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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 22:30:28 GMT -5
How do you do it? How does anybody just lay down, close the eyes and stop thinking?
I have been awake since 9am fucking Wednesday now, currently it is 4:30 am Friday and I feel like I'm going to shift off this mortal coil soon.
I am so tired yet I cannot sleep at all, I've taken pills and everything yet here I am looking into the abyss wondering why God hates me.
How'd you do it? How do you just lie down and die? I'd really like to know.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 23:04:24 GMT -5
Don't die yet. If you were meant to die, you'd catch COVID-19 and die.
I've got problems with sleep lately too, although it is more like inability to relax - not as extreme as yours. I do get some sleep, just not enough - I go to bed late (while the normal would be in fact early for me), but wake up early, and can't go back to sleep. Also, I wake up several times at night for years already, even when sleeping time was normal otherwise.
The weather is shit lately and isolation fucking kills, I've abandoned planning and now just have fun with games. The only thing that allows to experience me fun.
One of the reasons I can't fall asleep lately, by the way, is that it is cold out there, and yet it is already past the season where they heat up your house. And they also switched off hot water delivery, too - they are on schedule, it is a planned work (it is not presumed for it to be safe to be on all year in Russia, they have to check it, replace something, and that takes two weeks, and you are without hot water for all that time, you have to boil it yourself), they do it every year. So it is fucking cold at night and in the morning and I keep and old computer up at night, which does warm the house a bit, but is making noise and makes sleeping worse. Also they do not permit you to go the street here, thanks to COVID-19, with few exceptions (you are going to nearest store to buy something). So I am locked in a freezing house as if I was under arrest.
Here is one tip I used to fall asleep: - Switch off computer or at least go off the internet one hour before you plan to sleep. All the self-care duties like brushing your teeth should also be scheduled before that hour. Actually, if your problems are extreme, perhaps consider switching off all disturbances (mobile phones) that would keep you hooked to something, so you don't have the temptation to check them. If you think you might miss something, that maybe those thoughts that prevent you to getting asleep, or contribute to it anyway.
Well, unfortunately, I stopped doing that, and the fact that now I have to keep computer up at night to get at least some warmth doesn't help.
P.S. The thing with depression, for example, is that every episode actually has an end, but to know it you'll have to experience it many times. It is possible for a man to fight it without medication if they are able to learn from experience. Some people manage to snuff themselves out before learning from that experience, unfortunately. Also the reason not to try is that if you fail killing yourself, your life may become even more miserable, you may get admitted to an institution or something. That would totally suck.
You could try to do some testing feedback on current DBP in meanwhile. Maps keep coming right now and they could use more testers.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 4:19:42 GMT -5
- Don't do anything while lying in bed ever. Teach your body that bed is for sleeping. - Clean your room, make it look as nice as you can. It should be a pleasant place to sleep in. - Try to engage in useful, enriching activities during the day so that at night you feel like you've spent your time productively and deserve to rest. - Always go to bed at the same time no matter what, no exceptions. Teach your body when is the time to shut down. That time shouldn't be later than 0:00 btw. - Use f.lux or other software that adjusts the colors on the screen according to time of day. Your eyes need to know in advance that sleep time is approaching. - Think about the exciting things you're going to do tomorrow. Hype yourself up for the next day. - It's probably impossible to stop thinking completely, but you can choose what to think about. Make sure that it's things which make you feel more comfortable. - Don't beat yourself up over this. It's totally normal to have sleep problems in the modern world with all its distractions and sources of stress. Keep trying!
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Post by DOEL on May 22, 2020 4:22:32 GMT -5
I know you said you've taken pills but I'll throw some suggestions out anyway. Melatonin, diphenhydramine, and doxylamine are typically effective OTC sleep aids. For something more "hard hitting" but addictive you could try looking into phenibut or of course alcohol.
Also addictive but prescription (or obtained by other means) only include benzodiazepines. There *are* "grey market" options such as etizolam or clonazolam but this class of drug is highly addictive both physically and psychologically and can become dangerous very quickly.
Other prescription drugs which aid in sleep but are less likely to become problematic include trazodone, quetiapine, hydroxyzine, zolpidem, and clonidine.
A technique that I use to induce sleep is to gradually relax every part of my body sequentially starting from the bottom then working my way up. If you do it right, there's a sensation of being "strapped" to the earth. Also, let the mind wander but try not to "hold" on to your thoughts.
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Post by dmdr on May 22, 2020 4:26:52 GMT -5
turn your computer off 2 hours before bed. That includes all telephones and shit like that too. Use eg. LeechBlockNG or StayFocusd to help enforce this.
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Post by 40oz on May 22, 2020 11:06:37 GMT -5
Sleep is hit and miss a lot of times. Sometimes I can sleep within a few minutes, other times i cant sleep for hours.
You've probably heard this before but you might simply have insomnia as many people do. I recommend dmdr's suggestion of getting away from screens for at least an hour or two before a particular bed time. (backlit screens trick the brain into believing its still daytime) I also recommend sticking to a specific eating schedule instead of just eating when you're hungry. I've heard its good to stop eating 12 hours before the time you intend to wake up in the morning and that has worked very well for me (this is harder to do recently when responsibilities are few and far between.) And/or some sort of physical activity for 30 minutes to an hour sometime each day.
If you don't already do these things and it's depression related, I understand the struggle of having to will yourself into doing it.
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on May 22, 2020 12:02:56 GMT -5
Don't lie in bed except when sleeping, memfis spittin str8 fax here Jacking off helps (but no porn) Cold shower before bed helps, the longer the better Warm milk really works, but don't use a kettle to heat it up. Just don't. Reading something helps, even on phone (night mode + blue light filter on ofc) Put on an ASMR or an interview on your computer and set it to auto-turn off in X hrs/minutes
Although if you've been awake for 48 hrs, I think you might need medical help. I've never went longer than 24 hrs without sleep, and when I went that far, I never had the slightest issue falling asleep since I literally felt dead.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 12:05:20 GMT -5
I've heard its good to stop eating 12 hours before the time you intend to wake up in the morning and that has worked very well for me Hmm, don't you get like really hungry right before going to bed? I can't imagine falling asleep comfortably while craving food.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 17:04:44 GMT -5
I've taken all this into consideration, probably going to go try to sleep just after I post this, feel like death woke up and didn't have coffee.
It's not a very common problem I have but it happens enough times to make me want to do something about it, as noted doctor's recommended sleepy pills suck at their job but to be frank that is to be expected, poor old underfunded NHS.
Thanks for advice peeps.
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Post by DOEL on May 22, 2020 17:53:12 GMT -5
I've taken all this into consideration, probably going to go try to sleep just after I post this, feel like death woke up and didn't have coffee. It's not a very common problem I have but it happens enough times to make me want to do something about it, as noted doctor's recommended sleepy pills suck at their job but to be frank that is to be expected, poor old underfunded NHS. Thanks for advice peeps. May I ask what medication they prescribed you for sleep? Mostly just curious.
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Post by 40oz on May 22, 2020 19:12:16 GMT -5
Has your lifestyle changed recently? Like with quarantine and all? Are you out of work? Unable to do stuff you normally do? Is your mind fixated on stuff thats making you anxious? You dont have to answer but perhaps if the answer is yes to some of those things that could have something to do with it too.
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Post by Justince on May 23, 2020 10:22:23 GMT -5
Pot. Smoke some pot. All it's ever done to me is knock me the fuck out. But I'm an American so you can walk down to the corner and get it.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 2:27:20 GMT -5
Many excellent responses here. For me personally, pot + sounds of rain or some other sort of basic, relaxing background noise tends to do the trick.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 2:41:19 GMT -5
Wait, what the hell happened to war on drugs in America? Won't the war on terrorism end up this way, too? I recall there was a picture on the internets where there was a comparison of war on drugs and war on terrorism. One dude was talking on the phone to another, and it ended like: "Damn, if only the war on drugs was not such a success! I could really smoke some fucking marijuana right now".
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Post by DOEL on May 24, 2020 2:59:09 GMT -5
Wait, what the hell happened to war on drugs in America? Won't the war on terrorism end up this way, too? I recall there was a picture on the internets where there was a comparison of war on drugs and war on terrorism. One dude was talking on the phone to another, and it ended like: "Damn, if only the war on drugs was not such a success! I could really smoke some fucking marijuana right now". I live in an illegal state and it sucks. Fake carts, hit-or-miss flower, edibles (my favorte) are rare. Of course, it's also overpriced and you have to have connections. The war on drugs makes no sense, even for "harder" stuff.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 8:35:23 GMT -5
Do an intense cardio workout almost every day, and at night you will fall asleep like a baby.
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Post by 40oz on May 24, 2020 8:50:03 GMT -5
Wait, what the hell happened to war on drugs in America? Marijuana is still recognized federally (under the US Supreme Court) as a Schedule 1 drug, which makes it as illegal as hard drugs such as cocaine or heroin. Individual states have recognized the medicinal benefits of pot and have made moves to decriminalize or legalize it for recreational use, often under conditions that you have a prescribed medical marijuana card from your doctor. Though still many states havent budged and sometimes theres some legal fine print that makes it unclear how and where you can use it. Socially, its become more accepted by everyone under the age of 45 as pretty much every comedy movie and comedy tv series in the last ten years has a "getting high" part in it. And its been a pretty common conversation topic in widely popular podcasts. So most of the time you can get it from a friend and use it pretty safely in your house. As far as I know, police in my state (Pennsylvania) dont take the illegalization of weed very seriously. However, I think it remains illegal because it remains one of those petty things police can use to tack on additionally to some other small charge to ensure you pay for it. Say, for example, you were to make a traffic violation like driving over the speed limit or not stopping at at a stop sign, and you have weed on your person. If the officer doesnt "like" you (i.e. youre uncooperative, argumentative, or you "fit the profile" of someone thats likely to commit a more serious crime later on) then they can combine a dozen or so lesser offenses to make sure your fine is larger or that you serve some jail time if you cant pay it. The "war on drugs" is still being waged because without decriminalizing and legalizing it, amnesty cannot be granted to the many nonviolent inmates who are currently serving sentences for doing in the past what is socially acceptable today. It seems like the states and federal government are just kinda waiting it out until the initial shock about the seriousness of the problem kinda fizzles out.
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Post by dmdr on May 24, 2020 20:48:47 GMT -5
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Post by DOEL on May 24, 2020 23:16:14 GMT -5
Anerican drug law us designed around 2 things: encouraging drugs that in some way benefit profitability and discouraging drugs that are associated with specific groups of people.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 3:34:20 GMT -5
Do an intense cardio workout almost every day, and at night you will fall asleep like a baby. This is the correct answer. Honestly most insomnia is a first-world problem. Exercise vigorously, either in your profession or in a workout and you'll sleep well. Also, go to sleep at the same time every night and get up at the same time every morning. Sleep hygiene is often a reflection of how healthy you are in general. Eat a healthy diet of unprocessed foods, high protein, good fats, moderate carbs. Exercise daily. Be productive. Get the fuck off of social media and internet as often as possible. Minimize or eliminate stress. Sleep is very important, good luck to you!
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Post by dmdr on May 26, 2020 0:20:18 GMT -5
Anerican drug law us designed around 2 things: encouraging drugs that in some way benefit profitability and discouraging drugs that are associated with specific groups of people.
Who profits from a country full of addicts exactly?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 7:21:57 GMT -5
Anerican drug law us designed around 2 things: encouraging drugs that in some way benefit profitability and discouraging drugs that are associated with specific groups of people.
Who profits from a country full of addicts exactly?
The pharmaceutical industry.
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Post by dmdr on May 26, 2020 7:45:01 GMT -5
Quite. One wonders why the US government doesn't seem to be taking much interest in the problems associated with prescription opioids though, since surely they'd want a healthy, productive citizenry -- note also the massive increase in ODs involving both eg. illegal heroin and other synthetic drugs over the past few years in that link I posted ( again for the lazy), so it's not like the addicts are only giving their money to the industry. Isn't that lost profit?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 8:03:13 GMT -5
Do an intense cardio workout almost every day, and at night you will fall asleep like a baby. This is the correct answer. Honestly most insomnia is a first-world problem. Exercise vigorously, either in your profession or in a workout and you'll sleep well. Also, go to sleep at the same time every night and get up at the same time every morning. Sleep hygiene is often a reflection of how healthy you are in general. Eat a healthy diet of unprocessed foods, high protein, good fats, moderate carbs. Exercise daily. Be productive. Get the fuck off of social media and internet as often as possible. Minimize or eliminate stress. Sleep is very important, good luck to you! I agree, I would feel like garbage physically (and spiritually), if I didn't get at least 30-40 mins of exercise in, almost everyday. I've also eliminated drinking for the most part, other than an occasional drink for a celebration. I keep carbs to a minimum, and eat lot of fruits, vegetables, and meat. I mostly have fish for dinner, with a side salad. Nevertheless, my body can metabolize carbs and alcohol pretty well.
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Post by DOEL on May 27, 2020 21:08:21 GMT -5
Quite. One wonders why the US government doesn't seem to be taking much interest in the problems associated with prescription opioids though, since surely they'd want a healthy, productive citizenry -- note also the massive increase in ODs involving both eg. illegal heroin and other synthetic drugs over the past few years in that link I posted ( again for the lazy), so it's not like the addicts are only giving their money to the industry. Isn't that lost profit? The FDA has made it more difficult to obtain things like opioids and benzodiazepines hurting people who actually need those types of substances. Methadone programs for those with opioid addiction issues have been around for a while. What I meant by profitability is that drugs that are believed to aid productivity are usually not as demonized, the FDA schedulings could be evidence of this. Note that depressants aren't automatically anti-productive, low to moderate doses of opioids for example, depending on the person, can make one *more* productive, especially with manual labor. Also drugs that pharmaceutical companies can make money off of and sometimes patent are somewhat treated more laxly. This is essentially how we ended up with the opioid addiction crisis. To be fair, any doctor who bought into the idea that hydrocodone or oxycodone are non-addictive alternatives to other opioids clearly had little to no understanding of the pharmacology involved. Regardess, drug law in the US and perhaps most places is an utter mess.
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