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Post by TOS on Apr 28, 2018 8:52:06 GMT -5
Read about it here.Say what you will about The Don, but this is impressive...and if this leads to the official end to the Korean War and positive World - North Korean relations, Trump will have succeeded where his predecessors have failed.
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Post by Aisleen on Apr 28, 2018 9:02:30 GMT -5
Im still a bit skeptical, but gotta admit: smooth move.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 9:05:16 GMT -5
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TOS
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Post by TOS on Apr 28, 2018 9:14:30 GMT -5
Im still a bit skeptical, but gotta admit: smooth move. Skepticism should always be encouraged, especially with regards to something of this magnitude that has been, to date, an unwinnable battle.
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Post by deathevokation on Apr 28, 2018 9:26:19 GMT -5
Nah.. I won't read it here... gotta go on Twitter to confirm with the blue checkmarks and see what Rational Wiki and Snopes have to say about this!
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Post by 40oz on Apr 28, 2018 9:44:14 GMT -5
Fuck yeah! I didn't know that the other presidents before Trump declined to meet in North Korea. I always thought it was the other way around. I think speaking face to face is super super SUPER fucking important, and Donald Trump is probably the perfect person for it (except maybe for Dwayne Johnson)
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TOS
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Post by TOS on Apr 28, 2018 10:54:51 GMT -5
(except maybe for Dwayne Johnson) A thin line, 40. You're walking one. You know how I feel about that "actor."
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Post by Justince on Apr 28, 2018 11:17:12 GMT -5
Well. Not really. What you won't read in the media, is it's well-accepted in intelligence circles that Kim destroyed his own nuclear program during that massive collapse of the test site that killed over 200 of his technicians and scientists. China won't permit him to do any open-air testing because of nuclear drift/fallout, and to create another underground test site would take decades. So he really has no choice to make peace, as he has no active nuclear development program and the sanctions are taking their toll. Of course Don is in a great position to take credit for all this, which he will, but it doesn't matter because it would have happened without his stupid ass anyway.
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TOS
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Post by TOS on Apr 28, 2018 11:26:18 GMT -5
Well. Not really. What you won't read in the media, is it's well-accepted in intelligence circles that Kim destroyed his own nuclear program during that massive collapse of the test site that killed over 200 of his technicians and scientists. China won't permit him to do any open-air testing because of nuclear drift/fallout, and to create another underground test site would take decades. So he really has no choice to make peace, as he has no active nuclear development program and the sanctions are taking their toll. Of course Don is in a great position to take credit for all this, which he will, but it doesn't matter because it would have happened without his stupid ass anyway. Given Trump's statements regarding China (North Koreas only ally) earlier in his presidency and during his campaign, I'd say that his actions are still something to be admired since China has decided to back the U.S. in this ordeal. Wouldn't you?
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Post by Justince on Apr 28, 2018 11:50:32 GMT -5
No. China 'backing' the US is just being in the right place at the right time. This is the same song and dance NK has been doing forever. Get all aggressive, bring things right to an edge, then suddenly decide to play nice and get everyone's guard down while raking in foreign aid that goes right into Kim's family coffers. The biggest change here is the massive (and confirmed) destruction of his major test site. There are other smaller sites still in operation, so naturally Kim would need time to bring things back to full scale. Time the world is willing to give him now that's he's suddenly interested in peace. This has nothing to do with the blowhard, he's ultimately another pawn in whatever scheme NK is cooking up.
Maybe I'm wrong, they're talking about reunification..but seriously, have you thought about how that would even work? Kim would have to give up power, his people could no longer be brainwashed or cut of from the rest of the world. How is that going to sit with him? Maybe he's sick of being Dear Leader and just wants to be a rich fat asshole, that's possible. I guess we don't really know. But I'm far from giving Commander Pornfucker any credit for any of this.
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TOS
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Post by TOS on Apr 28, 2018 22:08:25 GMT -5
Mmmmmmm...pornfucker...thanks for the erection!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 0:05:58 GMT -5
I approve of Trump actually meeting with Kim but I think his loud mouth rhetoric about Nuclear war on Twitter was insanely irresponsible. I think things could have just as easily played out this way without all that childish and frankly very risky shit - Those are 'fighting words' and a foreign leader could see it and just as easily use it as a reason for potentially deadly hostility. I feel like we luckily had the dice roll in our favour despite some really clumsy moves.
If this continues to move along smoothly, that'll be 2 points for Trump in my book, this and pulling out of the TPP.
With that said he still has even more negatives, far as I'm concerned. The corporate tax cuts from Bush in 2007 were the catalyst for the Global Financial Crisis in 2008, despite having positive returns for a year in between. It's a short term gain for a long term downward economic trend. Trump basically did it again, we're in the positive returns stage right now. If by late 2019 we're still sailing smoothly, I will happily eat my words.
There's also other retarded crap like the banning of Transsexuals from the military, even if they're just as fit and healthy as any other soldier. Just a pointless negative mark on his record. I don't get it one fucking bit.
Another one is healthcare. Despite what baseless propaganda would have us believe, universal healthcare (not "free", hate when people say that, taxpayer funded like roads, schools and the military) would be a massive improvement to quality of life for most Americans. We've had it here for decades and it works fine. I would not have been able to afford treatment for several medical issues I've had if I lived in America, I would have just had to accept a lower quality of life or be lucky enough to find myself in a high paying job. Let's be honest here, even when you've got the skills, finding a job that pays you a good salary is a very lucky thing indeed. None of that soul-crushing and literally body destroying worry is on my back because of universal healthcare. By the way, it just reduces costs, it doesn't get rid of them entirely - 75% of your bill is payed by tax money, the rest comes out of your wallet. With how much money the average American pays in taxes per year, healthcare could be easily covered with no changes whatsoever other than reducing a fraction of what is spent on the military and instead funneling it to healthcare. We literally waste hundreds of millions on equipment that will never be used simply to justify how much is currently spent on the military, while people are dying from preventable illnesses. It's backwards as fuck. We would simply be using money that is currently thrown in the fucking bin!
As far as the porn star stuff, it's not very presidential behavior I guess but who honestly gives a fuck. The fact that so much media time was devoted to that and so little time was devoted to actual substantive issues is disgusting but par for the course. Vapid shit.
Obama wasn't great either. Drone strikes, wiretapping - Basically I've learned we can never trust the cunt on the throne. Sorry for the long unfocused ramble.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 2:52:34 GMT -5
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Post by technician on May 2, 2018 17:40:04 GMT -5
I approve of Trump actually meeting with Kim but I think his loud mouth rhetoric about Nuclear war on Twitter was insanely irresponsible. I think things could have just as easily played out this way without all that childish and frankly very risky shit - Those are 'fighting words' and a foreign leader could see it and just as easily use it as a reason for potentially deadly hostility. I feel like we luckily had the dice roll in our favour despite some really clumsy moves. No. That was just what we needed. Asia doesn't respect limp-wrist faggots like Europe and post-Trump America. Remember when China left Obama walking off his plane without greetings and dignitaries? They gave trump the red carpet treatment because he threatens people when provoked. Korea was never threatened. Clinton ignored them and gave them money to cease nuclear testing. Bush did the same. Obama, of course, did that too. Trump finally put down his foot and told Kim if he didn't cooperate he'd put his foot up his ass and by lighting a fire under China with tariffs he assured China would finally give Kim the cold shoulder. There's also other retarded crap like the banning of Transsexuals from the military, even if they're just as fit and healthy as any other soldier. Just a pointless negative mark on his record. I don't get it one fucking bit. Except they're not healthy. People with diabetes, flat feet, and diagnosed depression/anxiety issues can't get into the military why put someone who needs to grease there fake vagina so it won't heal together on the killing field? You can't have diabetes in the trenches because you can't stop and take your insulin in a time of combat. You can't have bipolar suffers on the front line because they are a few pills away from possibly losing control. Why would we need a person who needs steady hormone therapy to maintain their state of being there? Get real.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 3:11:52 GMT -5
"PROMISING FIRE AND FURY" was maybe a bit too much? I mean there's a place for showmanship but I feel like enough of his rhetoric came across as chest-pounding stupidity. There are more than 2 approaches to be taken. Whatever, as I've already stated, at least the dice rolled in our favor. I feel he could have put the same amount pressure on without acting like a schoolyard bully on Twitter. Forgive me if that opinion isn't some hard-liner crap but let's be realistic about how this all went down. Unnecessarily risky jargon was being thrown around by the President in a blase fashion on a platform read by hundreds of millions. To deny that is to be patently wrong.
'Trans' covers a wide array of situations though. I feel like you're making a false equivalency here, at least to some degree. Some trans people are both mentally and physically fit and able bodied enough to serve, they're not all the caricature that automatically comes to mind for some people. It just seems like an unnecessary measure - all potential soldiers are given health checks before being accepted. Let the confirmation or denial happen at that stage, not just the "lol ur trans get rekt bitchhhhhh" bullshit that it came off as.
Is there no argument about the healthcare point? Let's hash this out fully, I'd love to hear the arguments as to why American emergency rooms being flooded by people with minor ailments just so they can claim them on insurance (and thus actually afford them) is better than having the choice between a public and private option. We're not having this shitstorm over here in Australia because of the option to go private if you have the money or go public if you can't afford anything else. I've heard all kinds of arguments against it that tend to be nonsense but since you can actually make decent points, I'd like to hear what you have to say on this issue.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 10:23:50 GMT -5
'Trans' covers a wide array of situations though. I feel like you're making a false equivalency here, at least to some degree. Some trans people are both mentally and physically fit and able bodied enough to serve, they're not all the caricature that automatically comes to mind for some people. This may technically be true, but the vast majority of people who identify as "trans" are going to be suffering from significant mental and/or physical challenges, and as such they represent a liability to the military and would weaken the ranks. Below is a quote from an article by Linda Chavez. "According to the American Psychiatric Association, gender dysphoria “is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.” It seems fair to say, however, that those who choose to undergo the painful surgeries and lifelong hormonal treatments necessary to transition their sex don’t do so lightly but are indeed experiencing significant distress. The question isn’t whether transgender individuals have the right to live as they choose—they do—but that does not mean they have a right to serve in the military. All sorts of physical and mental conditions preclude military service. The reasons vary, but the underlying assumption is that any condition that might make deployment and combat readiness more difficult justifies excluding certain individuals. Everything from asthma to plantar fasciitis may be disqualifying, depending on when the individual experienced the condition and its severity, and some medical conditions, such as diabetes, are automatically so. But so are common mental conditions. People who suffer from depression or other mood disorders—even adults with attention deficit disorder—can be excluded. The military rejects these individuals not out of prejudice but because their conditions complicate the mission of the military. Individuals who require medication on a daily basis are more difficult to deploy in a wartime situation. Someone who has diabetes quickly becomes a liability on the battlefield when there isn’t access to proper food or insulin or other medication. Transgender individuals require hormone treatments for the rest of their lives after transitioning. What happens when a transgender soldier runs out of male or female hormone replacement treatments while deployed? How long would a transsexual be unable to deploy while recovering from surgery?"
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Post by Justince on May 3, 2018 11:12:14 GMT -5
'Trans' covers a wide array of situations though. I feel like you're making a false equivalency here, at least to some degree. Some trans people are both mentally and physically fit and able bodied enough to serve, they're not all the caricature that automatically comes to mind for some people. All sorts of physical and mental conditions preclude military service. The reasons vary, but the underlying assumption is that any condition that might make deployment and combat readiness more difficult justifies excluding certain individuals. Everything from asthma to plantar fasciitis may be disqualifying... Don't forget those lethal bone spurs. And being rich. Transpeople in the military is a touchy subject. But I for one vehemently disagree with the military being saddled with the medical cost of personnel transitioning. Don't know if that still a thing, but it's total bullshit.
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Post by deathevokation on May 3, 2018 12:51:16 GMT -5
Army service is a matter of life and death and a squad, platoon or company isn't just about you when the rest of the squad relies on you and your body to be at the absolute peak level.. I wouldn't be able to make it into the army either because of also minor medical conditions (much more minor than surgery and putting chemicals into your body) which are absolutely beyond my control that I have to take medication for and yes it sucks, but I'm ok with this because I'm not selfish and a platoon isn't about me... it's about everyone else, too, i'd hate it if they laxed on the quality control to let people like myself in the army because even if I am able to carry my duty unharmed somewhere down the line someone with a slightly worse variation of the same condition that I have could put a platoon in danger.. the process of selecting a platoon with 68 soldiers should be cruel and harsh and unforgiving because reducing risks is all about constantly taking worst possible scenarios into account on every decision because even one casualty is too many, that's one person whose parents and/or wife and children don't get to see him anymore.. the most humanitarian stance is honestly to deny up to 500 people if it means that even one person further down the line doesn't under perform and put other lives at risk..
There's a reason why the US army has a strong kill to death ratio against terrorists (obviously this goes beyond "being transphobic", haha).. let them continue what they're doing, they discriminate on so many fronts and in the long run this seems to be working and shouldn't be "fixed".. this is such a stupid front to have a "conversation" on.. honestly, I hate weighing in on sensitive subjects like these because the people you're arguing with just fall back on guilt tripping you anyway and "why do you hate trans people so much?" when they lose things to come up with.. or isolate a paragraph when it's attached to a bigger point. There's probably some drama queen doing that right now, haha.
I'm saying this as someone whose named after my father's friend who served under him and lost his life, btw.. there were people who got discharged for exhibiting even slightly "off" behavior because and I can't emphasize this enough; 1 person < 67 people. 1 casualty is too much... even if you're fighting in a civil war where casualties are expected... every single person who served under him who lost his life broke his heart and he still has nightmares about it 40+ years later.
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Post by Justince on May 3, 2018 15:09:56 GMT -5
There's a reason why the US army has a strong kill to death ratio against terrorists (obviously this goes beyond "being transphobic", haha).. let them continue what they're doing, they discriminate on so many fronts and in the long run this seems to be working and shouldn't be "fixed".. this is such a stupid front to have a "conversation" on.. honestly, I hate weighing in on sensitive subjects like these because the people you're arguing with just fall back on guilt tripping you anyway and "why yall hate trans people?" when they lose things to come up with.. or isolate a paragraph when it's attached to a bigger point. There's probably some drama queen doing that right now, haha. I'll isolate this paragraph because you're absolutely right. Of course the default guilt trip is what these people fall back on, this is always the end result when people argue backed only by empathy and emotion instead of common sense and logic. They will always turn around on an externally perceived lack of empathy or 'hatred' of a group, regardless of such concepts having nothing to do with a rational discussion or speaking for you on behalf of your own motivations. It's really the most common tactic their playbook.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 6:46:28 GMT -5
Oh, come on now. You know I'm not going to pull that cheap horse shit. Every response I've seen so far seems to be logic driven rather than bigotry driven so I take no issue with any of you.
To veer back to the original topic, I still think Trump's rhetoric was irresponsible stupidity and Americans are fucking retards when it comes to healthcare!! FIGHT ME!!!!!
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Post by deathevokation on May 4, 2018 7:27:27 GMT -5
I wasn't referring to you, Doomkid... you're awesome. I have no problem with your posts, you're our token Middle Guy afterall. ;P
It's mostly the kind of people who use the word "toxic" that I'm talking about where I've had conversations that were just as pleasant as smashing my head against the wall or swimming to the bottom of the pool and staying there.
BTW, what Trump was doing was just a bit of Twitter banter... if you can't handle it I suggest just logging off the platform and maybe checking your estrogen levels while you're at it.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 8:53:42 GMT -5
what Trump was doing was just a bit of Twitter banter... if you can't handle it I suggest just logging off the platform and maybe checking your estrogen levels while you're at it. All I'm saying is, if I had access to the "Nuke 'Em" button, I wouldn't be shocked when people demanded I at least pretend to handle myself like a sensible person!
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Post by deathevokation on May 4, 2018 9:01:47 GMT -5
Psh... it's just locker room small talk. He'll never follow through with it, obviously, we've still yet to recover from the consequences from WWII..
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 9:17:58 GMT -5
To this day I still wonder what Adolf Hitler's favorite anime would be, and perhaps I may wonder that for all of eternity.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 9:25:44 GMT -5
Hitler would like that girly crap, not manly MANIME like DRAGONBALLZ
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