if they are confused about their body.." or something like that, it was really retarded. unfortunately Doom Haven hasnt gained any traction as of late so ill crash here for the moment.
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Post by joe-ilya on Jan 9, 2022 15:02:56 GMT -5
Doomworld should ban everyone so that everyone moves to Doomer Boards.
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Jan 9, 2022 15:05:09 GMT -5
Nothing like being alienated from a community,losing contact with your friends just because someone little feelings were hurt.
i wasnt targeting anyone directly. i wasnt trolling, i wasnt being toxic..
so this is what being cancelled feels like.
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Jan 9, 2022 15:06:35 GMT -5
Doomworld should ban everyone so that everyone moves to Doomer Boards. haha. yeah that would be funny. and it is relieving to say something raw and unfiltered without getting a million "Edgelording" and "Trolling" warnings for it
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Jan 9, 2022 15:08:49 GMT -5
oh. and i finally found what the mod said.
the warning said "Saying someone with gender dysphoria is “confused on what gender they are” is like saying someone trying to work out and get muscular is “confused about what body type they’re meant to have”. Dysphoria is decidedly not the same as “confusion”. I had to split this and Post Hell it because it was just all all-encompassingly negative with a dash of bigotry.."
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Jan 9, 2022 15:13:57 GMT -5
and to put the cherry on top.
i was helping someone who was saying that they were getting bullied in school because they were White, being called racist etc. i said to ignore them and that racism has lost its meaning now, people are just using it to describe someone/something they hate. and my post got helled and they gave me a warning for "Rudeness" saying this "Thinly veiled racism is still racism. What you're looking for is a class issue. Please do not conflate the two again."
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Post by MegaPancakeStrategist on Jan 9, 2022 16:14:11 GMT -5
Welcome back!
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Jan 9, 2022 17:28:38 GMT -5
thanks! i think i will enjoy it here. maybe db gets a bad rap because the doomworld mods hate free speech, and i can be, blunt with things.
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Post by Gokuma on Jan 9, 2022 17:37:29 GMT -5
#1 Rule of Safety on the Internet: Assume everyone has a dick. Don't assume everyone is a guy because feelings are just going to get hurt and it's best to avoid any debate of who has a legitimate claim of being trans and who has just been confused/manipulated/coerced/groomed/indoctrinated/brainwashed/drugged with endocrine disruptors/etc.
In the event of a prospective hookup of legal age who doesn't live thousands of miles away and isn't just a catfish or bot, you find out, "Oh you were born with a vag and still have it? That's great!"
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Post by E.M. on Jan 9, 2022 19:46:59 GMT -5
If you still feel bad about getting permabanned, just take solace in the fact that the Doomworld mods do it for free.
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Post by nnnvork on Jan 9, 2022 21:39:45 GMT -5
*inhales deeply~~~*Some people have their political ego's marbled into their gendered ones, which has... uncomfortable side-effects. It's mostly just held together with internally-pointing self-triangulating inertial forces. Any agitation is relieved through a path of least-resistance (in a local non-macrocosmic sense): dismissal-by-buzzword, reflex bans, etc. Though, if the thing carving out space is too much like a Rainbow Hitler Youth, then it's not sustainable in the long run, nor is it even epistemologically grounded. It's just a structure in freefall waiting to smash into the ground, rather than being connected properly. Hopefully the higher layers of the Illuminati TM structure are sewing leylines to smooth things out. I think the fundamental laws of the universe work through 'division of epistemological labour' and 'trickle down self-awareness'. On that note, I can never tell if I am the least of most self-aware person in the room. On which level of which braid of the main structure are each of us located at? Each of us, being organizational units of packets of existential inertia with varying flavours of self-awareness - it's inherently a rock-paper-scissors algebra that unfolds infinitely, so you can't truly tell. Fun! "The Human Bandwidth Pill" is what I personally call these. And it maybe comes full circle, watch this: reframing 'dysphoria' in terms of 'need to free up someone's bandwidth on gender concepts' is a better way to qualify the word, rather than it being a flaky buzz-word that gets moved around a lot (whether freeing up said bandwidth is worth it or not for the individual, though, is context dependent and everyone will see it from a different angle. id vs developing-graymatter-id vs developed-adult-id vs ego vs super-ego vs super-super-ego higher order political terms). People also need to humble themselves. No one is a man or a woman. We are a lumps of cells that coagulated out of primordial chaos hurling through space (the very same chaos that developed our sexually dimorphic species in the first place, through ever unfolding game-theory mechanics). I am also a lump-of-cells-hurling-through-space, and one with a very funky limbic system as well. Don't tell anyone, but I've had vagina envy since I was a kid, but my male-enough ego seemed worth fostering in the context I grew up in. I leaned into the utilitarian, 'Socks With Sandals' side of me. It's a part of me that I pretend to be very proud of Also, time spent arguing semantics, syntax, and the order of algebraic operations we should apply to our limited language real-estate when talking to one another - is time wasted from sticking things up our butts. Such a shame. My mom had a lot of miscarrages before me, I wonder if the abyssal creature that I am is the result of prenatal weirdness. Or was it repressed childhood trauma. Or maybe it was the Koch Brothers' liberal agenda to dump plastic xenoestrogens in the water, enough to turn the frogs NoisyVelvet queer.
Wait a moment, Koch... Cock?... oh no, I see everything clearly now. It was Xeep's Penis all along! Quick, everyone, save yoursel- *THWUMP*
"mmmmff. mmmmfff! MMFFFFFFFF!!!"
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Post by nnnvork on Jan 9, 2022 21:46:02 GMT -5
Doomworld should ban everyone so that everyone moves to Doomer Boards. Heh. I think the reason Doomerboards "works" is because it's like a small bar in a wild-west town (but also a archived fishbowl that everyone can see into and quote-mine). Eventually if things get too noisy, the need to throw down the banhammer increases, which inevitably will be dished out in a scuffed manner. I'll defend Doomworld mods, on that principal at aleast.
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Jan 10, 2022 2:12:39 GMT -5
If you still feel bad about getting permabanned, just take solace in the fact that the Doomworld mods do it for free. and take solace in the fact that they were aware that i had a following and i was cared about by at least 4 people.. they thought i killed myself once. but they must not care about that since they so carelessly sent out bans and suspensions to me
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Jan 10, 2022 2:14:55 GMT -5
I can already tell that you guys seem better.
i have nothing against the community itself, as normal members never caused me problems. its just the mods that i have a personal grudge with.
Perhaps i was a little too rough on this place before seeing the bigger picture. i get it now.
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Post by lunchlunch on Jan 10, 2022 4:30:33 GMT -5
I think the reason Doomerboards "works" is because it's like a small bar in a wild-west town how do ye pardner
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 13:38:35 GMT -5
nnnvork I was thinking in posting this on the emotional support thread but since you presented this kind of world view here at a personal level - and judging by the lurking months i've spent 'round DB, reading the old drama threads and getting familiar with the mindset of the personas that inhabits this place - i think that this could be of some use for you and those who are trapped in this thought system. I wish i could provide a more complete and reliable testimony of my case here but since i can't barely present my stance on doom afairs in a clear manner.. let alone be able to confront your world view using a language that isn't my native one. What i can share tho is that while some degree of cynicism protected me from nosediving deeply into nihilism/gnosticism/occultism territory it didn't left my mind unscathed. Coming from a catholic, masonry and spiritsm background, i had those doctrines throwed at my face constantly and often had to concede to them, otherwise i would be in constant conflict with my parents. So at some point, as a defensive maneuver, i rejected everything and held tightly to scientism. I had to face my own share of disillusions in order to see this kind of world view crumble before my eyes and be left in the void for a while before gradually stepping out of it. So i understand that every one has his own path to, with maturity, search for the Truth. And while it wouldn't be of much use sharing with you the people responsible for rescuing me (simply because you wouldn't understand a word of portuguese) i can share someone that i can see helping me in the same manner as when i was lost years ago. I've been following Jay Dyer's work for almost a year now and i think that he does a hell of a job showcasing via essays, debates and movie analysis the flaws and interests behind these world views while presenting in a very interesting way the Orthodox pov. The video below is a lengthy one(4+ hours) but it's a very good introduction to his approach. I know you that didn't asked for any particular suggestion regarding this subject but i'll humbly suggest you, nonetheless, to give it a chance when you can and, yes go armed with your skepticism but have a open heart.
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Post by 40oz on Jan 10, 2022 15:00:18 GMT -5
thanks! i think i will enjoy it here. maybe db gets a bad rap because the doomworld mods hate free speech, and i can be, blunt with things. To be pedantic, the point of contention is that the doomworld community is supposed to make people feel liberated in their expression of gender identity and sexual orientation. The doomworld community has many trans and non-binary people and the like, and that comment is: 1. Very innacurate. Many trans and non binary people know much more about gender and their own identity than most cis (non-trans) people. 2. Very favorable to people who would prefer that trans people dont exist, and to leave that post unquestioned is very minimizing to those who have endured trauma related to gender assignment, and dehumanizing to people who are already trans, or attempting to understand their gender identiy in a manner other than it simply being assigned to them by others. The doomworld mods use their moderator powers to forcibly grow the entire safe space to inhabit all of Doom's fans. Doom players are initially enticed by the doomworld community to talk about Doom, learn about the game, how to mod it, and make friends etc. Doomworld gives that to you, under the condition that users who aren't as interested in gender and educating themselves about it should be scared of losing contact with those friends through the judgment of forum moderators arbitrarily removing user's rights to use their communication channel. The safe space is just one room. There should be a safe space for trans people, just as there should be a safe space for those who are handicapped, who have been psychologically abused, or across different age brackets. Its just unattainable to achieve when Doom is such a huge sample size. When Doom "runs on everything" it reaches people who cannot afford to play any other shooter game. It finds its way in the schools of underdeveloped countries with a single 8GB ram PC in their computer lab. It gets played by people who can only play it on their third generation smartphone. It gets to people with inhibited access to gender-based education. It resides in the memories of people who only played it in the 90's, went off the grid for a while, and came back to relive the old days. What does making such forceful policies have to do with supporting the fans of the game? So it only makes sense to decentralize Doom fandom and modding conversations to a seperate forum where those non-Doom related stipulations don't apply. To reduce the conversation to something as simple as "they dont even free speech and dont care about freedom liek we doooo" is a very obtuse perspective for why they banned you. also, just so you know, this is not a warning and im not monitoring it and/or weighting this conversation towards any later decision to ban you.
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Jan 10, 2022 16:13:30 GMT -5
To reduce the conversation to something as simple as "they dont even free speech and dont care about freedom liek we doooo" is a very obtuse perspective for why they banned you. also, just so you know, this is not a warning and im not monitoring it and/or weighting this conversation towards any later decision to ban you. I just wish they wouldnt be so touchy. every little thing i said got me a warning on there, even when i was legitimately trying to help a guy out. also, on the banning thing, i know you wouldnt do that, i wasnt worried about that in the first place but thanks for the heads up anyways!
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Jan 10, 2022 16:22:56 GMT -5
Doomworld is ran by Jews who seek to brainwash every member into getting vaccinated against the fake lab-made China flu and worshipping Esselfortium's girldick and Linguica's linguiça. This is a well known FACT and if you disagree you're a DEMOCRAT SHILL.
Meanwhile Doomer Boards is and always will be based, cockpilled, ballspilled, cumpilled, shitpilled, fartpilled and even smegmapilled.
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Jan 10, 2022 19:10:16 GMT -5
Doomworld is ran by Jews who seek to brainwash every member into getting vaccinated against the fake lab-made China flu and worshipping Esselfortium's girldick and Linguica's linguiça. This is a well known FACT and if you disagree you're a DEMOCRAT SHILL. Meanwhile Doomer Boards is and always will be based, cockpilled, ballspilled, cumpilled, shitpilled, fartpilled and even smegmapilled. seeing the difference between the two is night and day. Fuck the Doomworld overlords. i agree. if they cant handle speech and jokes then they can go cry away in their safe spaces. do you know what i also think is funny? whenever there is a heated argument in dw a mod always locks the thread. just let the guys argue! geez. i finally understand the doomer boards mindset, all it took was getting banned from dw, is all.
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Post by nnnvork on Jan 10, 2022 19:43:08 GMT -5
nnnvork I was thinking in posting this on the emotional support thread but since you presented this kind of world view here at a personal level - and judging by the lurking months i've spent 'round DB, reading the old drama threads and getting familiar with the mindset of the personas that inhabits this place - i think that this could be of some use for you and those who are trapped in this thought system. ...Jay Dyer's ... but have a open heart. D.. Dawwwwwwww. I hate attention... Thanks. Cool video so far. The first half had a lot of mentions of "everything in moderation" "diversify your assets". As an 'existential game theory organizational unit', it's fun trying to find the balance between 'complacency' with 'hysteria'. I hope I don't come off as anti-religion per se. We've all seen atheism cringe out there too. The easiest to make fun of is: "lol imaginary bearded friend dude in sky. they dumb. me smart. OOOK!". I also hope I don't sound miserable in my posting. I'm doing relatively good and comfy so far, or at least I tell myself that. To get personal again: If it isn't obvious, I have super fractal chaos brain, and I've always found stuff like geometric series and laws of convergence intersting. So naturally, I find blockchain stuff interesting as well. And from a theology perspective from a young age, there were always questions, like "If there's God, then who is God's god?" "What if any of those Gods are evil?" "What if God(s) are just another doofus like us trying to figure stuff out". And also, "Which combination of models like these are the most beneficial to worry about in the first place, to serve as a guiding heuristic regardless". The interplay between domination, subordination, and self-sustainability itself... I'm turned on by the strings of fate themselves. And it's cool that I'm not alone in that. Though I'm also just a mid-wit, and should probably chill out a bit more this year.
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Jan 10, 2022 19:51:42 GMT -5
"If there's God, then who is God's god?" "What if any of those Gods are evil?" "What if God(s) are just another doofus like us trying to figure stuff out". And also, "Which combination of models like these are the most beneficial to worry about in the first place, to serve as a guiding heuristic regardless". The interplay between domination, subordination, and self-sustainability itself... I'm turned on by the strings of fate themselves. I have always wondered some of these things as well! i am Christian, but i have wondered "How did God get here in the first place? what if there is a God-God? " but i dismissed the second one, as the bible says that there is only one God, and i must oblige. but its a neat theory nevertheless
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Post by good-old on Jan 13, 2022 6:20:56 GMT -5
Man, I can't believe woke bullshit had to touch the Doom community out of all ones. I guess it's because of the popularity it got because of being related to D16 and Eternal, or simply for being the first full 3D FPS, so it sorta falls in the same category as any modern shooter. It's only getting worse with time... And I thought this shit would only be contained within the ZDoom community. This community is definitely the worst DOS game community out there, at least somewhere up in the top three.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 11:29:08 GMT -5
40oz I don't think doomworld's stuff is motivated by such noble pursuits. Care to explain, for example, how you and joe-ilya being banned fits into this pursuit? The permanent bans of you two were not due to anything related to making insensitive comments on gender and sexuality issues. And most people on DW will deny one can be banned for not taken the action against a specific user on your forum, for such act is hard to justify. Or how do you justify people being picked apart for issues related to Doom and not to off-topic discourse, such as not liking when people speed up monster projectiles? (Sorry, lost the bookmark, but the user who created that topic was Cynical IIRC) There is other plausible explanation for the way things are on DW. The one I consider is that doomworld is simply the DW's staff power outlet. It's where these particular folk have power over a great number of people, and power is not the means but the end to them. They are permanently banning people because they CAN first and foremost, they are not forced to make tough decisions, with such a huge user base any user is expendable. Now every now and then some people give them the moral excuse which can back their actions in the public eye, but not all bans have this fortunate property. They have ways to deal with this, such as banning people without assigning the banned status, so it looks like people just quit on their own, silencing discussions, pressure group gaslighting in advance etc. The want of such power CAN indeed originate in suffering a lot in real life indeed, but it's incorrect to think there is necessary a rational pursuit of creating a safe space. But no doubt some on doomworld will be pleased with your favorable depiction of them. And have it ever occured to you that not every queer person would consider DW a safe place to themselves? P.S. I recommend anyone having too good opinion of activism (BLM, LGBTQ+, human rights, etc.) do something like an "internship" in real-life activist group to see how much of it is dedicated to pursuit of power and not to actual helping the people who are suffering. They don't care about their own when these people can't be used to give them a positive public image.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 14:25:34 GMT -5
My problem with the type of extreme moderation and nit-picking of comments that was referenced here has always been this. To me, there is a massive difference between simply stating something that someone else doesn't agree with versus actively trying to bully/harass/intimidate another person.
I should be able to say, "I believe that there are only two genders" without being labeled some sort of monster who molests children and kicks dogs in the street. If someone feels differently and disagrees, they can either debate me and voice their disagreement, or they can ignore me and just not engage with me. But I just simply don't see how uttering a sentence like that is tantamount to violence, harassment, intimidation, bullying, etc. The West has become a culture of pussies and snowflakes, and Doomworld embodies that sort of mentality. For them, allowing any opinion which goes against theirs is not tolerated, and that's fine because it's their forum. But don't try to couch it as someone being "rude" or "hurtful", when all they've done is expressed a valid opinion that you don't agree with.
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