Trump signs massive spending bill...where's your wall?

Nah it doesn't strike me as dumb, but it does strike me more of being green and of laziness because understanding requires effort on your part.. I like debate where the topic stays on the forefront because as part of the audience you can actually learn from it when it doesn't get devolve into shrill screeching. Even though not everyone shows it, a lot of arguments revolving around politics is because on a deeper level a lot of people care.

I only really cared for it when I started seeing horrific images of farm murders and photos depicting the aftermath of girls getting mutilated, given "smileys" and raped infront of their parents then getting hung upside down while the husband now has to watch this happen to his wife (unable to move because the bones in his hands, legs and his fingers have been broken and crushed with a hammer) because they're not the same colour as their murderers.. then seeing a black lady wearing a beret shouting about freedom (because farms in the middle of nowhere with acres of land were used to show how disproportionate land ownership is, I mean fucking hell; a medium income farm vs multiple billion dollar mansions can still be disproportionate on paper) and "fact checking" sites reporting the murders as "payment disputes".. it helps being versed in the environment and politics that surrounds it before just being an activist who only sees symptoms on a surface level otherwise you might direct your "activism" against the wrong people. If you actually want to find a cure for any symptom (in my case; the symptom being the farm murders, the lady with the berett and partially even the skin colour of the murderers/victims) you'd have to identify what exactly it's a symptom of, and in identifying the root cause you might actually unravel an even greater disaster looming on the horizon. Even if you don't have an interest in politics, politics has an interest in you (I shamelessly stole this saying, btw).

Justince and Contra are both Americans that obviously care about their country's long term future even if they might not agree on the same methods and legislation to keep said future from being an authoritarian dystopia.. and it's awesome seeing a debate where both people focus more on the conclusion than being "right" or pwning their enemy because they know they're in this together.

Either way, no offence but if you get worked up by debates why do you read them? I don't lurk on "Rational" Wiki's bad faith articles to find things to disagree with..

Haha, even if I was on the opposite end of Justince's remark I'd have a hard time not laughing at it and if anyone reads it without being a triggered retard it just reads as drinking koolaid or putting your head in the sand because "your guy" is in office.. it's something Obama supporters did when "their guy" was in office and is something that some Trump supporters are doing because "their guy" is in office, if both sides held their candidate's feet to the fire during his term there'd have been so much shit (and even destabilizations of countries) that would have been avoided.

Anyway, I'd just build the wall around California, but that's just me..