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Post by mistercornbread on Apr 21, 2018 8:12:57 GMT -5
I'm on DW quite a bit, having been active since 2002, and while I consider it a second home, there is this persistent feeling of being an iconoclastic loony that's too accidentally entertaining to ban. Trans people can speak freely about their sexuality, but because mine is more unusual, I caught a lot of shit for being open about it, and eventually had to stop making reference to it. Users can post image macros outside of "random image" threads, but I was instantly given a shitposting warning the first time I did it, then completely ignored when I spoke up about it. Philosophical discussion is fine, but because I posted about how UBI might affect Doom modding in "Doom General" as opposed to "Everything Else," I was given a troll warning, and was told I should have known better when I spoke up about it. My discussions on psychedelic use were discouraged to the point that a user messaged me about my mental health, believing I was going crazy, and my attempts to discuss future technology are met with trolling, even now.
By no means do I feel rejected, or ostracized, or anything like that, since I post almost daily and have a really good rapport with everyone. But there is that sense of being singled out—which I thankfully do not experience here—and I wonder why a community I've invested so much time in, and have tried so hard to show the utmost respect to, would take on this "bottom of the pecking order" attitude with anyone who's a little strange.
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Post by Aisleen on Apr 21, 2018 8:44:47 GMT -5
I'm on DW quite a bit, having been active since 2002, and while I consider it a second home, there is this persistent feeling of being an iconoclastic loony that's too accidentally entertaining to ban. Trans people can speak freely about their sexuality, but because mine is more unusual, I caught a lot of shit for being open about it, and eventually had to stop making reference to it. Users can post image macros outside of "random image" threads, but I was instantly given a shitposting warning the first time I did it, then completely ignored when I spoke up about it. Philosophical discussion is fine, but because I posted about how UBI might affect Doom modding in "Doom General" as opposed to "Everything Else," I was given a troll warning, and was told I should have known better when I spoke up about it. My discussions on psychedelic use were discouraged to the point that a user messaged me about my mental health, believing I was going crazy, and my attempts to discuss future technology are met with trolling, even now. By no means do I feel rejected, or ostracized, or anything like that, since I post almost daily and have a really good rapport with everyone. But there is that sense of being singled out—which I thankfully do not experience here—and I wonder why a community I've invested so much time in, and have tried so hard to show the utmost respect to, would take on this "bottom of the pecking order" attitude with anyone who's a little strange. Aw, its sad that you get that feeling, to the point of only venting it here. I honestly dont feel it when i see you, but then i dont really know deeply about your history in dw, or how your post are like in those days. Do you mind linking some of them? If this is about your recent topic, its probably because that requires a lot of thinking, what understandably not a whole lot can engage in, and i think they are just having fun, unknowingly making you upset. My 2 cents, feel free to not take seriously. ? |
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Post by mistercornbread on Apr 21, 2018 8:51:39 GMT -5
notcatpho, I'm on the fence about linking to DW threads, because now I feel like I'm needlessly bitching, but I also don't want to leave anyone in the dark. I'll try to do it in as brief a manner as possible, because there is no intent of putting anyone on blast. I don't have beef with anyone and don't want to make it seem as though that were the case.
As far as the trans comment...so, I'll just put it out there, if one were to pigeonhole me on the sexual spectrum, it would be somewhere between asexual and fat fetishist. It was a little too weird for folks when I referenced to it on DW, particularly the asexual aspect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 9:31:11 GMT -5
This kind of reminds me of that time when AndrewB announced his vasectomy and everyone laughed, bashed him, etc. Unfortunately, I discovered that blog much later so I never really got to ask these people what was so wrong about his decision. It was a little frustrating to read and not be able to participate, though he defended himself well enough I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 10:03:46 GMT -5
Why would you announce such thing on a Doom forum though? Keep this shit to yourself, it's weird and you should know about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 10:09:18 GMT -5
Is there something bad about wanting to share personal events and thoughts with other people? Do we want everyone slightly unusual to keep their stuff to themselves? Isn't that kind of cruel? And won't that result in a very boring forum?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 10:13:47 GMT -5
If you want to share something like this, be ready to be ridiculed. That shit is not normal.
If you only want to hear positive things about yourself then go to Facebook or some shit.
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Post by agent6 on Apr 21, 2018 10:18:17 GMT -5
Honestly certain subjects are better avoided on certain kinds of forums or communities. This is by no means to say that everything that happened to you was fair or unfair, I've been there since only December 2017 after all so I can't say anything on this matter, but from my own experience, not all kind of discussions are welcomed, especially those that are very easy to misinterpret or too complicated for the average person, like the usage of psychedelics since this is actually a good example.
Regarding the philosophical discussions, this one reminds me of that "the real religion" or something-like-that thread. I'm glad the members of DW are generally open-minded and more than anything, mature, and yet I was a surprised to see that topic didn't turn into a radioactive war. I was very tempted to post about mine there at some point but ultimately decided not to, since that reveal was most likely going to have consequences of some sort. I wouldn't have been surprised if my inbox was going to get spammed or become ignored altogether from that point onward, combined with a very healthy dose of hatred.
I very much share the sentiment of getting "accidentally" banned as well. In fact, I sometimes have the feeling I'm being closely monitored, waiting for the moment I make a mistake and bang. No one's probably going to miss me anyway since I didn't even contribute much to the community or Doom itself, being little more than a "random internet guy". Most of the time I seem to get ignored as well, so... (which, in all honesty, isn't very different from Doomer Boards, I get the same impression here).
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Post by Li'l devil on Apr 21, 2018 11:08:40 GMT -5
@ mistercornbread
Well, I think a lot of people just treat you as if you're constantly being high and don't treat anything you post seriously.
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Post by mistercornbread on Apr 21, 2018 12:17:38 GMT -5
@ mistercornbread Well, I think a lot of people just treat you as if you're constantly being high and don't treat anything you post seriously. Bingo! Hah, I think there's a lot of truth to that. And yes, I'm typically stoned—I smoke daily, multiples times, generally speaking. I think to some people that translates to someone who is unable to have cohesive thoughts, so even if they do, the idea is, well, he was probably stoned while typing that, so I'll just disregard it. @ AnonimVio, I agree that one is hrowing rocks at a hornet's nest with some topics. I was a bit more unfiltered back then, so I had numerous moments of speaking personally in a way that was probably a bit too much for a lot of folks. That's why these days, on DW, I tend to keep my mouth shut if I think I'll be ridiculed. And I accept the ridicule, because I think it's an important part of being alive, which is dealing with criticism. I just didn't like the fact that I'm kind of treated like a village idiot. @ notcatpho, I decided not to post any links, there's not really any reason to do that, because it'll feel too much like pointing fingers and expressing resentment. I know it would provide more context, but in the end it's not all that important that someone didn't like what I typed. I'm just a bit disappointed that after being in the background for a long time, I began to participate more openly in discussions, and ended up with the "kid who eats worms" status, socially speaking. As long as DW doesn't ban me, it's all gravy! |
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Post by Aisleen on Apr 21, 2018 22:53:22 GMT -5
Mkay, whatever floats your boat  |
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Post by deathevokation on Apr 23, 2018 9:40:15 GMT -5
Most of the time I seem to get ignored as well, so... (which, in all honesty, isn't very different from Doomer Boards, I get the same impression here). I don't ignore your posts... I enjoy reading them, I'm just better at lurking than replying.. replying takes effort. ;P |
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Post by agent6 on Apr 23, 2018 10:55:53 GMT -5
Most of the time I seem to get ignored as well, so... (which, in all honesty, isn't very different from Doomer Boards, I get the same impression here). I don't ignore your posts... I enjoy reading them, I'm just better at lurking than replying.. replying takes effort. ;P I know  . It's just that on many occasions I reply to posts and really feel that I should get a reply back, especially when their purpose is to more or less start or continue a discussion. I think people are something like: "Oh, someone replied to my comment/posted something in this topic, I wonder who was it. >Agent6 Lol no, I'm not even going to bother with that guy at all. I'll pass."  |
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Post by xeepeep on Apr 23, 2018 11:25:04 GMT -5
mistercornbread I'm not even gonna hide this: you're one of the more entertaining characters I've come across in my relatively short history of dealing with the internet. Your funky-ass pics of yourself you post on DW sometimes contribute to that. Also your weird-ass sexuality... I have the Involuntary Celibacy thread saved somewhere on my HD. Not to mention your drugs and hallucinogen-related posts. Uh, basically you're weird af in the absolutely best way possible. Never change, yo. Though I'd say that DW is changing. Been there for 2 years now, and even I notice the change. It's becoming more of a generic, boring, "supportive" gaming forum... not a peculiar corner of the internet with its own culture that it once was. And... uh... folks who deviate from the norm too far and aren't ashamed of showing it are kinda unwelcome there now, I guess. Times have changed. I'm not sure why has DW changed so suddenly. Possibly because it has become a very major center of the Doom community, especially now that the latest sequel is out. So DW is starting to interact more and more with mainstream gaming media. More and more ordinary gamer folks show up on DW. Like, the Steam generation. :] And the site's leaders have to appeal to them. I'm guessing that this is the reason for the sudden changes in moderation that have occurred over there. FFS, I remember when I registered, it was the most fun site in the world! Now I log on merely to check up on a few EE threads that occassionally get mildly entertaining. Or maybe I've just got too old for all that, IDK. tldr: Ling and the gang don't need the "character" and uniqueness of the old DW anymore, in fact it is having a detrimental effect on their success or whatever. I might be full of shit, however. (doubt it tho, I've just had a good dump.) :] ALSO HOLY JESUS CHRIST THIS POST IS BIG
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Post by agent6 on Apr 23, 2018 11:54:02 GMT -5
ALSO HOLY JESUS CHRIST THIS POST IS BIG But it's a good read. I don't know how DW was back in the old days, but I guess popularity does come at some sort of price, just like art, for that matter, so certain things need to get toned down while other are more or less removed altogether to be more appealing for the crowd. |
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Post by 40oz on Apr 23, 2018 12:11:11 GMT -5
I know . It's just that on many occasions I reply to posts and really feel that I should get a reply back, especially when their purpose is to more or less start or continue a discussion. I think people are something like: "Oh, someone replied to my comment/posted something in this topic, I wonder who was it. >Agent6 Lol no, I'm not even going to bother with that guy at all. I'll pass." Ouch, I didn't know it seemed that way. I'm glad you mentioned it. I can assure you I've never thought that before. In case you want some feedback, and this is a personal thing with me which might not be the same with other people here, but I have a tendency to give people more of my attention the more things they do for the Doom community. It means a lot to me that you come here often and make posts when you do, but I like people especially when they do something for Doom. Whether it's creating maps, making music, making art, playing and reviewing people's maps, and showing enthusiasm about Doom related stuff. As far as I know, I haven't seen a lot of that from you and for that reason I don't feel completely connected to you like I do some of the other people here. Even if you're not too crazy about Doom, I'd enjoy it a lot if you posted more often, made some new threads, and told some funny or interesting stories. Make this place your new home! |
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Post by mistercornbread on Apr 23, 2018 13:02:16 GMT -5
I'm hoping that maybe we can cultivate a bit more eclecticism here. I still post on DW all the time but yeah, I've noticed that there is a bit of a dismissive attitude for any topics that get too "odd." I like to think of this as a "second home" for my Doom discussion needs, somewhere I can get a bit more "out there" without being thrown aside.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 13:16:34 GMT -5
When I open up Doomworld I pretty much just open it to see people's Doom pictures, occasionally see a review for a cool map that I might download myself, an interesting most recently posted thread, or maybe fate will decide I check out every sub forum for something interesting. Also yeah it might be a little toxic but I chock it up to it just being a larger community with more users. I have around 430 posts on Doomworld and I've been a member since 2013. I've been here since like 6 months ago and have about a third of that here already. Part of that is definitely because I am more free to say whatever I want here. Most of my posts on Doomworld were made around 2014 and 2015 anyway before things got stale/cluttered with stuff I don't care about.
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Post by agent6 on Apr 23, 2018 14:04:42 GMT -5
I know . It's just that on many occasions I reply to posts and really feel that I should get a reply back, especially when their purpose is to more or less start or continue a discussion. I think people are something like: "Oh, someone replied to my comment/posted something in this topic, I wonder who was it. >Agent6 Lol no, I'm not even going to bother with that guy at all. I'll pass." Ouch, I didn't know it seemed that way. I'm glad you mentioned it. I can assure you I've never thought that before. In case you want some feedback, and this is a personal thing with me which might not be the same with other people here, but I have a tendency to give people more of my attention the more things they do for the Doom community. It means a lot to me that you come here often and make posts when you do, but I like people especially when they do something for Doom. Whether it's creating maps, making music, making art, playing and reviewing people's maps, and showing enthusiasm about Doom related stuff. As far as I know, I haven't seen a lot of that from you and for that reason I don't feel completely connected to you like I do some of the other people here. Even if you're not too crazy about Doom, I'd enjoy it a lot if you posted more often, made some new threads, and told some funny or interesting stories. Make this place your new home! I know, but since I'm yet to learn proper Doom modding I can't contribute with something more substantial to it, so for now my contributions are rather limited. In fact, the most significant contributions I made on DW would be my reviews for the megawads I've made so far. I'll see how all this changes down the road, if and when I'll have the time to learn mapping and whatnot. Or maybe contribute in other ways, but I'm not very imaginative . Good to see my presence here is welcomed though and not an annoyance. Maybe I'm just imagining things, wouldn't be the first time, but I'm probably too used to always expecting the worst. |
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Post by BattleKorbi on Apr 23, 2018 14:18:02 GMT -5
I myself kinda feel like I fucked up somehow along the way and I cannot get back into Dooming and present something that people would actually like. Kinda feel like I am stuck in one of those Sierra games where, if you haven't picked up an object or clue along the way, you would get fucked and you would have to start the game all over again. This is how I feel about the Doom community (DW and Doomer Boards, that is), and I cannot find the "load game" or "new game" button for that question. So now I have to try and chill and count the clouds whilst yall guys continue Dooming. It ain't easy, but it ain't that tough either. Bottom line, you good person, agent6. If you think people are ignoring you just because you are you, then they are probably jealous. No person can have actual friends and be considered a shitposter  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 15:03:34 GMT -5
That reminds me of when I would look at people without my glasses some half dozen years or so ago and think that they're all looking at me. Maybe they were maybe they weren't. I was still trying to figure out if glasses made me look better or worse but now I don't really care because I'm fantastic either way.
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Post by mistercornbread on Apr 23, 2018 17:19:54 GMT -5
In either case, I don't think this has been a surprising outcome. Any given community is going to have a negative reaction to people who look or behave in a way that is outside of an imaginary "acceptable" bubble. Most people aren't into psychedelics, fat women or outlandish technological speculation, so I definitely had it coming. I've learned more and more that no matter where I go, I have an iconoclastic presence and have to "reel it in" to avoid confusing or upsetting people.
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Post by GRUG on Apr 23, 2018 20:16:37 GMT -5
Users can post image macros outside of "random image" threads, but I was instantly given a shitposting warning the first time I did it, then completely ignored when I spoke up about it. Philosophical discussion is fine, but because I posted about how UBI might affect Doom modding in "Doom General" as opposed to "Everything Else," I was given a troll warning, and was told I should have known better when I spoke up about it. How does this constitute as trolling? Usually trolling requires inflammatory content intended to piss people off. Could you send me a link to this thread (that is if the thread didn't get deleted)? |
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Post by mistercornbread on Apr 23, 2018 20:46:22 GMT -5
Again, I'm not sure how productive it would be, I can link it if you really want, but I'm feeling sheepish about complaining in the first place.
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Post by 40oz on Apr 24, 2018 9:41:54 GMT -5
In either case, I don't think this has been a surprising outcome. Any given community is going to have a negative reaction to people who look or behave in a way that is outside of an imaginary "acceptable" bubble. Most people aren't into psychedelics, fat women or outlandish technological speculation, so I definitely had it coming. I've learned more and more that no matter where I go, I have an iconoclastic presence and have to "reel it in" to avoid confusing or upsetting people. FUCK THAT SHIT, MAN Look, you've been conditioned to think you're a weirdo outcast that needs to keep to himself, and I hate it. You're a doom fan, that's what matters! Like Xeep-Eep, I love every unusual thing about you. I love every unusual thing about everyone here. Too many people are checking themselves to not say the wrong awkward thing that rubs people the wrong way. CUT THAT SHIT OUT. I've been clinging to IRC for the longest time but a lot of the channels I participate in are dying out. It seems like IRC is losing to discord, so for the past month or so I've been poking around on Discord. What do I find? Most of the Doom channels I find which contain over 400 people get like 10-15 messages a day. Usually a dialogue between two people. What the fuck? What are all these people doing here if they're not talking to each other? The collision Doomer Boards is having with Doomworld is that Doomworld wants people to show up and shut up. Unless you have something really interesting and favorable to say, measured in likes, then you need to fuck off and lurk until you figure out how things work in this corner of the internet. People don't like you when you tell them their map sucks and they should be doing better, or that you live in a neighborhood where trans people have awareness marches down your street every weekend and its actually fucking annoying, or that slaughterfests actually aren't very fucking fun no matter what all the doomworld elites say. So if you have anything to say that fits into the general categories those last three things do, then doomworld doesn't want you there. On Doomer Boards, I want to know your story! Tell me why you're different, and why everything else sucks. Tell what you think people really should be caring about, as long as its not what you were told to care about. I like exceptional people! It doesn't matter to me that you're told to keep to yourself elsewhere. Every person is interesting to me in some way. All that matters to me is that you give some of a shit about Doom. I'm serious about that. If you're a complete blithering retard who has nothing but annoying drivel to talk about, --AND-- you also make some maps once in a while, I'd probably think you're a pretty cool dude. Even if you make some pretty retarded posts you're probably going to regret later, there's enough logically thinking, sensible, and stupidity-intolerant people here to set you straight anyway. But under no circumstances does your personality, your character flaws, or your social status determine whether or not you are "allowed" to be a part of the Doom community. That shit is fucking insane and that's why something needed to be done about it. |
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