GRUG
Doomer
30 year old boomer
Posts: 701
|
Post by GRUG on Jun 18, 2019 12:09:27 GMT -5
This forum has become just as comical as Doomworld. Obviously you didn't read the part where the guy explained that civilians will always vastly outnumber police/military. Do you not realize the average US citizen owns way more arms than the police/military combined? americanmilitarynews.com/2018/06/us-civilians-own-400-million-guns-compared-to-militarys-4-5-million-survey-shows/www.smallarmssurvey.org/de/weapons-and-markets/stockpiles.htmlWhen people say in a hypothetical scenario "How will your gun do much to deter a tyrannical gov?" (such as what Doomkid mentioned above), well take a look at history ... the American Revolutionary War consisted of organized militias of guerilla farmers, or the Vietnam War where the majority of combatants were rice farmers with outdated AK-47s. The US gov could not even suppress Vietnamese guerrilla farmers with SKS's & Kalashnikov ak-47's. hurr durr we need guns to fight the tyranny, I saw it on Red Dawn/ we need fucking machineguns to fight rioters, because they are clearly super-humans that will not fear non-automatic weapons At this point, you're not even making an argument.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 15:50:28 GMT -5
Jesus, the statistical likelihood of living in an area where rioting occurs and actually having your home burglarized as a result has got to be infinitesimal. I'm not saying it never happens, I'm just saying that it doesn't make sense as a reason to arm yourself from the standpoint of numbers. There are countless potential causes of death or injury that are, no exaggeration, millions of times more likely to happen to you that you are not currently protecting yourself from. This is why I think there's definitely truth to the "guns as a security blanket" argument. (Here's the fixed link demonstrating that guns are hardly ever used in self-defense in gun related crimes by the way, damn link broke on the last page for some reason: www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf ) As Justince and I have briefly discussed earlier I think pointing to past revolutions as an argument for modern-day armed militia is silly since the technology is so much more advanced now the the point where comparison is moot. I know the Americans managed to beat the English in the revolutionary war despite the odds - that was some Mongol-tier shit, but what strategy will we have to overcome their more advanced weaponry? They can have us killed, remotely, and never even put themselves in sight. They could kill us remotely from hidden, protected bunkers if it came right down to it and they'd have plenty of sycophants on their side. I love the David VS Goliath scenario as much as the next guy but this is more like Mouse VS Gorilla at this point. If you put 50 dudes armed with guns against a drone that fires a missile or even some sort of machine gun from hundreds of yards away, before anyone even detects it no less, the 50 dudes are going down unless Rambo happens to be in the mix. Anyway, I agree with your conclusion that we could pretty safely put this whole discussion behind us if certain drugs were just made legal, treated the same way as alcohol is, and that's that. The thing is, that would be easy, make sense and save lives - as a species we tend to be good at doing things the hard, nonsensical and deadly way.. Unfortunately. Honestly the two forums serve very different purposes at this point. Doomworld is pretty strictly Doom at this point, Doomerboards is more like a political forum that just happens to be populated by Doomers and sometimes WADs are made. If you're saying "It's as silly as Doomworld so we should pull out the censorship card" I'll have to give a hard pass on that idea, the whole point of this forum can be summed up as follows: "Send us your dumb, your outspoken, your foolish masses yearning to breathe free - Send these, the morons, the /pol/ browsers and tumblrettes alike to me, I lift my lite-amp goggles beside the golden door!" Let us not forget this important sonnet that gives this forum it's very reason for existence.
|
|
dn
Body Count: 02
the motherfucking darknation
Posts: 1,762
|
Post by dn on Jun 18, 2019 16:23:39 GMT -5
" If you put 50 dudes armed with guns against a drone that fires a missile or even some sort of machine gun from hundreds of yards away, before anyone even detects it no less, the 50 dudes are going down unless Rambo happens to be in the mix." Afghanistan! Fuck Yeah! Comin' again to wreck the mothafuckin' day, yeah 'Ganistan! Fuck Yeah! I take exception to the argument as stated above. A-Ks! Fuck yeah! Muslims! Fuck yeah! Opium! Fuck yeah! Akbar! Fuck yeah! Toilet roll! Fuck no! Drone strikes! Fuck no! Infantry! Fuck Yeah! Goats. instrumental
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 17:07:23 GMT -5
(one guy says "fuck yeah" quietly in the background)
|
|
GRUG
Doomer
30 year old boomer
Posts: 701
|
Post by GRUG on Jun 18, 2019 18:02:48 GMT -5
Afghanistan! Fuck Yeah! Comin' again to wreck the mothafuckin' day, yeah 'Ganistan! Fuck Yeah! I take exception to the argument as stated above. A-Ks! Fuck yeah! Muslims! Fuck yeah! Opium! Fuck yeah! Akbar! Fuck yeah! Toilet roll! Fuck no! Drone strikes! Fuck no! Infantry! Fuck Yeah! Goats. lol I love this. They can have us killed, remotely, and never even put themselves in sight. They could kill us remotely from hidden, protected bunkers if it came right down to it and they'd have plenty of sycophants on their side. If you put 50 dudes armed with guns against a drone that fires a missile or even some sort of machine gun from hundreds of yards away, before anyone even detects it no less, the 50 dudes are going down unless Rambo happens to be in the mix. You really assume drone strikes will be used within populated cities? Have fun having to rebuild trillions of dollars worth of infrastructure lmao. I read through the link you posted Doomkid. Interesting stats: From 1993 to 2010, males, blacks, and persons ages 18 to 24 had the highest rates of firearm homicide <-- This reinforces my discussion point of gang & drug related crimes (which largely affects the black community). In 2007-11, less than 1% of victims in all nonfatal violent crimes reported using a firearm to defend themselves during the incident <-- "Nonfatal" but is there for fatal incidents that were deemed as justifiable homicide in self defense? statistical likelihood of living in an area where rioting occurs and actually having your home burglarized as a result has got to be infinitesimal. I'm not saying it never happens, I'm just saying that it doesn't make sense as a reason to arm yourself from the standpoint of numbers. There are countless potential causes of death or injury that are, no exaggeration, millions of times more likely to happen to you that you are not currently protecting yourself from. We've had quite a number of large scale riots after the LA riots in '92. Unless you have shops in shithole cities like Baltimore, you're at risk for that type of crime. So yes, of course that doesn't happen on a daily basis, but does that seriously mean to never be prepared? Burglaries and home invasions do happen way more often than large scale riots like LA. But does that mean it definitely will happen to you? Of course not. But with that logic, that's like saying "well house fires do happen. However, the likelihood of it happening to me is slim, so therefor there is no need to have fire extinguishers in my house."
|
|
dn
Body Count: 02
the motherfucking darknation
Posts: 1,762
|
Post by dn on Jun 18, 2019 19:00:59 GMT -5
I think the main problem with the eternal 'murica guns debate is this: All the pro-gun arguments make sense *if* you accept that America is a fucking shithole country eternally oscillating around the fucking drain.
The argument is that shithole countries need guns to either (a) stop the populace from spazzing out and raping each other to death. or (b) stop the government from going Full Metal Mugabe. Ergo, according to NRA logic, America is a shithole.
instrumental
Fuck yeah.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 19:08:13 GMT -5
We are talking about a circumstance where the people are revolting against the government, right? That is guaranteed to result in some people dying and heavy weapons being used.. In that instance, the side that has had decades to develop tons and tons of weapons with a huge budget is probably going to win against the groups of people with rifles and cars, right? I just don't see it happening like that.
|
|