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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 12:21:37 GMT -5
One frustrating thing about interacting with same people for long periods of time is that often they will form an opinion on you and then refuse to change it. Sometimes years pass and yet it seems like they treat you exactly the same way they treated you a long time ago, no matter how much you change and how much new information you reveal about yourself. Is there anything that can be done about this? The most radical solution I can think of is to simply make new friends instead of hanging out with the old ones. That way you get to kind of start from scratch and you can ensure that people have an up-to-date image of you, which is really refreshing! But are there other ways? Or is it just a very very very gradual process you can't really speed up? Has anyone struggled with this?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 12:33:36 GMT -5
You can't make them, really. If they're sufficiently shocked or surprised by what you do, they may re-evaluate you, but you'll probably not have much control over when that happens.
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Post by Justince on Jul 11, 2018 13:17:20 GMT -5
I guess it solely depends on the maturity of the people you interact with. Though I had already been lurking for years, when I finally joined DW in 2011 I already had a good idea of the outcasts or the lower status people and treated them rather shitty. Part of it was bad information from other sources and part was wanting to fit in with those who seemed to be garnering all the favor. One of them was 40oz, I gave him a really hard time in nearly every thread. But I got to know him more and playing his maps and reading his long-ass winded posts about mapping philosophies and knew all this shit he had been getting was unwarranted and unfair, so I stopped acting like a dick towards him.
I'm old and wise enough to keep my really personal shit under my hat, people can fuck with me all they want, all they know is what I allow to be known. I imagine being a teenager on a forum and saying a bunch of stupid shit then growing out of it with the same people looking down at you would be a lot harder to overcome. Just look at Sodaholic or whatever his name is now, that's going to be an uphill battle. But it can be done, I mean insertwackynamehere and Blackfish also used to be the butt of every joke, now people just walk on by.
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Post by dn on Jul 11, 2018 13:39:27 GMT -5
I mean insertwackynamehere and Blackfish also used to be the butt of every joke, now people just walk on by. well yeah, but that took the better part of 8 years.
Maybe hire a PR agency or something.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 14:57:05 GMT -5
Memfis, I used to think that you were really cool, for a number of years. Then earlier this year you pissed me off and frustrated me with your Doom attitude at that time and your statements of never mapping again and I thought you were a cunt. Then I’ve started talking to you like actually properly in recent months here and on Discord. Now I want to adopt you So take all that into account, for science.
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Post by agent6 on Jul 12, 2018 4:41:42 GMT -5
In short, I think that yes, you can, but it largely depends on whether they're willing to change theirs.
Many people are quick to judge, so after you make a first impression it will unfortunately be set in stone afterwards, no matter how much effort you put into changing it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 5:25:54 GMT -5
I think when someone forms an opinion of you, it is rare that they change their general sentiments towards you. If two people or more confide the same negative opinion about you, they could re-enforce that sentiment, and relegate you to a caricature that becomes the butt of secret jokes. It is a horrible mentality, but a lot of people do it I've noticed. Doing well for yourself, or doing something praiseworthy could inspire jealousy or unfair criticism from these kinds of people. They will look for fault in everything you do, because of the ingrained opinion they have.
I think the best thing to do is find new friends. You don't need to waste your time trying to de-program people from a mindset they have about you.
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Post by Olroda on Jul 12, 2018 5:38:27 GMT -5
relegate you to a caricature that... It seems to me that hardcoregamer is one such approved target over at the other site.
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Post by Li'l devil on Jul 12, 2018 8:09:02 GMT -5
I've noticed that many people are willing to change their opinions on others, but only for the worse, not for the better, unless they're already friends with those people. So, yeah, just find people who can forgive you your mistakes and make friendship with them, and ignore others.
Edit: oh, by the way, I am a forgiving person. Make friends with me!
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Post by 40oz on Jul 12, 2018 8:58:30 GMT -5
I feel like this is a major flaw in our social evolution that is magnified because of the internet, and could use much more attention than it is given. Anyone who is perfect has skeletons in their closet, for sure. The best people in this world are people who have made horrible mistakes. People change.
In normal conversation, people say dumb regrettable shit over and over that people tend to forget about over time. Nobody forgets anything on the internet. All people in history were complete fucking idiots back then. They didn't know any better. But we learn from our mistakes. If we're scared to make mistakes in the first place, we never evolve.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 14:38:18 GMT -5
I feel like this is a major flaw in our social evolution that is magnified because of the internet, and could use much more attention than it is given. Anyone who is perfect has skeletons in their closet, for sure. The best people in this world are people who have made horrible mistakes. People change. In normal conversation, people say dumb regrettable shit over and over that people tend to forget about over time. Nobody forgets anything on the internet. All people in history were complete fucking idiots back then. They didn't know any better. But we learn from our mistakes. If we're scared to make mistakes in the first place, we never evolve. This is true, life is about trial and error. Nobody is born with all of the right answers, and ability to make all of the right choices. Failure is an important aspect of life, because we learn from it.
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