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Post by joe-ilya on Aug 6, 2018 4:12:22 GMT -5
Yeah, the lipstick isn't doing her any favours, it also looks like a stereotypical choice, you might as well give her a bow, pink hair, earrings and all that other makeup.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 10:13:30 GMT -5
Yeah, the lipstick isn't doing her any favours, it also looks like a stereotypical choice, you might as well give her a bow, pink hair, earrings and all that other makeup. I don't see the problem here. Maybe she wants to look pretty while she kills demons. What's wrong with women who wear makeup, Joe?
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Post by Justince on Aug 6, 2018 10:18:31 GMT -5
Hold on hellspawn, I broke a nail! Ahh one of my fake eyelashes fell into my eye, aARRg!! *eats cyberdemon rocket*
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Post by joe-ilya on Aug 6, 2018 11:06:07 GMT -5
Imagine if Ripley wore lipstick throughout the whole Alien series.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 12:26:41 GMT -5
Yeah, the lipstick isn't doing her any favours, it also looks like a stereotypical choice, you might as well give her a bow, pink hair, earrings and all that other makeup. Oh please... What a stereotypical complaint in this day and age.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 12:40:03 GMT -5
Imagine if Ripley wore lipstick throughout the whole Alien series. Alien is literally a movie about a woman fighting big penis monsters. The final battle has her defeating the Xenomorph in her panties. Dan O'Bannon wrote the original script to be a kind of cheesey space movie. FYI he also wrote the script for Return of the Living Dead, that has a hot girl running naked through out much of it.
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Post by Chainie on Aug 6, 2018 13:22:56 GMT -5
Yeah, the lipstick isn't doing her any favours, it also looks like a stereotypical choice, you might as well give her a bow, pink hair, earrings and all that other makeup. Lipstik is just an easy way to show mouth in doom palette and small resolution.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 6, 2018 13:42:18 GMT -5
Imagine if Ripley wore lipstick throughout the whole Alien series. Good! She's a beautiful brave and independent woman! Shes a smart wonderful lady that pioneered the movement towards a future of strong female protagonists facing deadly and violent adversaries who kick ass and look good doing it! We need more women like that to transcend popular misconception. Therefore she should conform to the male-dominated social standards of hourglass figures, and beauty cosmetics.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 14:14:44 GMT -5
I think women conform to those standards on their own volition, imo. Many women dress up more for themselves, rather than for men. Many of them like it, and nobody is forcing them. Some people like to "conform", because that's their choice, and there is no imperative to be "individualist", just because.
If there's any "male-dominated standard of beauty", it's being facilitated by gay men who dominate the fashion industry. Most of the time, their standard of what is fashionable and beautiful is not in step with what straight men like. Most models have an androgynous, skinny, heroine-chic look. While many straight men prefer more filled out, average looking women.
I say let people do what ever they like. For example, if someone wants to make a mod of a female character with lipstick, let them.
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Post by dn on Aug 6, 2018 20:24:02 GMT -5
Alien is literally a movie about a woman fighting big penis monsters. The final battle has her defeating the Xenomorph in her panties. Dan O'Bannon wrote the original script to be a kind of cheesey space movie. FYI he also wrote the script for Return of the Living Dead, that has a hot girl running naked through out much of it. Can't blame O'Bannon for the end of Alien. His involvement in the script pretty much ended at the Star Beast stage; that's the script that has has a note in it that says any of the characters could be played by either men *or* women, such was the tragic level of incompetence involved in characterization.
It's really Ridley Scott who decided on a lot of the psycho-sexual stuff in Alien. The Hill - Giler rewrite contained the plot, sure, but the stage directions said ROBOT strangles RIPLEY, not ROBOT - tragically a bit a like Action Man in the penis department - rolls up a porn magazine and attempts to face-fuck RIPLEY to death with it. PARKER smashes head off ROBOT: ROBOT BLOOD / SPUNK flies out of neck and drenches everyone like intergalactic Bukake.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 20:44:52 GMT -5
I personally would have gone for either a more Vasquez from Aliens kinda style or a Sandra Bullock look for a Doom gal myself, that's probably just all those action flicks I spent my development years watching though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 22:56:55 GMT -5
I think women conform to those standards on their own volition, imo. Many women dress up more for themselves, rather than for men. Many of them like it, and nobody is forcing them. Absolutely true. Cosmetics have been around at least since ancient Egypt and probably before that. Women instinctively know that making themselves more attractive to the opposite sex increases the chances that they will be selected for breeding, and thus will pass on their DNA. All this silly modern day bullshit about being "naturally beautiful" and "#nomakeup" is for hopeless, fat, ugly chicks who won't get laid not matter what.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 23:00:16 GMT -5
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Post by joe-ilya on Aug 7, 2018 6:55:23 GMT -5
You just had to turn this into a political debate.
Anyways, my point with the lipstick complaint was that it didn't fit and as a result ended up looking like unnecessary feminization, but now Chaingunner says it was a choice because of the low resolution.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 7:23:15 GMT -5
You just had to turn this into a political debate. You must be referring to yourself in third-person. Yeah, the lipstick isn't doing her any favours, it also looks like a stereotypical choice, you might as well give her a bow, pink hair, earrings and all that other makeup.
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Post by Justince on Aug 7, 2018 15:20:53 GMT -5
I think women conform to those standards on their own volition, imo. Many women dress up more for themselves, rather than for men. Many of them like it, and nobody is forcing them. Absolutely true. Cosmetics have been around at least since ancient Egypt and probably before that. Women instinctively know that making themselves more attractive to the opposite sex increases the chances that they will be selected for breeding, and thus will pass on their DNA. All this silly modern day bullshit about being "naturally beautiful" and "#nomakeup" is for hopeless, fat, ugly chicks who won't get laid not matter what. As painfully evident in the meteoric rise of female-incel groups online! They're violent, they drive cars into crowds of people, they go on shooting sprees! They also...don't exist. I don't know what planet you've been living on, but women have always been the gatekeepers of reproductive selection in any semi-developed society regardless of how much makeup they wear. I don't care how fat or ugly you think she is, if she wants it, someone's sticking a pole in it.
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Post by joe-ilya on Aug 7, 2018 16:02:10 GMT -5
You just had to turn this into a political debate. You must be referring to yourself in third-person. Yeah, the lipstick isn't doing her any favours, it also looks like a stereotypical choice, you might as well give her a bow, pink hair, earrings and all that other makeup. Not really, it's just how Disney handled the female girlfriends of Mickey mouse and Donald duck, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 17:18:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 22:44:55 GMT -5
I don't care how fat or ugly you think she is, if she wants it, someone's sticking a pole in it. I agree with you that someone will stick a pole in it, but not necessarily the best mate with the strongest genes. Humans try to breed with members of their race with the best reproductive fitness. So if putting on a little makeup, wearing a better-fitting garment, and doing up your hair gets you laid by a decent looking guy with a steady job as opposed to some clown from the ghetto with a long rap sheet and sagging jeans, you'll put in the extra effort.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 11:51:28 GMT -5
You must be referring to yourself in third-person. Not really, it's just how Disney handled the female girlfriends of Mickey mouse and Donald duck, etc. And? I don't see how it is an affront to anyone. 99.9% of people don't care.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 11:56:35 GMT -5
Here's a picture of a real duck and a real mouse. Are you able to tell the difference of their sex? In Disney cartoons they wear clothing. Because you know, it's a cartoon. So if a male duck and mouse wear male clothing, why wouldn't a female duck and mouse wear female clothing?
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Post by joe-ilya on Aug 8, 2018 13:33:00 GMT -5
The characters were very abstract to me, they looked asexual, wore basic outfits and not that much... until they got their girls respectively as an afterthought for some romance themed plots and whatnot when the writers were running out of stories to write. Don't get me wrong though, I have nothing against what was done with the characters in that particular setting because it's a stylistic choice to differentiate between them more easily, cool, but here it seemed unnecessary because it didn't fit in with the gritty story and atmosphere in Doom.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 18:39:08 GMT -5
but here it seemed unnecessary because it didn't fit in with the gritty story and atmosphere in Doom. Well, that seems like a more sensible complaint imo. Though in defense of the Disney artists, the only other way they could have differentiated the sexes, is if they gave them extremely graphic and gratuitous human-like genitalia. Thus, the pink bow sufficed.
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Post by dn on Aug 9, 2018 1:28:04 GMT -5
Distaff versions of male characters are, and have always been, the laziest shit imaginable. It's interesting you bring up Minnie Mouse, who might have been patient zero for this particular writer's cancer; conceptually, she's the great, great grandmother of such utterly unforgettable characters such as Supergirl, Batgirl, et al.
When a company becomes so creatively bankrupt as to slap tits on an existing property and call it a day, that's when said property is removed forever and wholeheartedly from the artistic register. I have no idea why people find it so difficult to write original and interesting female characters: it's doubly enraging that this latest outbreak of SJWism has done fuck all to fix the problem, instead doubling down on the 'add tits' approach with the added bonus of retroactively emasculating the original character (see: 'remove dick').
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 2:31:57 GMT -5
Wait wait, you mean you want actual characters and writing in the art you consume rather than lazy, uninspired, repackaged versions of things but with the genders swapped? Only one conclusion to draw here, you must hate all women. No other explanation possible. Nope, none. Don't even give me that "I just want well written scripts and stories" dog whistling trash, you scourge of the Earth!
In fact, I think you should be deplatformed by all and any websites and social media. After all, it isn't censorship of ideas when private* entities do it! Suddenly my supposed appreciation for the free marketplace of ideas flies out the fucking window when they're silencing people that I don't like, and you just happen to be one of them, bucko!
*Over 2.6 billion people communicate using these platforms, the president even uses it, oh but rest assured it's TOTALLY PRIVATE GUISE. 2.6 billion people? Come on! That's nothing! You'd easily reach just as many people standing on a literal soap box on your nearest intersection. It totally isn't stomping on the concept of freedom of expression, so don't even give me that nonsense, you evil, evil man! If the founding fathers wanted the internet to be considered a public utility, they would have expressly stated such in the constitution. Duh!
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