[ti]cant[/ti]Trump's Government Hostage Thread

Yeah, fuck this stupid orange cunt. My brother is in the coast guard and hasn't been paid as a result of his stupid fucking symbolic wall that would stop 0% of illegal immigration.

I think Trump just folded. Another great story for the 'ol history books.

And don't forget to end the DACA policy, end birthright citizenship from illegal immigration, deport criminals, end/de-fund illegal Sanctuary cities, and end welfare loopholes (at state/federal level) for illegal immigrants. <-- I'm sure there is more I'm missing here, but whatever, these are the critical issues pertaining to illegal immigration. It's not just a "lack of a wall" that is arguably needed at most of the southern border wall and a "shitty fuck-off fence in place of where a wall should be" ... it is the fact that we are not enforcing current border policies. We are in a crisis that is likely to lead to something worse thanks to NGOs smuggling/trafficking people across the fucking border by the tens of thousands (these are no different than the NGOs who illegally trafficked millions of migrants in various European countries... and look how great that turned out.) We have endless waves of caravans by the thousands attempting to illegally cross the US undocumented.

The democrats won't agree to stop any of this. And the spineless GOP are as useful as a damp rag to dry dishes with.

Trump requests $5 billion for wall funding, and everyone freaks the hell out saying "it's a waste of money" yet are completely oblivious to the tens... if not... hundreds of billions of dollars of wasteful spending on bullshit. Oh what bullshit? How about this... $10B for foreign aid to Mexico and Central America ... or better yet... $38B to our good friends in the ME ... and a long list of other countries that we give 1.2 percent of our enormous budget to. But hey never mind the $600B or $700B ... or the $130B+ of taxpayer money for 12 million illegal immigrants. I guess we just can't afford a wall or God forbid guarding our borders. No screw it, just do nothing.

>In before some knee-jerk straw-man response on how I'm insensitive towards federal workers receiving delayed paychecks.

>In before some snarky faggot pulling some DW-tier infantile response accusing me of being some partisan Trump supporter.
Refute my talking points, or fuckoff back to DW.

$3 an hour is only for restaurant "waiter" jobs, and they are fully compensated with tip money that provides them with decent hourly wages. A lot of these waiter jobs are also given to American teenage kids/college students desperate to pay for their schooling. The Federal minimum wage last I checked was $7.25 an hour, and $10.50 an hour for contract workers. Most of these "jobs" that employers illegally hire are farming/agriculture jobs, which is also exempt from federal minimum wage laws. An example of how they get paid would be something like "15 cents a bag of X-amount of onions" ... so it would be like each bag has about 10 onions, and on average a worker picks 50 bags per hour. So that's like the guy is making lets say $7.50 per hour off the books (meaning no tax reporting). I think TYT did a video about this, I just can't find it at the moment. But moot point, these types of agriculture jobs can be easily given to the uneducated/impoverished citizens in the US that are desperate for work. And there are plenty of people who live in rural parts of America that would do these jobs. Hell, what about American felons who are barred from getting decent jobs when they exit prison? A lot of these people could be doing these so-called "unwanted" jobs that only Pablo from Guatemala will do. I'd rather see felons do these jobs instead of going back to a life of crime because corporate America won't hire them.

I'm also aware that some agriculture jobs could be mechanized, like let's say "onion" harvesting tractors and conveyor belt machinery may reduce the need for the amount of manpower. But there is still going to be a certain demand of manpower.

Walls don't work? We'll tell that to Israel who has a big ass wall that deters Palestinian illegal migration/terrorist attacks. Funded by US tax money too...

Good luck trying to dig underneath the Rio Grand river! By the way, Jim Acosta's video inadvertently proved that barriers do help deter illegal migration. Video...

Yes I'm staunchly against pissing away our money to foreign countries, and I'm glad you are too. I believe if we are going to have the world's biggest military budget, it should be actually used to protect our borders, not overseas. I could name several European countries who used their militaries (without firing a single lethal bullet) to guard their borders when millions of illegal migrants were looking to barge into their lands. (Hungary, Romania, Italy, Macedonia, Slovenia etc..)

I don't agree with your stance on subsidized medical coverage. Doomkid, I don't think you realize why our healthcare system is the way it is, but it has a lot to do with administrative, and R&D costs. Not all Americans even pay income tax to even fund for this fantasy of free healthcare for all. Not to mention, illegal immigrants are taking advantage of our healthcare for free and yes taxpayers are paying for it ... Where are the funds going to come from? This cost has got to come from somewhere.. and what if the gov runs out of money? Who's going to pay for all liability costs, medical equipment, medical school, and doctor/nurse practitioner salaries? I'll let Papa Styx echo my stance on subsidized healthcare.

A country should prioritize their OWN people before foreigners. No exceptions. Borders are imperative for any nations survival. Without it, our territory is lost and so is our way of life. I DO NOT wish to see my country and culture that my ancestors built fall apart at the seams from foreigners who are refusing to assimilate. I think you are separating the fact of life that people are tribal. Go take a trip to Los Angeles California and you'll see how illegal immigration has changed the city. The city has a profile of the living conditions of the Central American countries they came from. And this is becoming rampant in the majority of US inner cities.

My ancestors came legally to the US when it was fully established as a country. It was a privilege, not a right. There was no United States before 1776. Indigenous American Indians did not build the United States. They were separate nations (some allied with the US, French, British, and CSA governments during times of war) who lived off separate territories. They didn't become US citizens until the 1920s.

Lol yeah you figure out how to fund "muh free healthcare" when less than 50% of the Americans population pays income tax. I refuse to be taxed out the ass for people who don't contribute to the system. And holy fucking chode batman, do you not realize how much of a fucking economic strain it would be to subsidize obese Americans ? Obese people are one of the main reasons for high medical costs. I give it a decade at best until the healthcare system no longer sustains.


3rd world immigrants turned our inner cities into 3rd-world-tier shitholes. Los Angeles is just one of many. Import the 3rd world, become the 3rd world. These people are migrating because they think they can get free shit for nothing on my God-damn tax dollars. Screw them. Our nation was pretty good before the transformation from prosperous cities to South American third-world-tier slum cities. Demographics is destiny.


LOL that's your problem. You sort it out yourself.  But in the meantime... Enjoy our artery clogging burgers! Hope it doesn’t  makes you all unhealthy, and I hope it doesn’t jacks up the cost of your free healthcare system :-)


I fucking love how Australians think they just know everything about US politics and domestic affairs. Lol you know nothing. You're only defense is "what works in my country will definitely work in yours!" Shitty argument from the forum drunk. Learn to expand your mind and lay off the VB for once in your life.

did you just greentext on a forum

OMG you're just a fucken parody now, stop parroting stupid people from the news! You're fucken brainwashed.... just admit it, you're President is fucked and you've been sold a bill of goods.

Dude you're American and you have no say in politics either, we've got that in common at least You come here raising your flag like it's your favourite sports team which is sad as fuck, but you know we all watch the news and have access to the same info right? You're not telling us anything new or profound as you seem to imagine you are. You also don't get to say who has a say in any matter here, this is a web forum and not a country you dumbarse.

The more important difference I see here is that Doomkid can actually articulate his point of view cogently and use logic and facts without resorting to name-calling and vulgarities.  I feel like if he and I sat down and discussed what we believe, we'd not only have more in common than not, but would also come away with different perspectives and a better idea of how to actually begin solving problems.  Glen's a troll who just wants to get a rise out of people he doesn't agree with and offers nothing that enriches a conversation or leads to a deeper understanding.  His schtick is tired and wasn't particularly funny to begin with.  He's a child clamoring to sit at the adult's table.  I'd just ignore him honestly.

Doomkid gets it.