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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 21:53:40 GMT -5
I am curious to hear what you all think of this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 5:02:21 GMT -5
As a man who thinks little of the concept of marriage, I suspect she may have a point. However, the overly calm, condescending, intellectual tone of the video meant I wasn't particularly engaged with everything that was being said. She did that "left wing" thing of using lots of terms like "gynocentric" that mean very little outside of an American University politics mindset. To me, this whole video is trying to rationalise and explain a fairly emotional decision that'll have many individual reasons. I personally don't see the point in marriage because they fail more often than they actually make it to "'til death do us part." The fact that you get taken to the cleaners at a divorce as a man is probably a concern, but all that wasted money, time and ceremony on something that I never want to do in the first place is enough to put me off. A girlfriend in perpetuity would be worth more to me than a wife, because we never signed a contract or anything - we just did it anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 9:10:44 GMT -5
As a man who thinks little of the concept of marriage, I suspect she may have a point. However, the overly calm, condescending, intellectual tone of the video meant I wasn't particularly engaged with everything that was being said. She did that "left wing" thing of using lots of terms like "gynocentric" that mean very little outside of an American University politics mindset. To me, this whole video is trying to rationalise and explain a fairly emotional decision that'll have many individual reasons. I personally don't see the point in marriage because they fail more often than they actually make it to "'til death do us part." The fact that you get taken to the cleaners at a divorce as a man is probably a concern, but all that wasted money, time and ceremony on something that I never want to do in the first place is enough to put me off. A girlfriend in perpetuity would be worth more to me than a wife, because we never signed a contract or anything - we just did it anyway. Marriage meant more centuries ago when people were much more religious and feared being outcast or looked down upon by society for cohabitating while unmarried. Plus, in those days divorce law was way different, and the sexes need for each other was mutual. Nowadays no one cares whether you sleep around or have a girlfriend, and many men have seen their fathers, brothers, friends, etc. lose a great deal as a result of divorce, so they rationalize that they shouldn't buy the cow when they can get the milk for free. I really like that she brought up romcoms, sitcoms, and commercials that feature a sassy, hip, elegant, and intelligent wife with a doofus dork of a husband in tow. They really go all out portraying men as being feckless, blundering wastes in modern media. I gave up on watching TV decades ago and I don't go to see modern movies, but I still see glimpses at work where TVs are playing and occasionally with friends, and it's a far cry from media of the 1940's and 50's. Below are a few examples of commercials where what I'm talking about is on display.
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Post by dn on Oct 30, 2018 10:38:22 GMT -5
Go to a church you never go to. Make promises you can't keep. In front of your own family, who you don't like, and her family, who you like even less. In front of a minister who probably doesn't give a shit and a God who you don't actually believe in.
There's a lot of reasons why I don't want to get married. Swearing vows before a deity who has about as much factual backup as fucking Batman is one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 13:36:14 GMT -5
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Post by Justince on Oct 30, 2018 17:40:21 GMT -5
Already a failed marriage under my belt. Ended amicably but I still shouldn't have done it looking back. Lost my best friend and never really got over it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 21:34:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 2:22:57 GMT -5
I'm young and I've already been divorced, not something I want to go through again. I'm sorry to hear you've also been through it, Justince. Phobus and dn's replies pretty much sum up my thoughts on the matter as well.
I think this is only tangentially related but I do find the 'bumbling husband' trope in media to be pretty fascinating. It's much harder to find media that depicts the wife as the fat/stupid/ugly/etc one of the couple and the man as the physically attractive voice of reason, though it does certainly exist. I don't mind this kind of thing though - To me, having a problem with this would also fundamentally mean I'd need to have a problem with other so-called harmful stereotypes such as Apu in The Simpsons for example.
I encourage everyone to put whatever spin to whatever degree they see fit into their creation. They are free to do that and I am free to (and society should encourage) doubt, or at least question what is being displayed on the screen in front of me. I don't deny that stereotyping can have harmful results, I just think it shouldn't be disallowed in media or advertising as a result. Has it played into the reduced number of marriages? I honestly don't know but I can say for sure that there are many other factors at play that seem way more important to me in the decision making process, particularly on the financial front.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 12:36:18 GMT -5
I see marriage as beautiful and less of religious significance but more of romantic gesture between two people who are so deeply in love that they want to literally share their lives together.
Knowing me though that's just me being naive and overly optimistic about shit I don't understand.
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Post by hardcoregamer on Dec 16, 2018 0:10:19 GMT -5
The reason men don't marry anymore is because a growing number of them are realizing what women are actually like when there are no social norms of traditions to counter-act against humanity's more primitive urges. To be honest I think the whole of western civilization is going to collapse within the next few decades, if even that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 6:00:33 GMT -5
What do you mean by this? Some women are kind, generous, good hearted, other women are manipulative, mean or downright evil. Your statement implies that all or even most women are somehow fundamentally nasty, which doesn't make any sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 9:49:04 GMT -5
What people tend to forget is that the opposite sex are people too, people can think and act on their own with their own motives, people have different personalities and goals which very well may conflict with yours, some might be genuinely good people and some may be evil, I know both men and women cut from both cloths.
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Dec 16, 2018 15:31:51 GMT -5
people can think and act on their own with their own motives, people have different personalities and goals which very well may conflict with yours Kinda going on a tangent here but I wanna express this Taking your thought in a bit of a wider way, this stuff gets me to think really hard every damn time. I mean, we all get the basic concept of the claim amirite? Even me hahahah. But I think very few people fully understand it. Like, people may have not experienced what you have, and vice versa. They might have a completely different reaction to something. Their views are actually different from ours. They might have different purposes of life, different thought flows. Sounds like the most basic shit every one of us realises at age 3 but it blows my mind every time I seriously think about it. Maybe irrelevant example/story from my awesome student life: So I kinda eat a lot in our students' cafeteria thing, usually eat after other people since I love eating for some reason. One of my friends, who is kinda eccentric so to say, decides to pour, like, half of that small thing where you keep salt into his soup, and give the soup to me, saying that it was too much for him. Soon enough another dude gives me a soup as well, but with a bunch of pepper. I ate the super salty soup without suspecting a thing (as I also like my food saltier than most), but didn't eat the pepper one since even my gullible ass figured out that it was a prank. Later I find out that it was indeed a prank, I pretend to be mad and jokingly threaten to pour laxatives into their food the next time. So basically I laugh the whole thing off. Then I tell about the whole thing to my third friend. (He's kinda tough-ish so to say, having a rougher past than most people my age, also was exposed to the street life for a while and shit.) He tells me like "dude that was actually real disrespectful of them. If you want I can ****talk**** to them about it." (since I'm kind of a beta lol, which you probably know by the fact that I post on doomer boards) "Tbh if they did that shit to me, I'd legit beat them up"
At that moment I figured out that things that seem benign to me can be taken seriously by others. People perceive other people and their actions differently. We all are actually different people. It's strange.
In relation to the topic of the thread: I don't really care since I'm 17 lmao and additionally haven't even held hands yet 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) all girls are thots anyway right guys? 8-) 8-) 8-) At the moment I don't really see anything wrong with getting married eventually, when (if 8-) 8-) 8-)) the time comes. In fact I'd probably prefer it. I think I'd feel like a failure if I reached 40-50 unmarried.
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Post by dn on Dec 16, 2018 21:20:00 GMT -5
Starting to smell of incel in here.
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Post by GRUG on Dec 18, 2018 1:16:47 GMT -5
I need to drop some wisdom pills in this thread.
Fellas, let me just start off by saying this: The overwhelming majority of Western countries live in a matriarchal/feminized society where marriage is seen as beneficial for a woman more than a man. There is little to nothing that benefits men. Even in traditional gender-role marriages, most women will seek a man that will offer them a higher quality of life. This is called hypergamy. Most relationships or marriages tend to fail because women lose interest in the man they are with. In Layman's terms, she's bored and finds you no longer suiting her needs of "excitement" in life. Even if you are a good provider (like you make money, you're a decent/honest guy), she's not going to care because the modern women prioritizes fun and excitement instead of sacrificing for a family. I've known so many guys who got dumped or divorced (by the way, women initiate over 80% of divorces) and it was mostly because the women said she's "just not happy and having fun anymore." Most men get SCREWED in divorce court, especially when they have a kid or kid(s) involved. There is nothing patriarchal left in modern Western countries. Men have become soft, submissive, and very beta. Matter of fact, this is the huge problem. Women have controlled men since childhood (in schools, homes, media, etc..) by surprising traditional masculinity to create a "nu-male" model, which is basically what you see in those pathetic commercials posted by vordakk.
Guys, please drop the egalitarianism. The nature of men and women is NOT the same. We behave, think, and act differently. It's how we are designed. Don't place a women on the same mindset standard that you/men in abide by.
In my opinion, marriage is a path for men and women who want to have children. You want to find a wife to help birth/raise children, and assist in the household. For those guys who desire to pass along their bloodline and good family name, be VERY careful who you marry. Most Western women are not like the ones from 3 or 4 generations ago. Cover your assets by getting a prenuptial agreement, find women are are low maintenance, and for God Almighty's sake avoid dating/marrying single mothers.
If you don't want kids, don't marry. There is no point. As I've gotten older, I've learned that most "non-needy men" can pretty easily live without women. They can cook simple meals, make my own money, live on their own, and bang whatever generic THOT they want (I'm not advocating premarital sex here, but I'm just stating the obvious of modern 21st century shenanigans). Being "beta" does not necessarily mean that one is physically weak. As per the 6th definition of beta male from Urban Dictionary (I know I'm quoting Urban Dictionary lol), "A beta male is a male who buys into the feminist lie that men should be subservient to women. He believes that being submissive to a woman, caring, and gentle, will result in her returning his affection. He believes that he must buy women things in order to garner their attention. He does not understand that women desire confidence and willpower in a man."
Women USE betas for their bucks, but WANT Alpha's for their fucks. Examples: 1) Being friend zoned and giving her emotional support or money is beta. 2) If a woman is dominant over you and pussy whips you into submission, that's beta. Almost guaranteed that she will either cheat on you eventually with a Chad Thundercock, or get a divorce because she finds you boring after a while. I've seen this happen a couple of times to people. It's cringe.
You have to understand, the mentality and norms of women in the West have drastically changed. Most no longer value traditionalism, maternity, or picking the right guy who can provide for them. Like I've mentioned in the giant paragraph above, they prioritize fun and excitement instead of sacrificing for a family.
Videos from Richard Cooper (God bless this man, I wish there were more like him) explaining marriage and hypergamy.
Here's an animated video that sums up modern marriage.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 4:23:04 GMT -5
Starting to smell of incel in here. Like Miano: that’s one long arse testimonial to your virginity and lack of thundercock.
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Post by GRUG on Dec 18, 2018 9:15:25 GMT -5
Ad hominem.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 11:42:06 GMT -5
You can dismiss me all you want, but my 11 years of happy marriage says that wall of text you wrote is totally full of shit, and fuck me it’s full of incel buzzwords and terminology. You and your curly wog mullet need a cold long look in the mirror, I don’t blame any woman for not wanting to touch you with a ten foot barge pole you freak! Also thanks for taking yourself out of the gene pool, you’re doing the lord’s work!
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Post by GRUG on Dec 18, 2018 12:36:30 GMT -5
You don't have to agree, but your blasting insults as if this was DW.
"Curly wog mullet"
- I don't have a mullet.
"you freak!" You don't even know what I look like.
"Also thanks for taking yourself out of the gene pool, you’re doing the lord’s work!" I plan on having kids of my own. So no, I'm not taking myself out of the gene pool.
"You can dismiss me all you want, but my 11 years of happy marriage says that wall of text you wrote is totally full of shit"
Congrats on your 11 years and may many more years of happiness come to you.
I'm in a relationship with a women for over 6 months now. I'm not an incel, and nor was I ever. Matter of fact, I have a lot of self confidence in myself and a great future ahead of me. I'm advising guys to be careful on who they date/marry. Not every marriage is as fruitful as yours. Like I've said before, you don't have to agree, but for God's sake cool it with the insults.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 12:52:56 GMT -5
Well excuse me, but I have indeed seen a photo of you with a Billy Ray Cyrus style greased back mullet like it was 1989. You were wearing a big ol’ wooly jumper in said pic like the kind your Nono would knit for you. Congrats on your relationship but you could drop the shitty incel language. There’s no feminist conspiracy to deprive men of marriage or their right to be manly, the so called men do a good enough job on their own.
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Post by GRUG on Dec 18, 2018 14:40:45 GMT -5
Lol I have short hair, it's not curly, buzzed on the sides, and I comb the top like this, except my hair is dark brown. I don't have a mullet. I probably had a sweatshirt on with jogging pants in whatever that said picture was.
"Congrats on your relationship but you could drop the shitty incel language." Thanks. You could also drop the belligerent language and name calling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 17:03:33 GMT -5
...but my 11 years of happy marriage says that wall of text you wrote is totally full of shit, and fuck me it’s full of incel buzzwords and terminology... yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 19:51:27 GMT -5
Bit off topic but the whole "nice guys finish last" mentality thing pisses me off, there is so many things wrong with it and here is some pointers for you from a person that once thought that dumb shit:
1- If you fall into this mentality then you're probably not that nice, to be fair.
2- Being nice isn't a fucking selling point, it is a basic trait of anyone worth a damn and should be fucking default.
3- People are not obliged to like or love you for being nice, again basic trait.
4- You're nice, you're probably not interesting though, ya fuckin nerd.
5- Nothing wrong with being just friends, get over yourself and move along bucko.
Basic observations like this stopped me from capping myself over women and made me strive to better myself and the world around me (instead I'm now looking to cap myself because the world is a bleak hopeless mess and you can't help everyone, small victories eh?).
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Post by thundercunt on Dec 19, 2018 16:54:48 GMT -5
I love tits
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 0:29:25 GMT -5
This is a quality post and the only one in this thread that makes complete sense.
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