joe-ilya
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Post by joe-ilya on May 18, 2020 17:44:23 GMT -5
In case you missed; I was unbanned from DW by Esselfortium last month, and spent the time chatting there, rekindling with everybody there, having a great time. Admittedly though, I got into a debate whether it's ok to make a map and let people decide if to replace an existing map in a community project.
When all of the sudden, I get banned again, I thought it was because of the debate, maybe I said something wrong, but the ban page tells me that I'm evading a ban, and a completely unrelated (to the debate) reply of mine gets deleted, I go ask Essel with what's going on, but she says that Linguica re-banned me, even though he knew that Essel unbanned me anyway, which begs the question; why did Linguica lie about me evading a ban? You don't lie unless you have something to hide, so my assumption is that he just simply hates me and doesn't want to say it, to keep his image clean. I mean, what else could it be? You don't just lie about a ban like that. I tried contacting Linguica twice, and both times he blocked me, without saying a word.
All this time I thought DoomWorld's bans were reasonable, just like that one time I called Essel names, but now I see that they're not reasonable, 40oz's, Glenzinho's and Tracer's bans now make sense. Linguica threatening 40oz to ban ppl in Doomer Boards over his DW account makes sense, and so is the seemingly random ban of Glenzinho and Tracer.
I'm sorry for doubting you, 40oz and @glenzinho , you are right about DoomWorld, or at least just Linguica, because the rest of the mods were supportive of me when I was there.I just suck, sorry everyone.
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Post by thundercunt on May 18, 2020 18:27:09 GMT -5
welcome to the club
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 18:59:06 GMT -5
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Post by xeepeep on May 18, 2020 22:21:21 GMT -5
Try asking essel if she could get an explanation out of him. If she unbanned you then I think she'd go the extra way to find out.
I got banned for putting "BigDick" in my username lol. I hadn't made a proper post in over a year when I got banned.
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Post by 40oz on May 18, 2020 23:37:38 GMT -5
No need for apologies That is pretty fuckin stupid that you got unbanned by request just to be banned again for "ban evading." Such a stupid rule.
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joe-ilya
Hey, Ron! Can we say 'fuck' in the game?
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Post by joe-ilya on May 19, 2020 3:48:47 GMT -5
Try asking essel if she could get an explanation out of him. If she unbanned you then I think she'd go the extra way to find out. I got banned for putting "BigDick" in my username lol. I hadn't made a proper post in over a year when I got banned. All she said was that he said that he generally doesn't like the way I post, but then why tell different things to different people? My guess is that banning me for a so called "ban evasion" sounds a lot better than "generally not liking the way I post". Too bad he didn't account for his mods not blocking me like he did and telling me the truth instead. I'd be cool if he told me that he doesn't like me being controversial or something, but I'm not cool with blatant lies. Fuck that attitude. Lol at being banned for having BigDick in your nickname, Lingiica just banning people he personally doesn't like, is a dictionary example of a literal Nazi, not even exaggerating here, look it up. Who's alt-right now?
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Post by nxGangrel on May 19, 2020 8:10:30 GMT -5
This alone is reason enough to never warrant a revisit to DW ever again, Jesus Crisis. Linguica threatening 40oz to ban ppl in Doomer Boards over his DW account makes sense What the fuck? Well I missed something.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 8:54:50 GMT -5
I asked about the ban evasion message and essel replied: "idk why it was set to that, but the reason for the ban was explained to him directly". Do you know what essel is talking about?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 9:19:16 GMT -5
I think, in Orwellian Newspeak, it was evasion all right. You evaded Linguica's desire to keep you banned permanently.
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joe-ilya
Hey, Ron! Can we say 'fuck' in the game?
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Post by joe-ilya on May 19, 2020 9:49:25 GMT -5
I asked about the ban evasion message and essel replied: "idk why it was set to that, but the reason for the ban was explained to him directly". Do you know what essel is talking about? Like I said, Linguica told Essel that he generally doesn't like the way I post, I was not given a specific example. All I have is a speculation about that one small inoffensive argument about a Doom map, but is it really enough to just ban me instantly forever over it? There was no politics or bad blood, so I'm not sure if that was the reason.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 10:26:22 GMT -5
From what I understand, there is no one specific reason, it's a sum of everything you've done. You already had a history of making arrogant posts for which you got banned in the past, and yet when you were generously given another chance you almost immediately engaged in the same kind of behavior. Seriously, when multiple people told you that you're not being very nice, didn't it cross your mind that perhaps you should tread more carefully?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 11:18:54 GMT -5
Memfis, you should have taken your own advice prior to being banned yourself from DW. I surely did notice you've gotten more agitated months before the demo contest happened. Someone I know IRL also got in real trouble after seemingly also being unusually agitated for months, picking arguments out of nowhere, etc. Sometimes you can see people are "going to hell", that they are behaving like they are going to snap soon and probably even commit a violent crime, and that's the impression you posts were giving me at the time. The contest was bullshit, of course, the crowd was like they were in Rome watching gladiators beat each other to death but you could just refrain from further participating and accept the loss. In fact, I think it's plausible the contest was a deliberate setup to get rid of you, with expectations that you are going to snap under pressure to keep winning, although they not necessary expected you to cheat, more likely to post something banworthy, or just give up on going to doomworld entirely.
Someone on DW brought up that you told you were on medicine, wasn't this some kind of antihistamine? I know cetirizine (Zyrtec, Cetrin) may cause agitation and uncontrollable immediate verbal aggression (which comes up in response to anything that frustrates you, starting from questions you don't understand the context of, such as that from your relatives, etc, or simply actions that get in your way). It sets in after mere 3 days of daily intake and goes away after 24 hours passed since the last pill if you stop early. Also is accompanied by blurred, "desharpened" vision, the agitation and blurred vision seems to go hand in hand: both appear (after 3 days of intake) and disappear (after withdrawal) at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 11:25:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I was a very unpleasant figure in my later Doomworld years. I think it's ridiculous to suggest that the contest was some kind of a setup lol. Also I wasn't on antidepressants or anything mind-altering like that. I did a bad thing, I'm completely responsible for doing it and I can't shift the blame on some external circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 11:46:08 GMT -5
Antihistamines are not antidepressants, though. Their primary purpose is to treat allergy, they are prescribed by dermatologists. The first line of treatment, unfortunately, seems to include non-sedative antihistamines which have aggression as a possible side-effect, yet it is not always listed on the sheet that goes with medicine (mine didn't mention what I was experiencing), I have to look it up on the web, and there even Wikipedia would list it.
I've currently switched doctor to another one, and we switched antihistamines a few times. The latest appear not to have any significant side-effects, and also works (unlike whatever before we tried) - it usually causes sedation in people but that is easily countered, unlike agitation - you just have to occupy yourself with something as soon as you get up. In fact, you won't even be any calmer than usual if you try to speedrun something in the morning. Sedation and sleepiness can only set in when you are bored and choose to do nothing. The doctors prefer non-sedative drugs because a lot of people drive, but imagine feeling so agitated that you want to run people over - I think antihistamines are simply incompatible with any kind of driving. If you are having an allergy and want it to be treated - don't drive until it's treated, that's simple.
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joe-ilya
Hey, Ron! Can we say 'fuck' in the game?
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Post by joe-ilya on May 19, 2020 12:11:08 GMT -5
I did get more careful, at first I was cocky with my map because I thought I made something that would make everyone happy. But when I saw people getting emotional, I told them that I couldn't resist making the map, because it's fun, and that I was ok and well aware of rejection before making the map.
So, like, how much lighter can I tread? Do I have to be a submissive bitch and just take it?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 13:36:13 GMT -5
I thought that I didn't see more posts from you. Maybe it's for the best joe, you should have expected to be on a very very very thin ice to be allowed back there and this situation looks like something that in most cases would have been resolved with some warning at worst. Then to give you a suggestion and something to reflect on it's your attitude that pisses people off. If I were the leader of a community project and you come to say that you don't like map x for reasons it would be totally fine; but you do that only to say that I should consider your map you promptly made for the occasion and so I would tell you to "pls fuck off and die". This tells me that you are more interested to shoehorn your name in that community project and you want to do that without any respect for the other mappers. Dobu Gabu Maru's response was reasonable (and he said that he even liked your map bacause this isn't about the QUALITY) and it could have ended there if you didn't double down on this, maybe some "like-chasers" would came anyway but who cares about them. This ban sucks but at least learn something from it. What the fuck? Well I missed something. Yes. No. Maybe. It wa the SARAIS INCIDENT that got 40oz banned on dw, you can search on this place and judge for yourself.
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Post by nxGangrel on May 19, 2020 14:20:21 GMT -5
^Oh I just didn't understand the connection at first, but I figured it out. Kinda of a stupid reason, but I mean...
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Post by Smite of Disrespect on May 19, 2020 14:53:16 GMT -5
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Post by dn on May 19, 2020 14:56:17 GMT -5
I swear some of you fucks have stockholm syndrome.
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joe-ilya
Hey, Ron! Can we say 'fuck' in the game?
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Post by joe-ilya on May 19, 2020 14:57:07 GMT -5
Just because I think the concept isn't fully realized doesn't mean I think the map is bad at all, I wanted to make my version, and decided to show it off. I didn't think competing for a slot would be bad either, yeah I did it without permission, so what? No need to call me rude or whatever. Simply reject it.
If I said my map is better than Processing's, I'm sorry, I slipped and fucked up. It is only better in the representation of the hangar IMO, that's all.
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Post by 40oz on May 19, 2020 16:01:54 GMT -5
I swear some of you fucks have stockholm syndrome.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 17:29:55 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, I'd totally ban you if you came back from a ban and started acting that way immediately, in fact I have banned people for less that were first offences on my own side of the Doom fence, you were unreasonably rude and just would not step down.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 21:15:50 GMT -5
I am not convinced that the ban is related to this incident, but of note, people were extremely polite towards your impolite act.
Even Nine Inch Heels wrote a fair comment without insulting you : Fuck, I agree with all that. I start to respect Nine Inch Heels. I used to think she was a rude, albeit smart, girl, but these days she passes as being smart, and not rude at all.
And suddenly, there seems to be no Orwellian scent about the "don't like the way he posts". The wrong reason written as a reason to ban could have been just because of haste - he wanted to ban you and hated to think too much of what to write there. Kinda of like you reboot computer and the policy demands you to specify a reason when it is turned on, why the fuck did you reboot it. It gives some stock suggestions or you can type it out, guess how much time you would be spending typing it out when you want to log in.
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Post by Doomguy 2000 on May 19, 2020 22:03:54 GMT -5
Are you guys sure he's banned? I checked his profile and it says he's a forum spammer.
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Post by 40oz on May 19, 2020 22:27:43 GMT -5
at least learn something from it. Here we go again. More of that condescending doomworld toxicity bleeding over to doomer boards. I cant control my behavior? You just have to accept my reaction as the natural order of the universe and fold to my response? Please dont bring that thinking here. There's a level of personal responsibility that is on the part of those affected when someone does something that bothers them. It's not cool to assume the role of "teacher" so you can "teach someone a lesson." Especially when the lesson is "this is public shaming, feel bad about it. You deserve it." Its very disrespectful and condescending, while submitting an unwelcome map to a project thats largely completed is a simple misunderstanding -- not malicious. Misunderstandings can be quickly resolved with polite conversation but theres no where the conversation can go when it becomes authority over subordinate.
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