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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 17:22:52 GMT -5
In todays political climate, everyone has a viewpoint they want to express.
The most outspoken of these people generally make more noise however and typically own Youtube channels to bark their bullshit to a hungry audience. These "Political Youtubers" are gaining heavy traction thanks to the hell that is Earth right now, I'm interested in which of these preachers you're the flock to.
2 of my personal choices are:
- Sargon of Akkad because I am a Garbage Humantm and because he's a fellow limey I feel as though he knows better about the horror show that is the UK than most others.
- Hunter Avallone because I agree with many of his views on the current state of affairs in America and I like his dimwitted humour.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 17:47:01 GMT -5
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Post by dn on Oct 15, 2017 17:55:56 GMT -5
Sargon's on point when it comes to low level gender politics. When it comes to the *actual* politics, less so. Dude ties himself in knots over the fuckin' labour party as if they were actual socialists. It's like he actually believes the shit that Corbyn says, rather than taking it for what it is; - bullshit said to get retards to vote for him before fucking said retards over the second he gets into power. Sargon is also woefully ignorant regarding Scottish politics. Which is fine, he's an English pundit, but if you don't know what's going on up here then I respectfully ask self-styled gurus to either do their fucking research or STFU. Anyway, my go-to guy is the Rev. Stuart Campbell, who old hands might remember as working for Sensible Software back in the days when they managed to troll the entire British Legion into apoplexy with Cannon Fodder. He's less commentary, more fact-checking, with a pro-independence bias. And no, it's not youtube. It's words. Old fashioned, I know, but words are good because you can fact check and source that typed shit very easily. It leaves less room for weaseling; youtube video commentary is too often a vapid fart of opinions into the wind.
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Post by joe-ilya on Oct 15, 2017 19:09:39 GMT -5
I don't go to Youtube to discuss politics, I go to Youtube for anything but politics.
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Post by 40oz on Oct 15, 2017 21:52:58 GMT -5
I've only seen one of Sargon's videos and he was bashing the shit out of Hilary Clinton and talking about the baltimore riots I think and saying things like "This is why I hate the left" which sounded really closed-mindedly alt right to me (which is saying something since I've been informed that my actions fall under the category of nazi sympathy) I haven't been able to take him very seriously about that. I have a lot of respect for people who are willing to lean right or left depending on the immediacy of the issues, and too often I see people so in favor of one side of an issue that they can't possibly see the justification of their stereotypical rivals perspective. Is my analysis close or should I give him another chance?
I've mostly been listening to Joe Rogan and Sam Harris because I trust them to speak honestly and objectively in a manner I can understand before sugarcoating their interpretation with their personal judgments before discussing their feelings on it, which gives me an opportunity to think about it myself before they start telling me what I should be thinking.
I've been looking for really pragmatic left leaning people on youtube that have very honest and articulate reasons for explaining the flaws in the right's logic. I'm sure they're out there but every attempt I've made for looking them were always met with people that were embarrassingly detached from reality. I used to always think more conservative people were some of the most reactive rotten brainwashed minds of any political party around the time George Bush was president, and everyone hated him too. But I still think the Trump administration is retarded in a lot of ways but can hardly find someone who hates him for well-informed reasons segregated from gut feeling and emotion.
I never imagined it could get this bad. I hope youtube isn't flitering out credible left leaning speakers to me on purpose. I mean, it must be, if so many people are buying into how ridiculous everything has spun out of control in recent years, right?
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Post by nambona890 on Oct 16, 2017 3:41:57 GMT -5
I try to stay away from politics now, as it often tends to piss me off, seeing all the retarded stuff the far left was doing.
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Post by deathevokation on Oct 17, 2017 2:37:35 GMT -5
40oz; all the policies Sargon would apply would make him classical liberal, I don't think you know what alt right means since you're putting Sargon in the same boat with a movement that sieg heiled at their first conference and their members doubled down on it later... he's no friend of the alt right (and got his Twitter suspended for sending interracial gay porn to trigger them ), he's against collectivism wheras both the alt right and the regressive left are collectivists in their own way.. not liking a "movement" doesn't mean you're closeminded (he's got tons of other critiques of them), would he be any less open minded if he said he hated the alt right? If someone doesn't like the far left it doesn't mean they're on the opposite end of the spectrum since liberals and the far left use different means to reach different ends.
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Post by 40oz on Oct 17, 2017 6:26:10 GMT -5
That makes sense. I think the one video I saw just rubbed me the wrong way. I'll give him a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 7:30:08 GMT -5
Been a TJ Kirk fan since forever, but there's quite a few I enjoy. I'll tune in to everything from Bearing to Sargon to Ben Shaprio to Stephen Colbert to John Oliver, though of course some of them aren't youtubers but their shit is now on youtube because it's a corporate video site now rather than a place for individuals with a camera. I know they all have conflicting ideas, to an extreme at times, but generally speaking I agree with some of what each of them says, but almost never all it. I fall reasonably well in line with TJ Kirk though when it comes to politics.
Also as a side note, I loved Daily Show in the early 2000's. It's pretty hollow these days. Colbert's new show is also not nearly as funny, I loved him pretending to be an extremist right winger, it was just flat out funny. I still agree with a reasonable chunk of what he says but I almost never laugh, the delivery is just dry by comparison.
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Post by deathevokation on Oct 17, 2017 7:40:52 GMT -5
Well the argument Sargon is a part of has become a big clusterfuck tbh and has been rewritten so many times I wouldn't know where to point you to, I'm not sure if there's much to gain by learning about it anyway, I'm just glad he's there so that I don't have to be. I'd recommend Doctor Layman and Jordan Peterson, though, both are interesting characters.. also I'd recommend Tim Pool if you're interested in someone on the "left" who prides himself on objectivity.. the more "sane" people on the left are harder to find because they aren't hyperbolic and don't say retarded shit that goes viral, haha. Edit: this was in response to 40oz, I'm not used to activity in these forums haha.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 12:28:57 GMT -5
I never imagined it could get this bad. I hope youtube isn't flitering out credible left leaning speakers to me on purpose. I mean, it must be, if so many people are buying into how ridiculous everything has spun out of control in recent years, right? I don't think YouTube is filtering out anyone. They sometimes target channels and remove their right to monetize videos, however. It seems skewed towards targeting Conservative channels, suspiciously. Even ones like Ron Paul and Jordan Peterson who are well spoken and don't promote hate speech have been affected. That being said, they aren't actually filtered off YouTube. You can still find all of their videos. I imagine the same would apply to anyone on the left who has felt the brunt of losing their right to monetize. Still, it's like a sneaky backdoor way of discouraging content creators to produce videos. It's also annoying to see YouTube favor nightly talk show hosts over grassroots content creators: I've been looking for really pragmatic left leaning people on youtube that have very honest and articulate reasons for explaining the flaws in the right's logic. I'm sure they're out there but every attempt I've made for looking them were always met with people that were embarrassingly detached from reality. I used to always think more conservative people were some of the most reactive rotten brainwashed minds of any political party around the time George Bush was president, and everyone hated him too. But I still think the Trump administration is retarded in a lot of ways but can hardly find someone who hates him for well-informed reasons segregated from gut feeling and emotion. Well, they're not a speaker. But if you're cool with giant essays, I would highly suggest reading this article from Alex Sheremet. His writing and overall world view seems very similar to your own. He's opposed to political correctness/censorship but also has a very liberal view of the world through economics, health care, etc. I suspect DoomKid and others here might enjoy this as well, if you haven't seen it already. I like Ben Shapiro, and I think he makes many good points, but I don't agree with everything he says. And this article does a great job of cracking open some weak spots in his armor. Absolutely worth a full read, along with the open comment section. alexsheremet.com/ben-shapiro-total-fraud/But hey, I still like Shapiro. I find common ground with a lot of what he says too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 4:43:28 GMT -5
Oh yeah RUSH, I've thought of holes in quite a few of Ben Shapiro's arguments just as I was listening to him
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Post by deathevokation on Oct 19, 2017 5:27:08 GMT -5
I don't agree with Ben on a lot of stuff, but he's still interesting to listen to even when I'm disagreeing with what he's saying.. if I only watched content from people I 100% agreed with I'd watch nobody. I dunno, I only ever stop listening to people when they get exposed as a fraud (Alex Jones), advocate for violence, intentionally misinterpret the person they're trying to take down (creationist cat), or they engage in real life activities to hurt other people they disagree with.. if they get really annoying but leave their comment sections open I hate watch them. hahaha
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Post by deathevokation on Oct 19, 2017 5:51:37 GMT -5
Dr Layman, his videos were hard to watch at first.. I'm ashamed to say his accent and vocabulary was a barrier for me, but he makes some great well thought out content and once you get used to his presentation style, his content is rewarding to watch.
A guy from center whom I trust, this is guest video of his on Sargon's channel... Tim Pool:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 18:28:59 GMT -5
Nice, this thread reminds me of the 'Sanity Pit' Kontra Kommando had started on the old Doomworld. Where people would share educational stories, links, videos, experiences, etc. That was an amazing thread, and was one of my favorite parts of the EE section on Doomworld.
Too bad they deleted it. I guess because it started to turn into the Insanity Pit after a while? Remember that? I don't recall exactly why it got removed. At the very least you'd think it could have just been moderated better to filter out the stupid videos or something. And relocate the stupid videos to the Insanity Pit. Was a shame to just see it all deleted. There are some videos that were in there I remember watching that I can't even find now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 19:29:53 GMT -5
...LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 0:40:09 GMT -5
The Village-ant Christian is an insane conspiracy theorist, no clue how anyone takes him seriously. Mark Dice is kind of crazy for my liking as well, he assumes some really off the wall shit soon as he hears a story and just announces it on his channel as if it's fact, that kind of stuff annoys me in any youtuber/person presenting ideas
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 18:27:38 GMT -5
This is one of the best "left vs right" vids out there at the moment:
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Post by 40oz on Nov 3, 2017 22:16:51 GMT -5
^ Since the conclusion of that video is basically that no one listens, I think this corny video might be of some use. It's lame but its important.
For me the most important lessons I didn't know previously were showing empathy, and taking responsibility for completeness.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 3:35:53 GMT -5
Man, that could not be further from the truth, I've never heard TJ speculate insane shit with little basis like "The Simpsons is full of Illuminati symbolism and is trying to brainwash you" or whatever insane stuff like that.
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Post by 40oz on Nov 4, 2017 10:59:53 GMT -5
Like most youtubers, I think you can get a pretty nasty impression of someone just by looking at a small slice of their entire body of work.
If you've never played the 1995 megawad Icarus: Alien Vanguard and instead decide to extract one map out of the project and play it, you can be fairly sure that the project sucks balls. You have to play at least a few of the maps to get into the groove about what makes it interesting, and by the time you've completed the whole thing you'll have a very fulfilling experience.
I didn't like Amazing Atheist at first but I listened to a few episodes of the Drunken Peasants podcast so I had a chance to get into his head a little bit and see how he is when he's not being in character. I now have greater respect for him and can understand where he's coming from on a lot of topics. A person is always a culmination of their lifes work and experiences and to thin slice a small aspect of their work and review it independently can be both good and bad in a lot of ways but you couldn't possibly make a very accurate depiction of everything he believes, thinks about himself, and stands for in a single youtube video that makes up one part of an entire series that spans for over a decade.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 20:38:30 GMT -5
Welp, 40 stole my line! If there's evidence of him saying anything totally crazy out there I'd be happy to see it, but I haven't so far. I'm always open to changing my mind, but even when I disagree with him I never think "that's just crazy"
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Post by deathevokation on Nov 13, 2017 5:26:32 GMT -5
I honestly used to hate AA, I hit "like" on one of his videos a long time ago and for years I got recommendations and was forced to read "God is dead!", "Christians are stupid" and a ton of other edgy headlines with a thumbnail of him pulling a face that looked like it belongs on a nu metal band photo until I had to nuke my entire Youtube browsing history (at the time there wasn't an option to block certain channels off your front page, haha)... and a video about parenting where he wears a tinfoil hat while portraying a Christian raising his child (if every Christian raised their child this way, a rise in Atheism wouldn't have happened) while portraying the Atheist telling his child to "question everything and be skeptical".. denouncing Ron Paul because he said he was Christian and denouncing everyone "who empathizes with him" (and leaving out the fact that we were actually empathizing with the fact that Ron Paul himself also said he believes in separation from church and state and said something along the lines of "questions about whether you're a creationist or an evolutionist shouldn't be asked" which is totally understandable since either answer alienates a candidate from the enlightened on both sides and almost always the candidate gets accused of pandering since humans are dumb and focus too much on the cult of personality.. AA's denouncement video proved why I agree with Ron Paul's stance, actually). Eventually I started empathizing with the fact that AA relied on his personality because Youtube was a job for him and was his sole source of income; his roasting filled in the niche for people who get a cathartic release out of it, he started making videos when there wasn't anyone else filling this role on Youtube so good for him! It's kind of a genius business model actually... it's especially funny since you get people to hate watch you who don't realize they make a reasonably sized contribution to your income if you put them altogether.. his content improved but although he's become anti SJW.. he didn't hold his "own side" to the same level of accountability that he held SJWs to with regards to doxxing and Devon Tracy.. he also shilled heavily for an app called Candid and played the attack dog against Youtubers without letting on that he was paid to do so (Candid was an app that "championed" free speech but used a model of algorithms that was later used in Youtube to mass purge comments, it also "championed" anonymity yet the organization used Twitter to call for people to find the identity of the family members of the guy who was the most critical of them).. so he's still kind of a "mixed bag" to me. It also annoyed me when he said that Tucker relies on guests who make him look good.. which is fucking stupid since AA's whole act has been going after low hanging fruit and it's the reason he got popular in the first (which is ok, since sometimes it's the low hanging fruit that's the most poisonous if it's left unattended), the company he keeps on Drunken Peasants can also be argued to be as "guests that prop him up that make him look good" (which on it's own is ok, as well).. the difference is that Tucker goes after people the same week they say something that's not just stupid, but also something that is so disgusting that it goes viral, stuff that are examples of characteristics of modern day psychopaths that are part of a bigger problem in politics (like the dude who said "it's a pleasure to teach future dead cops" and the lady who made the recent ad about the guy chasing minorities in his car, haha fuck that a terrible ad) as well as people who are in positions of power, have a large reach, and politicians who want to implement stupid policies. I'd also venture to say that someone like Bill Nye is hardly a guest that'd prop you up and at best a debate with him will get a mixed reaction. Overall, though... he does have some good content, and when he hits the nail on the head oh man he does it brilliantly and he took that banana incident with a good stride, something not not everyone is capable of, apparently.. although I disproportionately criticized him here, I certainly don't hate him, infact I like him more than I hate him... but it doesn't change the fact that it's a kind of a love/hate relationshit.
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Post by 40oz on Nov 13, 2017 13:31:55 GMT -5
Well said, deathevo. I like being able to read your longform rants/blogs/whateveryouwouldcallit
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Post by deathevokation on Jan 25, 2018 16:45:19 GMT -5
So apparently Amazing Atheist is getting outed as a pedophile has sex with girls in their early teens and another pillar of Drunken Peasants had photos of a naked 15 year old girl, which he leaked for "revenge porn" (what a stupid fucking thing to do... outing yourself as a pedo in the process, what a fucking retard). 2018 REALLY is officially the death of the skeptic (tm) community. The guy who was exposing them had his channel flagged and his video taken down, then the channel that was set to host him on a livestream also gets flagged (in advance)... hmmmm!
I'll post evidence when more becomes available, this is still in it's early stages and I feel like a lot is yet to be revealed and I don't want to get any details wrong... stay tuned friendos!
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