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Post by hardcoregamer on Aug 12, 2018 15:52:11 GMT -5
EDIT: The original title of this thread was: "The reason Trump will lose and why civil war is inevitable"
And when I say civil war, I mean throughout all the western world in general and not just in the USA.
For the record, I actually support most of Trump's policies in-spite of not being American (I am European), as well as the current rise of populism sweeping the continent presently. Unfortunately, I am not holding my breath for anything to actually happen, and believe that the entire thing will amount to nothing more than a giant case of blueballs for the populist right all over the western world. There are a number of reasons for why I believe this, which I will list below:
1. Trump supporters don't understand why Trump actually won.
Trump supporters believe that Trump won because of America getting sick of political correctness. This is a massive half-truth. The specific portions of the USA (and west in general) that are hurt the most by by political correctness such as the working classes supported Trump, but most of the middle classes don't give a shit or even embrace the it themselves. Fact is, Trump only won because of Hillary. And even then just barely at that. Speaking of the middle classes...
2. The western middle classes (America's included) don't give a shit about the working class. Also, immigration.
This is going to sound harsh but it's true: Middle and upper class people don't care about anybody but themselves. Granted you can say the same about most people, but in the context of politics and Trump's/populism's chances of winning the middle classes insure that those odds are almost none. In order to understand why, it's important to understand why populist policies are popular among the native working classes, and why those same policies are unpopular among the middle classes.
The rise of populism in the west right now is the result of mostly 2 things: Open borders and immigration from the third world with all the crime that comes with it, and the lowering of wages and jobs that comes with it also. This makes globalism and open borders very destructive for the working classes. BUT, for the middle and upper classes both of those things have helped them. Cheaper working class labor can allow them to buy things for cheaper, and most of the immigrant crime and terrorism tends to happen in the poor people's neighborhoods rather than their own giving them less reason to care. If they even care at all. This makes populism and anti-globalism popular among the working classes, but unpopular among the middle classes. Then there is also the foreign working class, which doesn't really care about it's host nation anyway and so won't vote for populist movements. In totality, there are thus more people who are hostile towards populism then there are people who are in favor. And this will only become even more true as more foreigners flood into the west.
3. By the time people wake up, it will be too late.
But at some point even the native middle classes will start to realize that globalism is destructive in the end. Once a large portion of the voters start voting for undemocratic and illiberal policies (like muslims voting for sharia law for example), and once public infrastructure starts collapsing because of the high social cost of all the immigration and the crime, even they will start realizing this isn't really working. But by then, it will be too late to do anything. Through democratic means that is. Then after a while, you are going to see non-natives forming radical political movements the purpose of which is to basically abolish the democracy (radical muslims), or massively redistribute (that is, steal) wealth and property from the white middle and upper classes over to other groups (similar to what is currently happening in South africa). This will cause the native middle and upper classes to freak the fuck out, and knowing it won't be possible to prevent this via the bailout they in their panic will start supporting extremist far-right movements (as in actual literal fascists). The tensions this will generate will then boil over into civil war.
I know these sound like grim predictions, but I honestly can't imagine anything else happening at this point. It appears that the west is too ignorant to what is happening and that only once things get really really bad will they wake up but then it will be too late anyway In a way you could compare all of this to the story about Noah's flood. Noah warned everybody but nobody listened, and only after the flood came did they regret their decisions but then it was all too late anyway and they all drowned...
Do you agree or disagree with my analysis?
EDIT: Well it turns out that 20-30% of blacks are now supporting Trump. Well I guess you can ignore everything I said for the USA then. If the democrats have shat themselves so badly that even the blacks are turning on them then they are smokey porkey. Still think Europe is smoked though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 15:57:41 GMT -5
Dude get some air, breathe and be calm. Sorry to disappoint but there will be no civil war, no bloodshed of government against citizens, no unnecessary slaughter. The world will keep turning as it always did.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 13, 2018 7:39:15 GMT -5
I can't see a radical muslim party or a fascist party gaining enough ground to rape and pillage our middle class neighborhoods with any degree of success. There's a lot of voter apathy here in the United States, but there's much more resistance to do anything, which includes joining said parties.
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Post by hardcoregamer on Aug 13, 2018 19:21:17 GMT -5
I can't see a radical muslim party or a fascist party gaining enough ground to rape and pillage our middle class neighborhoods with any degree of success. There are already small islamist parties forming in Europe and the far-right is growing at a steady pace...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 19:26:50 GMT -5
Well holy shit that’s all the proof I need! You’ve convinced me HG. That's it folks, show's over, end of the world coming soon. It's been a good run, can't complain.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 21:54:42 GMT -5
Honestly, it's probably about time for another civil war in America. We need to re-establish our borders, language, and culture, and civil political discourse isn't gonna get it done.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 21:58:56 GMT -5
Ouch! Watch that edge folks, it’s sharp!
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Post by GRUG on Aug 14, 2018 4:54:31 GMT -5
Lol HG, I like your new avatar. Most Americans are too lazy and they live too comfortable to do shit. Ever hear of the old expression: "give them bread and circuses." If something does break out, it's going to be from small groups of people fighting with each other (like gang-warfare between races, or extreme political ideologies). 1. Trump supporters don't understand why Trump actually won. A good amount do. I can't say what the percentage is, but many of them are aware of why/how he won. It wasn't just because Hillary was a shit-tier candidate. He won over the disenfranchised middle class blue collar workers in states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. The fact that under his administration, manufacturing jobs are being brought back looks very good on his part. He's kept the majority of his presidential promises (he just needs to build a wall, but he's getting push back from Democrats in congress on funding... no surprise). He's also recently hit a 50% approval rating. So, unless Trump monumentally screws something up, he's got a good chance of winning a second term (unless the Democrats put up a significantly better candidate than Hillary.... seriously, wtf was the DNC thinking putting her up as candidate?) In regards to political correctness: A lot of people who voted for Trump are sick of the political correctness, especially on immigration. The overwhelming majority of people I knew who voted for him are sick of it. So I don't know what you are talking about here. There's also a notable "walkaway" movement, where life long democrat voters are ditching the party. So, the DNC is not in a good position here. They are risking losing their voter base. To fix this, they've been fighting tooth and nail to naturalize illegal Hispanic immigrants so they could retain their votes. 2. The western middle classes (America's included) don't give a shit about the working class. Also, immigration. Um, not sure. Much of the middle class in America are "blue collar" workers especially in parts of the country that are less urban. Immigration, and H1B Visa migrants are a concern to both blue collar and white collar workers. 3. By the time people wake up, it will be too late. I think demographically, the US is in a pickle. If millions of illegals become naturalized, then they will vote in the hard left wing globalist bureaucracy that provides them with free shit. Look at how Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to the illegal immigrants in California. He envisioned that they will be future Republican voters. However, it literally turned the state from red to blue. The US doesn't have much of a Muslim immigration problem compared to Western Europe. The issue the US has with Muslims is mostly in Dearborn Michigan were they created shadow governments in their communities, the same way Muslims created shadow governments in London, Paris, or Malmo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 10:12:57 GMT -5
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Post by hardcoregamer on Aug 16, 2018 12:17:40 GMT -5
Well it turns out that 20-30% of blacks are now supporting Trump. Well I guess you can ignore everything I said for the USA then. If the democrats have shat themselves so badly that even the blacks are turning on them then they are smokey porkey. Still think Europe is smoked though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 14:41:35 GMT -5
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Post by hardcoregamer on Aug 16, 2018 17:21:11 GMT -5
No at what? The fact that even black voters are not starting to say fuck you to all this PC bullshit? If a considerable portion of minority and youth voters dump the democrats then they are toast.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 17:53:22 GMT -5
No to the idea of people who know nothing about life nor rarely leave the bedroom having such bullshit backwards arse political opinions. Get out and smell the air and interact with people and see what life is about. Do you work? Study?
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Post by hardcoregamer on Aug 16, 2018 18:32:28 GMT -5
No to the idea of people who know nothing about life nor rarely leave the bedroom having such bullshit backwards arse political opinions. Get out and smell the air and interact with people and see what life is about. Do you work? Study?
I work on Doom mods and study the skills needed.
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Aug 16, 2018 19:08:31 GMT -5
^ Please tell me that was a joke response
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 19:50:44 GMT -5
Actually I’m curious, I don’t recall seeing HG Doom work. What have you got bro, link me up!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 20:02:35 GMT -5
^ Please tell me that was a joke response Please I second this post
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Post by 40oz on Aug 17, 2018 7:55:29 GMT -5
You invite hardcoregamer over here with the promise that we wouldn't shit all over his threads like doomworld does, then you respond to his paragraphs with that? Ice cold, brother, ice cold.
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Post by hardcoregamer on Aug 17, 2018 10:45:53 GMT -5
^ Please tell me that was a joke response Please Not really. I legit have nothing going on in my life except modding and playing Doom. Well that and getting drunk during the weekends while watching streams. Actually I’m curious, I don’t recall seeing HG Doom work. What have you got bro, link me up! It's been a loooooong time since I actually released something, largely because I start one project and them dump it for something else. The last thing I worked on before dumping the project was this thing:
It was intended to be an unofficial sequen/expansion thingy for Brutal Doom 64. However I dropped it because I decided to start another even bigger project. This decision was made because about a year ago I seriously got into 3D modeling and CG art and I feel I will soon be good enough to start making my own assets. I have pretty much made it my live goal for the past year or so to make my own Doom game, but I don't want to actually showcase anything until I have been able to throw together at least a functioning demo level. You will hear about it more when this happens, but only then.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 14:58:59 GMT -5
You invite hardcoregamer over here with the promise that we wouldn't shit all over his threads like doomworld does, then you respond to his paragraphs with that? Ice cold, brother, ice cold. What's cooler than being cool? Also I don't recall any such promise being made. I respond to posts on a case by case basis giving them the respect they deserve, regardless of whether it's 10 or ten thousand words. Hardcore Gamer is an unusual dude, and I have no maliciousness towards the Ice Cold Icelandic brother, but the dude seriously needs to stop watching or reading the news and get out of the house once in a while and breathe in the air. I wanna see the dude do well and be straight up but that won't happen by enabling his bullshit. On to better news, this mod of his looks far more promising for him than a career in political commentary. Keep working on that HG and forget about the politics, although you need to help me out here: what is your actual work in the clip provided? I'm not familiar with Doom 64, but I think I recognise some maps from that. Is it just the weapons?
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Post by hardcoregamer on Aug 17, 2018 15:54:17 GMT -5
although you need to help me out here: what is your actual work in the clip provided? I'm not familiar with Doom 64, but I think I recognise some maps from that. Is it just the weapons?
I did everything except for the new graphics. Though I did alter the original behavior of some of the custom weapons (the laser thing originally did not create an explosion with a splash damage for example, and it also originally used a much weaker sound effect which I replaced with the death star laser sound effect instead). But it's a moot point anyway since this mod is dead, since I started work on another mod (well it's really more of a new game than a mod) that takes all the good elements of this one but make it way better. It's 3D as well rather than using 2D sprites. I won't give any further details. You will just have to wait until I am happy showcasing stuff =)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 16:27:51 GMT -5
Very productive, I'm proud of you.
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Post by hardcoregamer on Aug 17, 2018 16:52:08 GMT -5
Very productive, I'm proud of you.
Not sure if sarcasm or genuine compliment.
In any case, it's friday. And you all know what that means?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 17:02:54 GMT -5
Genuine compliment. Make Doom, not politics. Friday means you're getting drunk or this
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Post by hardcoregamer on Aug 17, 2018 17:07:01 GMT -5
Genuine compliment. Friday means you're getting drunk? Or thisWell thanks, I will make sure to insure that you will among the first people to see glimpse of my masterpiece once I am ready to showcase some stuff for it! (well actually I will just make a thread about it probably, but hopefully you will be among the first to see it).
And yes, friday means I am getting drunk! I am on my third beer. Don't know if I will get another one though since I am sort of planning on doing some stuff in Zbrush tomorrow haha.
EDIT: Never mind I am on my 4rth beer now lol. Meza lika getting trashed in za hundo.
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