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Post by 3t0 on Aug 20, 2022 7:36:14 GMT -5
Hmm I am recovering from covid currently, but it seems that ipk3 loader works with custom ikp3 then?
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Post by camper on Aug 21, 2022 5:34:58 GMT -5
Hmm I am recovering from covid currently, but it seems that ipk3 loader works with custom ikp3 then? I couldn't run standalone ipk3 without a bootable wad (11 kB) file in iwad folder (see doomer.boards.net/post/46078/thread).
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Post by 3t0 on Sept 8, 2022 5:09:46 GMT -5
Anybody tried porting Cheello to k8v, or we are missing something to make it possible?
I remember ket working on voxels recentlish?
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Post by ketmar on Sept 8, 2022 5:30:19 GMT -5
i'm alive, but distracted by other projects. ;-) (mostly by my code editor, which is dangerously close to Emacs at this stage ;-).
k8vavoom voxel support is more advanced than in GZDoom, including building big final model from submodels with custom transformations (something GZDoom cannot do, afaik), and even custom translucency settings (that's what i did for techlamps, they have separate translucent glass parts).
p.s.: i must admit that GZDoom voxel limitations are mostly due to its software renderer. i don't have this legacy around, so i implemented voxels as Yet Another Model Format instead.
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Post by camper on Sept 8, 2022 7:46:03 GMT -5
Is the configuration (text files) for voxel models now simpler or more hard than standard 3d models?
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Post by ketmar on Sept 8, 2022 7:55:01 GMT -5
it is exactly the same, because they ARE 3d models. of course, i'm talking about Vavoom/k8vavoom .xml model definition files, GZDoom MODELDEF support is a hack that cannot do even half of what k8vavoom can do with models.
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Post by 3t0 on Sept 8, 2022 8:40:57 GMT -5
i'm alive, but distracted by other projects. ;-) (mostly by my code editor, which is dangerously close to Emacs at this stage ;-). I got afraid that something happened, you haven't written some time and the war is still on so... good to know everything is "fine". So are you implementing your own LISP ? k8vavoom voxel support is more advanced than in GZDoom, including building big final model from submodels with custom transformations (something GZDoom cannot do, afaik), and even custom translucency settings (that's what i did for techlamps, they have separate translucent glass parts). How this is achieved, by having two kvx "models" (tans part and opaque part) at the same position?
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Post by ketmar on Sept 8, 2022 11:17:38 GMT -5
So are you implementing your own LISP ? thank you, enough LISPs for the time being. i already have around 5 of them implemented. ;-) How this is achieved, by having two kvx "models" (tans part and opaque part) at the same position? Vavoom in-game models are built from submodels, kinda like a very primitive "skeletal modelling". only you don't have "attach points" for submodels, and have to specify all transformations manually. i mean, in-game model is not the same thing as on-disk model. in-game model is a composition of one or more on-disk models.
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Post by ketmar on Sept 10, 2022 11:38:27 GMT -5
lol. just received a letter from DW, that says that i was given 69 warning points which will never expire for my DW k8vavoom topic. somebody's on high there? yes, it is genuine, i checked the headers. welcome to my blocklist, DW. p.s.: wow. and permabanned (just got a second letter). hi, DW moder, i know you're watching me here. how do you do? ;-)
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Post by camper on Sept 10, 2022 16:23:30 GMT -5
lol. just received a letter from DW, that says that i was given 69 warning points which will never expire for my DW k8vavoom topic. somebody's on high there? This is very strange of them.
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Post by ketmar on Sept 10, 2022 18:59:39 GMT -5
somebody forgot to take their meds, i guess.
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Post by 3t0 on Sept 11, 2022 15:59:23 GMT -5
Interesting, I was thinking about it a bit. The whole thing got very inspirational, so sorry for following drivel, but I simply couldn't do it: Maybe they think that you are Russian agent because of the Red Star ? I believe that in firmware of current average mass produced western idiot Red Star = Russia. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was the case of the ban. I am starting to think that most westerners have brain capacity of an geriatric insect on the verge of death and they cannot possibly even discern among us Slavs . Our superior intellect, complex languages and very complex history and historical relations, usually "don't give a fuck just let me live" attitude (after all the shit we went through together), historical periods where we helped and abused each other in turns, complex love-hate relationships we have among ourselves, the fact that we are all Christians, Orthodox, Muslims, Jews and Pagans at the same time all Slavs, is something that is obviously beyond processing capability of feeble, degenerated and emotional and effeminate westerner's mind: it cannot really comprehend the complexities of actual reality. After all, it confuses man with a titjob for a woman. Although I have to admit, that some of these men with titjobs, look better and behave more womanly then some other men's girlfriends and wives. What a strange world we live in... After "The Collapse", as soon as I could read well enough I read both Kapital and other works, to learn what the fuzz was about: and it was nothing. But I believe it might just seem to be very dangerous book for some, because it rips of capitalism's skirt and you get to see it's rotten underbelly for what it really is, infected and rotting parts. Then you could get some dangerous thoughts and ideas, like trying to "fix it". We, who survived all that "fixing", we all know very well it won't really work since there is this atrocious thing of human nature which will fuck up all the fixing, turning the fixers into monsters and fixing into horror of tragic proportions. Since then I read several other Marxists and Communist works, but nothing was really new to me, I already thought similar things before everything, and if you have the working eyes you just see it: everything is pretty obvious, in plain sight, you just need to have psychic problems, mental illness or be specifically conditioned to not be able to perceive (brainwash is really strong in some). Anyway the thing will "fix" itself automatically, because people will always get what they wished for, so there is nothing to fix really. It would all be too ridiculous, too funny, if it was not so terrifying to realize what kind of "things", not even humans, we are living here on this planet with. That is the horror part. Those other insects with human faces among us humans. I think 69 points is strangely beautiful and poetic, amusing even - like two transwomen sucking each other's members.
10/10 I do approve ,).
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Post by ketmar on Sept 11, 2022 16:18:38 GMT -5
i like 69 points too. it looks so… playful, almost like an invitation. it's sad that moderation on DW is anonymous, i'd like to know which one of them finds me so attractive.
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Post by ketmar on Sept 12, 2022 1:07:38 GMT -5
hm… i just thought… i recently wrote:
the magic word "kiwifarms" usually works as "cancel trigger", lol.
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Post by 3t0 on Sept 12, 2022 5:20:59 GMT -5
That can not be right. I refuse to believe that, I'd rather believe my red star theory . <ramble> But I kinda get it: I was once in discussion with american person, and suddenly got accused of being, I cite: "alt-right". As far as I knew "alt-right" was fringe term and often was used to mean nazis and nazi-aligned communities. I don't interact much with randos on internet, so I was completely oblivious to recent development of it meaning (at least in US) "anything I don't like from sane person of completely different cultural background than mine". I, of course, got some warnings for my behaviour, some punishment too (like removed irc voice) and I was flabbergasted by the outcome. This other person then came to me on a side and wrote me a message "dude, be careful, alt-right doesn't mean what you think anymore, it is used as excuse by certain majority to get what they want". I was speechless. Suddenly I got blasted back into 1987-1989 when I was a kid and everybody had two faces: public face and deep friends and family face. At home, when barbecuing near campfire, in a discreet "low class" pub (inns were categorized into classes, class I. was highest and class IV. was lowest (you could smell piss in WCs in IV class - having not enough cleaners and janitors to run there every 10-30 minutes modern pigs of a people need to have semblance of clean restrooms - today everything is fake), plenty of drunks ... but no(!) homeless and bums), everybody was silently mocking Party and Planned Economy and everything, but nobody sane would go out and say that in public, or to their upper management (which was basically extension of the system). Everybody had public face, supporting the regime and inner face mocking it into oblivion. Thinking back, one thing that was cool though, was that there were no homeless. Not working was a "Crime against Socialist Society" punishable by 2-8 years I think (not important, important was that without current work registration you went straight to jail), and you would get permanent record of a Parasite. This was worse than than being marked as sex offender, because everybody who could pull up your papers would immediately know you were useless bum not helping a society . This was great for alcohol and drug addicted, because they got locked up in prison and had to work, to pay for their expenses, often getting out of their addictions (only to fall to them immediately after released - and get jailed again for not working - eternal cycle). I remember never seeing homeless in my life as a kid, maybe twice, and both were old men who actually had homes, but were mentally ill enough to not be able to work, but still not enough to be locked in institutions. Even they "worked". I remember them collecting glass into the small carts (bottles and jars) which was fully recycled (not like today), to make some money, besides Mental Disability Pension they were getting. Anyway back to the topic - these semi-normal people present there when my exchange happened, all pretended same way like our people back then, that problem doesn't exist, fearing of the all-mighty mods as if they were the Party Politruks. All of them doublethinking: having inner thoughts on how fucked up it all was, and public presentation supporting the "idea". It was magical. Because I "knew it", since forever, I easily let go, but man, still. Thinking about it a bit more, modern forums and communities seem like these former-communist states, they have everything, Political Elite, even Papalshs. Funny how everything different is so same. So much for Land of Free and freedom of Internet. Thank you Internet it was cool while it lasted . </ramble> I love k8v's Red Star, it is the right symbol to stir everything up the right way.
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Post by camper on Sept 12, 2022 8:59:23 GMT -5
Vavoom in-game models are built from submodels, kinda like a very primitive "skeletal modelling". only you don't have "attach points" for submodels, and have to specify all transformations manually. This means that parts of the model can be removed during the game? For example, shoot off limbs like in Chasm?
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Post by 3t0 on Sept 12, 2022 10:09:18 GMT -5
I think he means much lower level, more like quake3 submodel, with different material.
How hard it would be to get attachment points to get working?
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Post by ketmar on Sept 12, 2022 10:27:24 GMT -5
I think he means much lower level, more like quake3 submodel, with different material. yep. How hard it would be to get attachment points to get working? i don't see any sane reason to implement that.
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Post by 3t0 on Sept 13, 2022 15:09:20 GMT -5
i don't see any sane reason to implement that. Come on swappable voxel guns?
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Post by ketmar on Sept 13, 2022 15:20:01 GMT -5
Come on :) swappable voxel guns? …can be done by different states with different sprites. actually, that's how it should be done in idTech1.
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Post by camper on Sept 14, 2022 3:18:04 GMT -5
I couldn't load floor lamp models (Sauerbraten\packages\models\dcp\groundlamp) from cube 2 instead of lamp.md2. I just put them in a folder and change the names in the models.xml file and in other necessary files. But nothing works. In doing so, I was able to load the assault rifle model instead of the machine gun (in the world, not in the hand) from the assault cube.
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Post by 3t0 on Sept 14, 2022 4:20:32 GMT -5
camper not having time to test this week but there was semi(?) official(?) md2 model pack for vavoom. It works well in k8v, have you looked at it? I think it uses all the features.
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Post by ketmar on Sept 14, 2022 4:38:49 GMT -5
it doesn't use even half of the features available for model definition in k8vavoom. ;-)
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Post by RastaManGames on Sept 18, 2022 4:25:42 GMT -5
It is possible to add MBF21 support? ( ) And also... Why K8Vavoom can't see Boom's ANIMATED lump and instead of loading he just throws an error? :'(
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Post by ketmar on Sept 18, 2022 9:48:55 GMT -5
MBF21 is a misfeature, and i have no plans to implement it. sorry. boom animated textures lump should work, tho (at least sometimes; tying animation frames to WAD file order cannot work reliably). if k8vavoom cannot read ANIMATED at all, then it means that the lump data is wrong. if it simply fails to animate textures, it means that the engine hit a situation where file order cannot be properly determined, only guessed, and the guess was wrong.
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