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Post by GRUG on May 17, 2018 1:00:15 GMT -5
Opinion Blog: The Boy Scouts of America (BSA) - RIP ... Well sort of.... probably soon to be dissolved within a decade. As of 2018, BSA is no longer about Boy Scouting. The new name change from "BSA" to just "Scouting" to accommodate girls and "gender neutral" kids .... I'm amazed how media pressure and ACLU lawsuits can scare the shit out of a private organization to fundamentally change what they once were. So the Boy Scouts, a private organization, now is dropping their core values (religion, brotherhood, and male adolescent maturity). I was in scouting during my youth. I've achieved the rank of Eagle back in May of 2011 (2 day's before my 18th Birthday). It was something I was proud of because less than 6% of scouts nation wide achieve this rank. I sacrificed a ton of my hours to earning the required merit badges and executed a 9 month Eagle Scout community service project. I just don't see much of a future for this organization. I've noticed that Scouting "standards" were going down hill even before the controversies. Scouts used to be a very disciplined organization that took pride in they how they presented themselves to their communities, as well as the national as a whole. They were strict on wearing a full uniform to ALL scouting events/meetings/activities. You literally could not go out anywhere looking like a slob. Scout masters assigned scouts roles and responsibilities, such as Quartermaster, Instructor, Scribe, Historian, Chaplin aid, Bugler, etc... If you ever watched the film Moonrise Kingdom (great movie by the way, highly recommend), you'll understand what I'm talking about in regards to the scouting standards back in the day. I don't know what changed. It's so rare to actually see scout troops these days upholding the strict standards from 5 or 6 decades ago. www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/02/607678097/boy-scouts-changing-name-to-scouts-bsa-as-girls-welcomed-into-program breakpoint.org/2017/09/the-decline-of-the-boy-scouts-continues/ www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/12/boy-scouts-ranks-drop/5435033/Maybe a "new" boy scouting organization will emerge from the ashes. Who knows. Although I didn't live through the "golden days" of scouting (I'm going to say from 1910's - 1960's... from what I've heard, the 1970's was the turning point in scouting policies), at least there is something nice still to look back on: Picture 1Picture 2Picture 3Picture 4Picture 5 |
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Post by joe-ilya on May 17, 2018 1:39:17 GMT -5
What's so bad about stopping the segregation between the sexes? You're overreacting.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 2:01:37 GMT -5
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Post by dn on May 17, 2018 4:41:18 GMT -5
I think it will do the troons good to learn how to dig a hole and shit in the bushes instead of in the women's toilets.
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Post by 40oz on May 17, 2018 5:14:05 GMT -5
I think this has more to do with the interests, morals, and values of the public shifting than the boy scouts caving to pressure. Unless the pressure is in fact, being able to sustain itself in a formidable way when it has half the members it had a decade ago and no money to afford camping equipment, but still cling to the 'no gays or girly boys allowed' rules.
Not sure what the necessity is for a name change. If people are bitching because their girl wants to be in boy scouts, then let the girl be a boy scout.
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Post by Justince on May 17, 2018 10:31:41 GMT -5
Yup, identity politics dismantles another American institution. This is the age where the child is in charge, they tell the parent what they want, and fuck anyone else who disagrees. The Mormons already bailed, and took their massive financial support with them. Mormons made up like 18% of all scouts, I don't think there are enough transsexuals to fill that void. Be condescending and sarcastic if you want, but this has much more to do with a bad trend in American culture than 'shifting values'. If these people had any values at all they'd not fuck up the program for everyone else because their stupid kid demands something it shouldn't have, when other perfectly reasonable programs are in place for girls. They absolutely caved to a loud, irritating minority (sound familiar?). Men are evil, anything masculine must be destroyed and if my kid wants a vagina on Tuesday and a penis on Thursday well by God that's what it gets and you get to like it. They are not going to be able to sustain themselves after alienating their entire support base.
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Post by agent6 on May 17, 2018 10:55:14 GMT -5
I think this has more to do with the interests, morals, and values of the public shifting than the boy scouts caving to pressure. Unless the pressure is in fact, being able to sustain itself in a formidable way when it has half the members it had a decade ago and no money to afford camping equipment, but still cling to the 'no gays or girly boys allowed' rules. Not sure what the necessity is for a name change. If people are bitching because their girl wants to be in boy scouts, then let the girl be a boy scout. I don't exactly understand what's the ultimate goal of this change either. Last time I checked there were "girl scouts" as well . What am I missing here? |
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Post by GRUG on May 17, 2018 11:54:41 GMT -5
What's so bad about stopping the segregation between the sexes? You're overreacting. Not sure what the necessity is for a name change. If people are bitching because their girl wants to be in boy scouts, then let the girl be a boy scout. You guys are missing the point. Each scouting branch (boy scouts & girl scouts) had their own gender roles and milestones for maturity into adulthood. That's the main difference. I support Girl Scouting just as much as I support Boy Scouting. I think this has more to do with the interests, morals, and values of the public shifting than the boy scouts caving to pressure. Somewhat true. Since mid 2000's the media and ACLU have been twisting the organization's arm to changing their policies. They threw numerous lawsuits at them, and now the BSA finally caved in. Controlling a media narrative, you'll change the mindset of people. It's that simple. |
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Post by joe-ilya on May 18, 2018 8:46:20 GMT -5
Well. these gender roles have definitely faded away since the 1910's.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 9:36:34 GMT -5
What's so bad about stopping the segregation between the sexes? You're overreacting. What? How are the sexes segregated, dude? In America women hold the same jobs as men; they drive, vote, attend the same schools, and play the same sports that men do. They literally have equal rights and can go to all the same locations that men can. I can't think of anything that men can access that women can't. ( Side Note: There are plenty of clubs/areas that are still "women only", but c'mon bro, they're entitled to it, amirite?) But when an organization that acknowledges the biological fact that there are two different sexes with two different sets of strengths and weaknesses wants to give boys a few hours a week to develop their talents and bond as males, you are claiming that it's "segregating sexes" and perpetuating "gender roles"?!? I think you might be seriously fucked in the head. |
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Post by joe-ilya on May 18, 2018 11:01:15 GMT -5
Surely they do, but nowadays people are more open to do the things that the other gender usually does, unlike the early 20th century where it was frowned upon, so IMO it makes less sense to have this "boys or girls" mentality with the scouts.
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Post by technician on May 19, 2018 16:25:30 GMT -5
Because feminists want to abolish male only environments while retaining their own gender segregated safe spaces. Girl Scouts is going nowhere. You know, cake and eating it...
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on May 19, 2018 17:18:16 GMT -5
Technician!! You're still with us!! Missed you dude.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 18:27:31 GMT -5
I'm in the awkward position of thinking that those who seek to dismantle "men's institutions" or "women's institutions" are fucking retarded while also thinking "intuitions for just one gender" are also fucking retarded. The difference is, just because I think that, I'd never want to dismantle those things for those who enjoy them or for some (in my opinion, misguided) reason see them as necessary. You take these things away from people and it makes them upset and loud - and who can really blame them? They were doing their thing while not harming anyone and a bunch of 'do-gooders' come through and fuck it all up for their own misguided need to feel like they "did something".
None of this is about 'rights' to be clear, equality between the sexes has pretty much been totally accomplished in the west what with having the same freedoms, getting the same pay for the same amount of work, etc etc.
tl;dr every single person is fucking retarded
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 18:54:07 GMT -5
Aren't the boy and girl scouts mainly separate because children are arseholes (for lack of a better way of explaining their behaviour, of course) who can't be trusted to get along with others? Especially the other gender?
It's how things were handled where I grew up, the boys and girls hated each other growing up as wee kids (then that all changed in the teen years... Suppose that's another reason to keep em separate too, camping trips and hormones probably end terribly).
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Post by GRUG on May 19, 2018 20:15:39 GMT -5
tl;dr every single person is fucking retarded t. centrist  |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 20:46:10 GMT -5
NO, I'm not a centrist because that implies I want to be somewhere in between the turd sandwich and the giant douche when really I want to be as far away from either of them as possible!
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Post by 40oz on May 21, 2018 17:53:36 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point. Each scouting branch (boy scouts & girl scouts) had their own gender roles and milestones for maturity into adulthood. That's the main difference. I support Girl Scouting just as much as I support Boy Scouting. What are those? The boys build fires and hike and shit while the girls sell pre-baked cookies? |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 5:19:09 GMT -5
Don’t be forgetting the dib dib dibbing and the dob dob dobbing, that shit is manly as fuck yo.
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Post by GRUG on May 23, 2018 0:26:26 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point. Each scouting branch (boy scouts & girl scouts) had their own gender roles and milestones for maturity into adulthood. That's the main difference. I support Girl Scouting just as much as I support Boy Scouting. What are those? The boys build fires and hike and shit while the girls sell pre-baked cookies? I'm going to trigger a lot of "progressives" but fuck it, I just don't care anymore: No. The Girl Scouts went on camping trips too. They learned the same outdoor skills too. They've always did the same camping activities. The only thing different is that the girl scouts did less "STEM" (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics) activities and focused a bit more on female gender activities/roles that are now considered archaic. Activities such as sewing, crocheting, home economics, etc... Boy Scouts taught male etiquette and gender roles, while Girl Scouts taught female etiquette and gender roles. The STEM introduction to Girl Scouting came around the 1970's (I think). Girls sold pre-baked cookies to help finance their individual troop. Boy Scouts did the same by selling popcorn. We also did community projects in which the local town(s) would pay us to do things like roadside clean ups, public building restorations, etc... Boys like to do activities with other boys, and girls like to do activities with other girls. |
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Post by GRUG on May 23, 2018 0:28:01 GMT -5
Don’t be forgetting the dib dib dibbing and the dob dob dobbing, that shit is manly as fuck yo. I have honestly no idea what the fuck you are saying ...  |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 0:37:08 GMT -5
It’s from the original grand howl.. what, are you a fake scout or something?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 1:07:11 GMT -5
How many times can you recall a friendship being jostled or broken over a woman? If a girl gets thrown into the mix then naturally the boys will compete for the girl and it would complicate everything and them likely being stuffed with hormones won't help either. That's not helping males bond.
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Post by GRUG on May 23, 2018 1:19:30 GMT -5
It’s from the original grand howl.. what, are you a fake scout or something? That's apparently a "Cub Scouts" thing. Cub Scouts was the junior version of Boy Scouting (ages 5 - 11). I was in "Boy Scouts" from age 12 - 18. I wasn't in Cub Scouting, so I didn't know what the grand howl was. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 1:48:15 GMT -5
But you do now. You’re welcome.
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