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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 7:48:57 GMT -5
So, I've quit whichever social cliques weren't doing my mental health any good, but I am still being drawn towards the edge by the world's response to this pandemic. Forcing social distancing measures in a dense as fuck population? You guys are full of shit. Look, I don't really give a fuck how many humans there are in the world, BUT high population density is a fucking problem.
Even out of context of this pandemic. Do you enjoy traffic jams or walking in a packed crowd? I sure hell not.
Until the space colonization occurs, the depopulation is the only other strategy that, in my view, could address the issue of population density - the actual problem.
But how do we do it, without killing people? I think the proper way is to cut down birth rates, especially in areas and demographics where they are unacceptably high: third-world countries, and people of color.
Basically: 1. Cancel all humanitarian aid programs to third-world countries. It's well known that rural communities breed like rabbits, and that's not going to change, so their birth rates should be rightfully matched by mortality rates. 2. Defund all family support programs. Not everybody should be having children. 3. But make education free. Education aids depopulation: educated people are less willing to have many children. 4. Encourage family planning and genetic screening. Dor Yeshorim, etc. Basically, positive eugenics. 5. Recognise abortion - at pregnant woman's sole discretion - as a fundamental human right. Her body, her choice. Besides, I don't think a human being will be destined for a particularly happy life if its very existence is an unwanted burden to its mother.
Sounds good, doesn't it?
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Oct 14, 2021 8:00:50 GMT -5
LESS MAKEY THREADS MORE TAKEY MEDS
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 8:07:51 GMT -5
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Post by Lobo on Oct 14, 2021 10:15:06 GMT -5
Your point is moot in the western world: most reproductive rates are below 1.0 so we're already below replacement levels.
And if density is your issue: get people to move out of the cities to the tiny rural towns that are disappearing because of low brth rates.
No need to reduce population, that's already taken care of.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 11:10:53 GMT -5
What can be done to trim down the total numbers of humans on Earth then?
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Post by Lobo on Oct 14, 2021 11:27:24 GMT -5
Wait.
Old people are going to die, and there are very few young coming up behind. That's the main reason there is a retirement/old age pension crisis already happening in many european countries.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 11:50:25 GMT -5
Ok. Let's approach this way: how to specifically cut down non-white / non-Westerners populations, the ones that are blooming with birth rates right now?
P.S. You have dragged me into the territory of racism, and I don't like being racist, but here it seems there is some racism left in me that I hadn't been previously aware of.
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Post by Lobo on Oct 14, 2021 11:54:51 GMT -5
Everyone is racist one way or the other. Humans are tribal by nature, us vs them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 12:04:02 GMT -5
You really reminded me that there is much more important problem than population density. But I can't even think of a solution to that problem...
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Post by dr_st on Oct 14, 2021 12:10:35 GMT -5
What can be done to trim down the total numbers of humans on Earth then? It is not clear that you must reduce the current population to reach a sustainable environment, but it is pretty clear that improving healthcare and reducing child mortality actually leads to slower population growth. People tend to have fewer children when they feel the chances of survival of the existing ones are higher. So it's pretty much the opposite of #1 on your list.
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Post by P41R47 on Oct 14, 2021 12:32:52 GMT -5
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Post by MegaPancakeStrategist on Oct 14, 2021 12:53:37 GMT -5
"Death to all but metal." - Sans Undertale
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Post by 40oz on Oct 14, 2021 14:09:03 GMT -5
The city you live in is not "the earth." Theres far more square miles / kilometers of rural areas on earth than urban. When you have lots of people concentrated in a small space that cannot sustain itself, thats its own problem, but not an issue of the entire planet.
edit: sorry i didnt read the responses in this thread before posting. looks like this has already been discussed.
But yeah the prospect of population reduction inevitably leads to a conversation about eugenics, and therefore racist/classist. Who is more deserving of life is not really a question worth exploring. If you want to go around stabbing people yourself, does it somehow make you less of a murderer if you push for government legistlation to mandate their lives be taken systematically instead? i think its worse to want people dead without the intimacy of looking into their eyes as they bleed out.
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Oct 14, 2021 14:45:37 GMT -5
How about you depopulate my COCK? Of CUM? Inb4: This thread isn't worthy of even a half-serious response because OP fails to provide a single reason of why exactly is the supposed overpopulation a problem and instead just spends most of the post going on and on about his schizophrenic fantasies of killing black people.
No, traffic jams and fucking big crowds don't count as a reason. That's not even a consequence of overpopulation but something completely different.
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Post by 40oz on Oct 14, 2021 15:44:29 GMT -5
It would be cool if you could live in a location with all the benefits of a big city and all the benefits of living in a more rural area at the same time without the shortcomings of both but for now you'll just deal with the misanthropy i think.
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Post by Lobo on Oct 14, 2021 17:51:18 GMT -5
What exactly ARE the benefits of living in a big city by the way? I (now) live in a town and I'd never go back to a city I think.
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Post by Gokuma on Oct 14, 2021 20:29:29 GMT -5
LEGALIZE MUTUAL COMBAT!! As long as it's kept within some sanctioned zones or arenas to avoid having a violent mess all over the place which hurts bystanders or turns into The Purge.
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Post by P41R47 on Oct 14, 2021 20:30:27 GMT -5
What exactly ARE the benefits of living in a big city by the way? I (now) live in a town and I'd never go back to a city I think. depending who you ask, the answer will be different. For instance, a metrosexual will reply that the city offers more diverse sexual partners to taste. And obviously, less risk on getting caught redhanded, as cityscape have more city minded people, too, that may be seeking the same as you seek. Town is smaller, townsfolk mostly knew each others, the risk is higher. Also, rumors will start spreading if you have different onenight sexual partner on a row. Aside from that, towns are better in every sense. Less noise, more space to do your things without being interrupted, walking to the grocery is an adventure itself, more green and trees, cleaner air. Totally better. Except if you live near a factory that produces a heavy stink, but thats not the usual. Oh, yes, problem is that towns are prone to become hell... You know, small town, big hell. But if one is used to that, thats not heavy problem. You can always do the good Hot Fuzz blow up!
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Oct 15, 2021 1:59:01 GMT -5
What exactly ARE the benefits of living in a big city by the way? I (now) live in a town and I'd never go back to a city I think. I'm from a 2M city but currently live in a 100K one. You're absolutely right. A smaller town offers 90% of what you'd need in a larger one, and for the remaining 10%, taking a small trip is really not an issue if you have a car or your country has a decent public transport system. Not to mention the MILES better air quality and general cleanness, that stuff probably adds an extra 5 years to your lifespan long-term. Also everything in the town is reachable on foot, while yeah have fun with that in a metropolis.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 2:13:11 GMT -5
This thread isn't worthy of even a half-serious response because OP fails to provide a single reason of why exactly is the supposed overpopulation a problem and instead just spends most of the post going on and on about his schizophrenic fantasies of killing black people. No, traffic jams and fucking big crowds don't count as a reason. That's not even a consequence of overpopulation but something completely different. They actually do and yes it is a consequence of overpopulation. That and human nature to consume as much as possible and compete for social status, hence people buying cars, etc. I don't hope to change human nature, thus a better solution is to have less of these shitty humans. Another solution would be to roll back the tech so that humans are more vulnerable to natural disasters (embrace pandemic - the wrath of pagan Gods), thus making consumerism impossible. Won't happen. Thus we are back to "killing humans", or promoting ways of negating the birth rates among those particular blooming with birth (acknowledging that I don't want to wipe out the Westerners cause then everything I value would be forfeit to islamic extremists). Yes sadly eugenics, racism and classism look like my invaluable allies in this fight. Also, in fact everyone except you was actually doing a great job of debunking my arguments - I almost had a change of heart on the issue. Anyway, I acknowledge that most arguments from posters above are actually sound, so at least this discussion is productive in some way. There are a lot of valid issues raised, which I have to think about. Hope we continue going the civil way on this. Remember, none of us are actually enacting any policies we will imagine here, so no need to grill each other for it. If you want to go around stabbing people yourself, does it somehow make you less of a murderer if you push for government legistlation to mandate their lives be taken systematically instead? i think its worse to want people dead without the intimacy of looking into their eyes as they bleed out. Those are the wise words. Hell you're right, maybe I have a hatred for humanity. After all, I had an experience of being bullied when I was growing up, so I could really empathise with Eric Harris and that Dylan folk at the time. I've personally always considered them as victims, not as killers, and as my soul mates - although I'm glad that I never did the things they did, cause at least I can enjoy what Doom has become over this time. So praise be to all who survived the bullying without becoming a school shooter. Life does get better after a long while, not in the sense that suffering ceases, but in a way that you feel vindicated in at least some areas of it, the investments into skills began to pay off. Although still wish I wasn't born to begin with, having to endure it all. There was literally no happy place in my childhood except the road between home and school. Home was a place of suffering, and school was too, somewhere in the middle was the only place where I had good time, walking around in loneliness, thinking all kind of childish thoughts.
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Oct 15, 2021 4:38:01 GMT -5
The problem is not overpopulation, or there being too many people. The problem is that everyone is moving into big cities and life is becoming increasingly centralised around big cities.
In my country (Serbia) 25% of the population live in the capital, while something like 100 villages become empty each year. Imagine if 40 million people lived in Moscow, actually wait, that's already a reality in Japan. That's where your impression of overpopulation comes from. The earth is not overpopulated, the metropolises are.
The native population in most Western countries has been on a steady decline for decades, only growing due to immigration. This is expected and is a result of the increasing standard. There have been experiments even with animals that show that animals don't want to reproduce once they have all their needs fulfilled. Because of this, the way to decrease the global population is, believe it or not, to INVEST in third world countries and raise their standard, not vice versa as you propose. Going back to the example of Japan, they have the largest share of elderly population in the world. If you also take into account that they have little immigration, it's obvious that the issue of overpopulation over there should solve itself by the mid-21st century.
BUT YEAH KILLING PEOPLE IS THE SOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway yeah there's your annual serious Xeep post.
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Post by optimus on Oct 15, 2021 5:02:32 GMT -5
Not a fan of groups/world leaders interfering in the world in such a big scale, maybe we should let the 2nd-3rd world countries to figure out their issues at their own and figure out our own faults. Not sure about the solution to overpopulation, seems to be one of the biggest issues, but it's so macroscale that sometimes I think we are going to hit a peak (like 10 billion) and then it will autocorrect, just like rat populations. I don't even think about it, I mostly think of the local level now, what do I do with my life, what things might affect the local community, etc. Although, covid is an exception, while it's a global phenomenon, it affects all of us locally. I guess overpopulation can affect also things locally through massive immigration or resources depletion/environmental destruction, even if you are not living in an overpopulated country. Oh well..
But the subject fascinates me in the conspiracy perspective. What is the history of groups of people thinking of depopulation? Is it a 20th century trend or is it older? For example, in popular culture but also on various conspiracy related material, there is one number repeated. 500 million. The plan to reduce the population to 500 million. Where does this number come from? Did someone in the 20th or 19th century calculated that this is the exact number we should thrive for? I've noticed it in various things: - The Georgia Guidestones - Utopia (British TV series) - The amazing story of Paul Amadeus Dienach (I think I read it in this weird novel-pseudo time travel story, depopulation under a billion or half a billion?) - I don't remember, but more new world order plan conspiracies, they all say 500 million as a limit. Why this number? Where does it come from?
Fascinating, and thread is popcorn.
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Post by Lobo on Oct 15, 2021 13:53:20 GMT -5
xeep, your last post was actually a good post: well done! Sometimes I forget there is a brain behind that enormous cock 😉
Eugenics was extremely popular in the 19th century too. Actually what would now be called "mainstream".
I still think there is NO overpopulation crisis to be honest. As others have pointed out, the population density in cities is NOT the whole planet. Just a city issue.
And on the benefits of cities: seems there is consensus that the only advantage is having a wider sexual pool to fish in. That was also the only thing I could think of: glad to see that I'm not alone.
And finally, VigilantDoomer, For what it's worth, I loved school because it was not home: I think you can understand what I mean. But that's the past. Move on chief.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 16:06:51 GMT -5
Lobo I brought the childhood theme because it's the first thing that appeared when I first brought the subject of depopulation in one of the threads on COVID-19 crisis or something, when you were terrified by my post and the controversy of it coming from the anti-totalitarian person. The thing is, my anti-totalitarian views formed later in life because of my experience, while my depopulation and some even pro-totalitarian views formed in my childhood, so what you witnessed is the dormant volcano coming active and spilling some ancient materia from the the Earth-forming plates. My parents were and still are communists, and I picked a few pro-totalitarian views from them, for example, I used to think Stalin was a cool person, and sometimes his image really pops shining in my head when I need to defend some extreme disciplinary measures against lazy co-workers or whatever. Anyway, the necessity of depopulation is one of the core irrational attitudes formed during times were things sink and are hard to erase even throughout the rest of life, that is, the pre-teen years. Ditto with the attitude that humans are the worst vermin of planet Earth, and that wiping out humanity entirely would be for the Earth's benefit. Another attribute of attitudes formed so early is that they can be brought forth as a defense mechanism against intense psychic pain, like in case of some person relentlessly and callously promoting vaccination on this board, restriction measures, defending vaccine passports etc. or some similar things happening in the world which I can learn from news or from interaction with people in real-life. So, basically when you called me out on contradiction between my views of culling to achieve depopulation and my anti-totalitarism stance, I actually bothered to reflect on it a lot, and managed to find an explaination to this contradiction. My anti-totalitarian views, and views against data collection and against social networks only began to form in late teens, they are not as deep seated, although still very relevant, to the point that I never had a social network account. When both "former" and "newer" views are considered together, there'll be a lot of contradictions. And my development didn't end in late teens, either. I then survived a big crisis in my life, after which I started to acquire yet another bunch of character traits I never had, coming up with views I would never reach on my own where it not for the very acute source of... power (as in knowledge, or rather way to live that leads to formative experience and so to real knowledge) I tapped into in order to survive. Now this new stuff would render all preceeding obsolete, where it not for the fact that I learned not to make much assumptions. Yet whatever triggers my defense mechanisms still falls back to older modes of behavior, where things are certain and dogmatic, and depopulation is the goal of its own that needs no justification, really - just must be pursued ruthlessly for its own sake. Or maybe for the sake of telling people who want me to vaccinate, to respect lockdowns and passports to fuck off. Cause really, I wasn't running around telling we need depopulation until those fuckers came with their oppressive schemes. Maybe killing all those who promote vaccination, lockdowns and passports would be a real solution to the problem.
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Post by Lobo on Oct 15, 2021 16:39:45 GMT -5
You might get lucky: maybe the vaccine will kill everyone who took it and we'll be on the road to that magic illuminati 500 million population 😉
Course that will suck for anyone vaccinated!
Taking my tin foil hat off now 😂
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