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Post by Justince on Jan 25, 2019 12:09:00 GMT -5
Holy shit. 34 days and counting. Cant we hit 50? 60? Maybe we can just adsorb all these government jobs and just start running the show ourselves? I'm reminded of that episode of Simpsons where the townsfolk starting teaching the kids during a school strike. Of course they were striking for better conditions, not simply told to no longer come to work because President Zombie-Scalp wants his tinkertoy set delivered to the border RIGHT NOW.
Just give him the fucking wall already, and the immigrants and druglords can go back to business as usual at legal ports of entry and underground tunnels.
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Post by DoomKid on Jan 25, 2019 16:13:27 GMT -5
Yeah, fuck this stupid orange cunt. My brother is in the coast guard and hasn't been paid as a result of his stupid fucking symbolic wall that would stop 0% of illegal immigration.
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Post by glenzinho on Jan 25, 2019 16:20:36 GMT -5
Shhhh you’ll wake our Trump loving brothers, then again it will be funny to see them try to defend this shitshow.
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Post by Justince on Jan 25, 2019 16:35:39 GMT -5
I think Trump just folded. Another great story for the 'ol history books.
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Post by dn on Jan 28, 2019 4:42:45 GMT -5
I wonder what Hitler's Twitter account would have looked like.
brb, gas.
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Post by GRUG on Jan 28, 2019 18:33:50 GMT -5
Just give him the fucking wall already, And don't forget to end the DACA policy, end birthright citizenship from illegal immigration, deport criminals, end/de-fund illegal Sanctuary cities, and end welfare loopholes (at state/federal level) for illegal immigrants. <-- I'm sure there is more I'm missing here, but whatever, these are the critical issues pertaining to illegal immigration. It's not just a "lack of a wall" that is arguably needed at most of the southern border wall and a "shitty fuck-off fence in place of where a wall should be" ... it is the fact that we are not enforcing current border policies. We are in a crisis that is likely to lead to something worse thanks to NGOs smuggling/trafficking people across the fucking border by the tens of thousands (these are no different than the NGOs who illegally trafficked millions of migrants in various European countries... and look how great that turned out.) We have endless waves of caravans by the thousands attempting to illegally cross the US undocumented. The democrats won't agree to stop any of this. And the spineless GOP are as useful as a damp rag to dry dishes with. Trump requests $5 billion for wall funding, and everyone freaks the hell out saying "it's a waste of money" yet are completely oblivious to the tens... if not... hundreds of billions of dollars of wasteful spending on bullshit. Oh what bullshit? How about this... $10B for foreign aid to Mexico and Central America ... or better yet... $38B to our good friends in the ME ... and a long list of other countries that we give 1.2 percent of our enormous budget to. But hey never mind the $600B or $700B ... or the $130B+ of taxpayer money for 12 million illegal immigrants. I guess we just can't afford a wall or God forbid guarding our borders. No screw it, just do nothing. >In before some knee-jerk straw-man response on how I'm insensitive towards federal workers receiving delayed paychecks. >In before some snarky faggot pulling some DW-tier infantile response accusing me of being some partisan Trump supporter. Refute my talking points, or fuckoff back to DW.
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Post by DoomKid on Jan 29, 2019 1:48:11 GMT -5
We're going to have to offer the thousands upon thousands of employers who depend on illegal immigrant labour some sort of alternative then because their current workforce is given something like $3 an hour to do shitfuck jobs. No one should be working for that kind of shit pay and I doubt many Americans would be willing (I know I wouldn't) so until we find a suitable replacement, all this 'wall jargon' and 'deport all the illegals' stuff is a waste of breath. Nevermind the fact that a wall would do nothing at all as most illegals tunnel in underground, fly in on planes or helicopters, or simply drive through undetected. As high as you build this wall, I promise somewhere else sells a ladder just as high. $38B going to the Middle East is a fucking awful waste (well, mostly) but we're pissing a lot of money away on useless garbage that didn't get mentioned, like a whole bunch of our $686B Military budget. Hell, we could stop letting private insurance companies FIRMLY GRASP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY THEIR NUTS and implement taxpayer subsidized healthcare which would save us about $2T over the course of the next 12 years compared to our current utter abomination of a healthcare institution. Every single person is guaranteed to face medical issues at some point. This should not be a source of revenue. It should not be an excuse for the existing medical establishment to commit highway robbery in any modern country that's pretending they're civilized. I get that borders are a necessity and that there's only so much in the way of resources to go around. A country should be focused on remaining prosperous and keeping it's people successful (we've actually failed hard in that respect but you know) but really, why do people born south or north of an arbitrary line deserve less of a chance to make a life for themselves? Is being born in a certain region just a shitty roll in the game of life and now you're relegated to "less than human" status and should just never be allowed to try to make your way to the land of milk and honey? It just seems fucked up to point the finger when our ancestors came to the US "illegally" and did a whole lot more than just take horrible piece of shit jobs that pay $3 an hour. It's so easy and lazy to say "you all should be deprived of a chance" just because we're fucking lucky and just happened to be born north of that arbitrary border. I'm not even some big pro-immigration guy or whatever, I see enforcing borders as a necessary evil of sorts but let's just at least attempt to keep things in perspective.
This is not a "knee jerk reaction", Trump is a fucking piece of shit and there is no excuse to deprive American workers of their paychecks while claiming you want to do this "for American workers". This brings talking out both sides of your ass to a whole new level. If he cares about Americans maybe he shouldn't be preventing millions of them from getting paid for their work. What a novel concept!
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Post by GRUG on Jan 29, 2019 4:18:43 GMT -5
We're going to have to offer the thousands upon thousands of employers who depend on illegal immigrant labour some sort of alternative then because their current workforce is given something like $3 an hour to do shitfuck jobs. No one should be working for that kind of shit pay and I doubt many Americans would be willing (I know I wouldn't) so until we find a suitable replacement, all this 'wall jargon' and 'deport all the illegals' stuff is a waste of breath. Nevermind the fact that a wall would do nothing at all as most illegals tunnel in underground, fly in on planes or helicopters, or simply drive through undetected. As high as you build this wall, I promise somewhere else sells a ladder just as high. $3 an hour is only for restaurant "waiter" jobs, and they are fully compensated with tip money that provides them with decent hourly wages. A lot of these waiter jobs are also given to American teenage kids/college students desperate to pay for their schooling. The Federal minimum wage last I checked was $7.25 an hour, and $10.50 an hour for contract workers. Most of these "jobs" that employers illegally hire are farming/agriculture jobs, which is also exempt from federal minimum wage laws. An example of how they get paid would be something like "15 cents a bag of X-amount of onions" ... so it would be like each bag has about 10 onions, and on average a worker picks 50 bags per hour. So that's like the guy is making lets say $7.50 per hour off the books (meaning no tax reporting). I think TYT did a video about this, I just can't find it at the moment. But moot point, these types of agriculture jobs can be easily given to the uneducated/impoverished citizens in the US that are desperate for work. And there are plenty of people who live in rural parts of America that would do these jobs. Hell, what about American felons who are barred from getting decent jobs when they exit prison? A lot of these people could be doing these so-called "unwanted" jobs that only Pablo from Guatemala will do. I'd rather see felons do these jobs instead of going back to a life of crime because corporate America won't hire them. I'm also aware that some agriculture jobs could be mechanized, like let's say "onion" harvesting tractors and conveyor belt machinery may reduce the need for the amount of manpower. But there is still going to be a certain demand of manpower. Walls don't work? We'll tell that to Israel who has a big ass wall that deters Palestinian illegal migration/terrorist attacks. Funded by US tax money too... Good luck trying to dig underneath the Rio Grand river! By the way, Jim Acosta's video inadvertently proved that barriers do help deter illegal migration. Video...$38B going to the Middle East is a fucking awful waste (well, mostly) but we're pissing a lot of money away on useless garbage that didn't get mentioned, like a whole bunch of our $686B Military budget. Hell, we could stop letting private insurance companies FIRMLY GRASP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY THEIR NUTS and implement taxpayer subsidized healthcare which would save us about $2T over the course of the next 12 years compared to our current utter abomination of a healthcare institution. Every single person is guaranteed to face medical issues at some point. This should not be a source of revenue. It should not be an excuse for the existing medical establishment to commit highway robbery in any modern country that's pretending they're civilized. Yes I'm staunchly against pissing away our money to foreign countries, and I'm glad you are too. I believe if we are going to have the world's biggest military budget, it should be actually used to protect our borders, not overseas. I could name several European countries who used their militaries (without firing a single lethal bullet) to guard their borders when millions of illegal migrants were looking to barge into their lands. (Hungary, Romania, Italy, Macedonia, Slovenia etc..) I don't agree with your stance on subsidized medical coverage. Doomkid, I don't think you realize why our healthcare system is the way it is, but it has a lot to do with administrative, and R&D costs. Not all Americans even pay income tax to even fund for this fantasy of free healthcare for all. Not to mention, illegal immigrants are taking advantage of our healthcare for free and yes taxpayers are paying for it ... Where are the funds going to come from? This cost has got to come from somewhere.. and what if the gov runs out of money? Who's going to pay for all liability costs, medical equipment, medical school, and doctor/nurse practitioner salaries? I'll let Papa Styx echo my stance on subsidized healthcare.I get that borders are a necessity and that there's only so much in the way of resources to go around. A country should be focused on remaining prosperous and keeping it's people successful (we've actually failed hard in that respect but you know) but really, why do people born south or north of an arbitrary line deserve less of a chance to make a life for themselves? Is being born in a certain region just a shitty roll in the game of life and now you're relegated to "less than human" status and should just never be allowed to try to make your way to the land of milk and honey? It just seems fucked up to point the finger when our ancestors came to the US "illegally" and did a whole lot more than just take horrible piece of shit jobs that pay $3 an hour. It's so easy and lazy to say "you all should be deprived of a chance" just because we're fucking lucky and just happened to be born north of that arbitrary border. I'm not even some big pro-immigration guy or whatever, I see enforcing borders as a necessary evil of sorts but let's just at least attempt to keep things in perspective. A country should prioritize their OWN people before foreigners. No exceptions. Borders are imperative for any nations survival. Without it, our territory is lost and so is our way of life. I DO NOT wish to see my country and culture that my ancestors built fall apart at the seams from foreigners who are refusing to assimilate. I think you are separating the fact of life that people are tribal. Go take a trip to Los Angeles California and you'll see how illegal immigration has changed the city. The city has a profile of the living conditions of the Central American countries they came from. And this is becoming rampant in the majority of US inner cities. My ancestors came legally to the US when it was fully established as a country. It was a privilege, not a right. There was no United States before 1776. Indigenous American Indians did not build the United States. They were separate nations (some allied with the US, French, British, and CSA governments during times of war) who lived off separate territories. They didn't become US citizens until the 1920s.
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Post by glenzinho on Jan 29, 2019 4:32:59 GMT -5
Luckily Doomkid lives in a country where subsidised healthcare works perfectly well and has for 35+ years. Medicare FTW! Shame dentists aren't covered though, my poor teeth....
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Post by GRUG on Jan 29, 2019 4:42:47 GMT -5
Luckily Doomkid lives in a country where subsidised healthcare works perfectly well and has for 35+ years. Medicare FTW! Shame dentists aren't covered though, my poor teeth.... That's fantastic! I'll tell ya what, we'll send all 12 - 20 million of our illegal immigrants to Australia so they can enjoy the luxury of your totally perfect national healthcare!
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Post by glenzinho on Jan 29, 2019 4:59:26 GMT -5
Passing the buck and wanting others to do the job that your country doesn't know how to do themselves, how typically lazy American of you. Look I don't know how you seppos are gonna do it, but so far turning your own nation into a third world country hasn't dissuaded the immigrants from coming yet so time for a new strategy. You dudes are educated and smart, right? I'm sure you'll figure it all out... You know something? I almost never heard an American accent in person over here growing up, now I'm hearing it more and more because you damn yankee immigrants don't stop coming here. Maybe we need a wall too, that ocean girt by sea ain't what she used to be...
Also I was wrong I'm afraid to admit... this shitshow defence is NOT very funny at all! You cunts of a trump are still delusional and boring, and have committed the egregious sin of not being entertaining while doing so!
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Post by GRUG on Jan 29, 2019 11:44:02 GMT -5
Passing the buck and wanting others to do the job that your country doesn't know how to do themselves, how typically lazy American of you. Lol yeah you figure out how to fund "muh free healthcare" when less than 50% of the Americans population pays income tax. I refuse to be taxed out the ass for people who don't contribute to the system. And holy fucking chode batman, do you not realize how much of a fucking economic strain it would be to subsidize obese Americans ? Obese people are one of the main reasons for high medical costs. I give it a decade at best until the healthcare system no longer sustains. but so far turning your own nation into a third world country hasn't dissuaded the immigrants from coming yet so time for a new strategy. 3rd world immigrants turned our inner cities into 3rd-world-tier shitholes. Los Angeles is just one of many. Import the 3rd world, become the 3rd world. These people are migrating because they think they can get free shit for nothing on my God-damn tax dollars. Screw them. Our nation was pretty good before the transformation from prosperous cities to South American third-world-tier slum cities. Demographics is destiny. I almost never heard an American accent in person over here growing up, now I'm hearing it more and more because you damn yankee immigrants don't stop coming here. LOL that's your problem. You sort it out yourself. But in the meantime... Enjoy our artery clogging burgers! Hope it doesn’t makes you all unhealthy, and I hope it doesn’t jacks up the cost of your free healthcare system :-) Also I was wrong I'm afraid to admit... this shitshow defence is NOT very funny at all! You cunts of a trump are still delusional and boring, and have committed the egregious sin of not being entertaining while doing so! I fucking love how Australians think they just know everything about US politics and domestic affairs. Lol you know nothing. You're only defense is "what works in my country will definitely work in yours!" Shitty argument from the forum drunk. Learn to expand your mind and lay off the VB for once in your life.
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Post by Justince on Jan 29, 2019 13:43:05 GMT -5
We're going to have to offer the thousands upon thousands of employers who depend on illegal immigrant labour some sort of alternative then because their current workforce is given something like $3 an hour to do shitfuck jobs. No one should be working for that kind of shit pay and I doubt many Americans would be willing (I know I wouldn't) so until we find a suitable replacement, all this 'wall jargon' and 'deport all the illegals' stuff is a waste of breath. Nevermind the fact that a wall would do nothing at all as most illegals tunnel in underground, fly in on planes or helicopters, or simply drive through undetected. As high as you build this wall, I promise somewhere else sells a ladder just as high. $3 an hour is only for restaurant "waiter" jobs, and they are fully compensated with tip money that provides them with decent hourly wages.... imgur.com/a/A0UkZW4Anyway... he fucked up. Shutting down the government then getting nothing in return was a stupid move. Even his base is finally owning up to this failure. Analysts are saying the shutdown cost the government more than the funding he asked for anyway. This must be the Art of the Deal I'm hearing so much about. The Democrats have no real reason for not wanting the wall, they just don't want it now because Trump does. They also have to keep the pressure on the racist narrative. Trump couldn't possibly want boarder security, he clearly hates brown people. If Dems let up any ground on the wall it might indicate that maybe Trump isn't racist, and they're not giving up on that golden fuckin egg, not when mindless Twitter drones can keep their pressure on.
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Post by Xeep-Eep on Jan 29, 2019 14:02:15 GMT -5
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Post by GRUG on Jan 29, 2019 14:50:55 GMT -5
Analysts are saying the shutdown cost the government more than the funding he asked for anyway. This must be the Art of the Deal I'm hearing so much about. The Democrats have no real reason for not wanting the wall, they just don't want it now because Trump does. Could of used that money to fund the wall. So basically democrats are pieces of garbage who care little about the illegal migrations happening at the southern border. Whatever orange man does, they must do the direct opposite. It's funny how people could do a 5 second youtube search of the DNC talking heads from over a decade ago, like Pelosi, Schumer, Clintons, and Obama saying that "we must strengthen our border and penalize illegal immigrants" (basically echoing what Trump says now)... but now that orange man is in office, nope they must do the direct opposite... because hey cheap slave labor and future voter base for the DNC! Sneaky sneaky... Just like good ol' William M. Tweed, wanting immigrant votes to boost his voting base. Trump will compromise to DNC requests, like extending DACA, and granting amnesty for some illegals who have been illegally residing in the US for "X-amount" of time, or succumbing to gun-control... but nope, DNC will never reciprocate with a compromise on something in favor of what half the country voted for. They also have to keep the pressure on the racist narrative. Trump couldn't possibly want boarder security, he clearly hates brown people. If Dems let up any ground on the wall it might indicate that maybe Trump isn't racist, and they're not giving up on that golden fuckin egg, not when mindless Twitter drones can keep their pressure on. No kidding they are not going to give up this BS narrative. Why? It's because the dumb DNC lost their once strong voter base. The blue collar white working class (you know those people who voted in Bill Clinton in the 90's). They are so desperate to hang on the the non-white voting base, which is why they are trying to retain as illegal immigrants, naturalizing them for future elections. It's these voters who keep them in re-elected, otherwise, NO ONE ELSE WOULD VOTE THEM IN. That's the truth. People like Pelosi or Schumer don't care, nor do they have a deep connection to the illegal immigrants from the Central Americas. Perhaps Dems like that nutty socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have a deep connection (because identity politics), but not old time DNC snakes like Pelosi or Schumer.
Speaking of ol' William M. Tweed .... I just remembered this movie exists.
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Post by glenzinho on Jan 29, 2019 15:04:17 GMT -5
OMG you're just a fucken parody now, stop parroting stupid people from the news! You're fucken brainwashed.... just admit it, you're President is fucked and you've been sold a bill of goods.
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Post by GRUG on Jan 29, 2019 15:22:10 GMT -5
OMG you're just a fucken parody now, stop parroting stupid people from the news! You're fucken brainwashed.... just admit it, you're President is fucked and you've been sold a bill of goods. Oh fuck off Glen. You're not even a fucking American and you have absolutely NO SAY in American politics, nor do you have any understanding of domestic affairs in the US. And I stand by what I say that YOU CAN'T EVEN REFUTE ANYTHING especially ANYTHING pertaining to stats or sources. That how worthless your posts are. I don't give a fuck what you think otherwise.
Doomkid has actually a say in this matter UNLIKE YOU because he was actually from the states, and he has a brother currently serving in the armed forces, as I also have family members serving and working in the gov. All you do is regurgitate stupid left wing NCP shit from what 90% of the mainstream media says.
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Post by glenzinho on Jan 29, 2019 15:59:14 GMT -5
Dude you're American and you have no say in politics either, we've got that in common at least  You come here raising your flag like it's your favourite sports team which is sad as fuck, but you know we all watch the news and have access to the same info right? You're not telling us anything new or profound as you seem to imagine you are. You also don't get to say who has a say in any matter here, this is a web forum and not a country you dumbarse.
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Post by GRUG on Jan 29, 2019 17:11:03 GMT -5
Nope that's where you're wrong. I live the US and I pay my taxes to the system. I have a fucking say in this matter, especially when it's in my country. If you don't like what I have to say about US politics, then too fucking bad. What goes on with YOUR country's domestic politics is your business, not mine.
I doubt that. I don't have access to Aussie news. So no... I don't have any insight of what political affairs happen in Aussieland.
... Pot to kettle then, huh?
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Post by Bob Page on Jan 29, 2019 21:05:42 GMT -5
Oh fuck off Glen. You're not even a fucking American and you have absolutely NO SAY in American politics, nor do you have any understanding of domestic affairs in the US. And I stand by what I say that YOU CAN'T EVEN REFUTE ANYTHING especially ANYTHING pertaining to stats or sources. That how worthless your posts are. I don't give a fuck what you think otherwise.
Doomkid has actually a say in this matter UNLIKE YOU because he was actually from the states, and he has a brother currently serving in the armed forces, as I also have family members serving and working in the gov. All you do is regurgitate stupid left wing NCP shit from what 90% of the mainstream media says.
The more important difference I see here is that Doomkid can actually articulate his point of view cogently and use logic and facts without resorting to name-calling and vulgarities. I feel like if he and I sat down and discussed what we believe, we'd not only have more in common than not, but would also come away with different perspectives and a better idea of how to actually begin solving problems. Glen's a troll who just wants to get a rise out of people he doesn't agree with and offers nothing that enriches a conversation or leads to a deeper understanding. His schtick is tired and wasn't particularly funny to begin with. He's a child clamoring to sit at the adult's table. I'd just ignore him honestly.
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Post by DoomKid on Jan 31, 2019 3:56:19 GMT -5
@grug, regarding the healthcare discussion, I do understand that America spends a lot more on research and development, but I'm not sure what you mean when you say "what if we run out of money". Multiple sources have broken it down and demonstrated that implementing single-payer would save the US money. link This is not to mention the tremendous savings on insurance premiums that would be seen by most Americans. link link I'm not sure why anyone without Medicaid is currently receiving Medicaid benefits, illegal or not - but that doesn't somehow make it okay that a lot of American citizens choose remaining ill or simply dying to getting treatment because the financial burden is so extreme. link, link No amount of talk is going to suddenly make that an acceptable state for a civilized country to be in. All of this aside, 70% of Americans want single-payer anyway link and I feel that when the numbers are stacked that heavily, what the American people want should determine what happens in America (of course). All of this is (well, in a way) an aside from the main crux of the thread though which is that what Trump did was fucked up and dumb. I guess these people claiming you can't tunnel under the wall are just going to ignore what the Border Patrol has to say on the matter? link, link, link etc etc etc.. I'm always willing to talk about stuff like this. I hate it when the "sides" frame eachother as "deliberately evil, malicious fucks", when the reality is that most people just want what's best for the country but have different ideas about how to get there. This is a HUGE reason why I'm against the rampant censorship we're seeing on platforms that are designed for communication and used by a good chunk of Earth's population, like Twitter, Facebook etc. - As soon as a point of view is silenced, you are officially being told what you are and are not allowed to think and say and that is fucking fascist no matter how you slice it. Any ideas should be allowed and of course debunking or refuting those ideas should also be allowed. Total silence results in ignorance. I'm very much against that. Talking this shit out is how we come to sensible compromises and a better understanding between the lot of us. I have to disagree with Glen on one main point though, the threadshitting was entertaining, for me at least! I think there should always be a healthy amount of bullshit banter, we need a bit of levity when discussing this kind of stuff, at least in my view. We should take advantage of the fact that we don't need to worry about eggshell dodging.
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Post by dn on Jan 31, 2019 11:15:32 GMT -5
Doomkid gets it.
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Post by GRUG on Feb 2, 2019 2:46:59 GMT -5
@grug, regarding the healthcare discussion, I do understand that America spends a lot more on research and development, but I'm not sure what you mean when you say "what if we run out of money". Multiple sources have broken it down and demonstrated that implementing single-payer would save the US money. Bernie Sander's vision of Medicare for all is $33 Trillion costs more than the double average US GDP.. So where are you going to get this money from? You're talking about total subsidization of a massively expensive healthcare system Doomkid. Cost is not going to magically disappear, and medical costs are sure as hell not static. It's going to come from somewhere... right? The US has good healthcare treatments, but the problem is NOBODY is figuring out what keeps driving the costs up. I want to look into why people think a single-payer system will save the US money. I'm going to do more homework on this one *puts nerd glasses on* ... 1) R&D regulations: This is what mostly drives high costs for prescription medications, and medical treatments. 2) Medical schooling costs 3) Medical liability costs: To cover doctors asses when they God-forbid mess somebody up. 4) Administrative costs: <-- This... LinkLinkThis is not to mention the tremendous savings on insurance premiums that would be seen by most Americans. Well you could thank Obummer's Affordable Health Cart Act for jacking up health insurance premiums. Cut the unnecessarily administrative costs, remove the laws preventing insurance offering interstate commerce (seriously, why the hell is the government forcing the healthcare system to be structured in a way that prevents inter-state competition between other providers? This is literally the opposite of a capitalistic system.) I guess these people claiming you can't tunnel under the wall are just going to ignore what the Border Patrol has to say on the matter? You can dig deeper son... Israel has been modifying their wall to preventing underground tunneling from Palestinian militants.linkIt's not impossible. In all honesty the best way to stop these economic migrants is by cutting all the incentives that I've mentioned in my 1st post. As soon as a point of view is silenced, you are officially being told what you are and are not allowed to think and say and that is fucking fascist no matter how you slice it. Sounds a lot like communism. Commies make "fascists" look like libertarians.
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