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Post by Justince on Mar 25, 2018 20:48:58 GMT -5
Okay Contra tell you what, you keep track of every cent of that bill and if any of it goes to shit that Republicans didn't vote for like Planned Parenthood, gun control, or the visa worker program, you can come back here and eat every one of these posts, mkay? Whose saying that they will or will not? So you're like the equivalent of a guy walking by a conversation and says 'Well you're damned if you do and damned if you don't...' Thanks for the uh, contribution. Besides the provisions within the bill explicitly state Trump can't use it for any of the proposed prototype walls and only adds to existing structures, so my point still stands.
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Post by GRUG on Mar 26, 2018 1:00:04 GMT -5
Besides the provisions within the bill explicitly state Trump can't use it for any of the proposed prototype walls and only adds to existing structures, so my point still stands. I could be wrong on this, but the bill is only good for 6 months. After that, Donald can wipe his ass with it. Edit: But a question I have is this.... Does the Donald have ultimate spending power, or does congress have the ultimate spending power?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 5:48:35 GMT -5
Whose saying that they will or will not? So you're like the equivalent of a guy walking by a conversation and says 'Well you're damned if you do and damned if you don't...' Thanks for the uh, contribution. Besides the provisions within the bill explicitly state Trump can't use it for any of the proposed prototype walls and only adds to existing structures, so my point still stands. No I'm the equivalent of a guy shedding light on reality. You're just partisan, like all of these news outlets ignoring the nuances of the budget process. Are you telling me that the execution of the budget, and apportionment doesn't matter? Because it does.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 6:35:47 GMT -5
Besides the provisions within the bill explicitly state Trump can't use it for any of the proposed prototype walls and only adds to existing structures, so my point still stands. I could be wrong on this, but the bill is only good for 6 months. After that, Donald can wipe his ass with it. Edit: But a question I have is this.... Does the Donald have ultimate spending power, or does congress have the ultimate spending power? www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/omb/assets/a11_current_year/a11_2017/s10.pdfThe OMB will dole out the funds from the budget to the various agencies. They're all nominated by Trump, and ultimately, they need to comply with the President's policies. Also, the budget isn't set in stone, it can be subject to change, due to various reasons.
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Post by Justince on Mar 26, 2018 10:12:38 GMT -5
Well great. Of course execution of the budget matters, that's why I'm asking you, the resident cheerleader to watch it like a fucking hawk, if you're so sure Trump and his 'policies' are going to be adhered to. Otherwise you're just getting another giant dick right up the ass. So sing kumbayah to the trees and hope Trump isn't selling you lemmings down the river.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 10:51:32 GMT -5
Well great. Of course execution of the budget matters, that's why I'm asking you, the resident cheerleader to watch it like a fucking hawk, if you're so sure Trump and his 'policies' are going to be adhered to. Otherwise you're just getting another giant dick right up the ass. So sing kumbayah to the trees and hope Trump isn't selling you lemmings down the river. First of all, I don’t follow Trump or the GOP 100% in lock-step, like how 99% of brain dead democrats do with their party. For example, I don’t give a fuck about planned parenthood, and abortion. Second of all, I don’t have to watch jack shit, I’m telling you the way the process works. I not so naive to think 100% of the platform is going to get accomplished. Third of all, you’re a great example of the why the democrats lost power. Are you okay? Because you sound like you have a big dick up your ass! Nobody ever ridiculed you for your political leaning here; so take it down a notch.
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Post by Justince on Mar 26, 2018 10:59:28 GMT -5
I see why you got into politics in the fist place. All smoke and no fire. Talk in circles without saying anything. Non-committal, ineffectual, impotent, and ultimately powerless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 11:14:32 GMT -5
I see why you got into politics in the fist place. All smoke and no fire. Talk in circles without saying anything. Non-committal, ineffectual, impotent, and ultimately powerless. Nice projection.
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Post by BattleKorbi on Mar 26, 2018 11:16:26 GMT -5
All smoke and no fire. Talk in circles without saying anything. Non-committal, ineffectual, impotent, and ultimately powerless. This is discussing politics on the internet in a nutshell. No specific side, no specific direction on the compass. All of it. There are hundreds of people right now saying this for the lefties, then another hundred for the righties, then a hundred for the centralists, then a hundred for the extremes. And its all fucking noisy. How the fuck do you people don't get tired of this?
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Post by Justince on Mar 26, 2018 11:22:09 GMT -5
I see why you got into politics in the fist place. All smoke and no fire. Talk in circles without saying anything. Non-committal, ineffectual, impotent, and ultimately powerless. Nice projection. Lol did you just hit me with the old 'I know you are but what am I?' Haha. Don't quit debate club on my account, you've got a ways to go.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 11:26:15 GMT -5
Lol did you just hit me with the old 'I know you are but what am I?' Haha. Don't quit debate club on my account, you've got a ways to go. Debate? you can't live with the fact that the process is what it is. Rather, you create these lame straw man arguments. Sorry if I shattered your dream about the budget. Prove to me how I'm wrong about the budget execution, without diverting the conversation to the content of my character.
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Post by 40oz on Mar 26, 2018 11:33:56 GMT -5
TBH I'd be surprised if Trump actually intended to build that wall thing ever. To me it seems like it was a cheap story to win the votes of radically-minded Americans, like a delusion of some sort, and totally not like a legit measure he wants to take in the future. The idea of building a big brick wall on the border is kinda comical. I dunno, it just doesn't seem real to me. Especially with the part where he makes Mexico pay for it, I can't think of a way he'd persuade anyone to allocate BIG MONEY to building a > 1000 km wall for the benefit of someone else. Same here, man. The Berlin wall was taken down during Reagan's presidency and here's the celebrity president reincarnation talking about building them back up. It smells like a sales pitch to get him into office and get people to follow his tweets.
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Post by Justince on Mar 26, 2018 12:45:16 GMT -5
Lol did you just hit me with the old 'I know you are but what am I?' Haha. Don't quit debate club on my account, you've got a ways to go. Debate? you can't live with the fact that the process is what it is. Rather, you create these lame straw man arguments. Sorry if I shattered your dream about the budget. Prove to me how I'm wrong about the budget execution, without diverting the conversation to the content of my character. I don't have to prove you're wrong, you're already willing to hang yourself with your own rope. You won't follow the money because it will lead to Democratic policies being funded by your President and your tax dollars. You already admitted you won't. If you're so fucking sure about the budget and where it will go you've got nothing to fear right? So let's just watch the money, if you dare.
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Post by GRUG on Mar 26, 2018 13:21:09 GMT -5
Same here, man. The Berlin wall was taken down during Reagan's presidency and here's the celebrity president reincarnation talking about building them back up. You're talking about two totally different walls here. Here's a history lesson: After WW2 (when Germany was literally getting raped to oblivion), Germany was partitioned into 4 allied occupations (American, French, British, and Soviet Union). Eventually the Americans, Brits, and Frenchmen returned the occupation to the post-Nazi Germany new government (modern day Federal Republic of Germany). However, the Soviets kept their regions under their iron fist, which became Communist East Germany. The purpose of the Berlin wall was to prevent people from defecting from the East to the West. In other words, the wall was to keep people IN. Not OUT. This was a nation of people Germans that was politically divided under a foreign communist dictatorship. They were prevented from seeing their families from the West and were forced to stay in the East. The fall of the Berlin wall was to re-unify the German nation and expel communism from Europe. The American Southern border wall is to prevent non-citizens from illegally immigrating to the US, as well as deter drug smuggling, etc... Are non-US citizens part of the US nation 40oz? No, they are not. You're comparing apples to fucking coconuts with this wall comparison. I see this argument a lot and it pisses me the fuck off.
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Post by Justince on Mar 26, 2018 13:37:44 GMT -5
It's a moot point 40oz, they're never getting the stupid wall. It was all 'political theater' as Contra put it. They got played. He'll either be impeached or voted out of office on his ass long before it even becomes an issue. He can go back back to eating cheeseburgers, boning porn stars and dicking over migrant workers with frivolous lawsuits before you know it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 13:47:22 GMT -5
Debate? you can't live with the fact that the process is what it is. Rather, you create these lame straw man arguments. Sorry if I shattered your dream about the budget. Prove to me how I'm wrong about the budget execution, without diverting the conversation to the content of my character. I don't have to prove you're wrong, you're already willing to hang yourself with your own rope. You won't follow the money because it will lead to Democratic policies being funded by your President and your tax dollars. You already admitted you won't. If you're so fucking sure about the budget and where it will go you've got nothing to fear right? So let's just watch the money, if you dare. I'm not sure of where the money will go, and neither are you. So stop acting so fucking high-handed. What I am sure is that the procedure is how I stated.
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Post by GRUG on Mar 26, 2018 13:56:00 GMT -5
Voting is not going to change anything. It doesn't even matter what elephant or jackass is in office.
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Post by Justince on Mar 26, 2018 13:58:30 GMT -5
Alright man, you're right. I don't know where the money will go. Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are dancing in the streets but they failed to take into account Contra "budget execution" Commando. Long time Trump supporters and most of the staunch Republican base are jumping ship in droves but alas, here to save the day is Contra "budget execution" Commando. His process will salvage this blatant backstab. Hold the line, MAGA!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 14:12:59 GMT -5
Alright man, you're right. I don't know where the money will go. Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are dancing in the streets but they failed to take into account Contra "budget execution" Commando. Long time Trump supporters and most of the staunch Republican base are jumping ship in droves but alas, here to save the day is Contra "budget execution" Commando. His process will salvage this blatant backstab. Hold the line, MAGA! Yeah, here's the separations of powers within our government to prevent the cocksuckers in the democratic party from illegitimately having their way. It's not me coming to the rescue, it's how our government works.
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Post by Justince on Mar 26, 2018 14:38:13 GMT -5
Alright man, you're right. I don't know where the money will go. Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are dancing in the streets but they failed to take into account Contra "budget execution" Commando. Long time Trump supporters and most of the staunch Republican base are jumping ship in droves but alas, here to save the day is Contra "budget execution" Commando. His process will salvage this blatant backstab. Hold the line, MAGA! Yeah, here's the separations of powers within our government to prevent the cocksuckers in the democratic party from illegitimately having their way. It's not me coming to the rescue, it's how our government works. Yes, and my point, in case you're being willfully obstinate, is that you appear to be the only one on your side aware of it, which leads me to believe there's more in this bill and how the money is to be used than you or I may be aware of.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 15:32:34 GMT -5
Yeah, here's the separations of powers within our government to prevent the cocksuckers in the democratic party from illegitimately having their way. It's not me coming to the rescue, it's how our government works. Yes, and my point, in case you're being willfully obstinate, is that you appear to be the only one on your side aware of it, which leads me to believe there's more in this bill and how the money is to be used than you or I may be aware of. I'm not trying to be obstinate. I just wanted to point out that aspect of the budget process. In the past, the president had a lot more authority to omit parts of the budget. But a law was passed in the 1970s during Nixon's presidency that had curbed this. Then with Clinton, he had utilized what was known as a "Line-item veto" to take out parts of the budget, but this was seen as a violation of the law passed during Nixon, and a stop was put to it by the Supreme Court. I believe every president has struggled with congress about the budget, and they try to find ways to best exact their own initiatives, which come into conflict with what congress wants sometimes.
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Post by Justince on Mar 26, 2018 15:42:14 GMT -5
"Tucked in the 2,232-page omnibus spending bill is a provision that adds another layer of complication to the Trump administration’s reorganization initiatives. According to the omnibus, agencies cannot simply cut or eliminate a specific program or office unless Congress has authorized the move in an appropriations bill. “None of the funds made available in this or any other appropriations Act may be used to increase, eliminate, or reduce funding for a program, project, or activity as proposed in the president’s budget request for a fiscal year until such proposed change is subsequently enacted in an appropriation act, or unless such change is made pursuant to the reprogramming or transfer provisions of this or any other appropriations act,” the 2018 spending bill reads." Care to clarify this? I'm actually seriously asking. It sure sounds like this overrides the Executive Branch's ability to do squat with these funds. I sound flippant but I know you're more versed in this shit than I am. Or is it just business as usual? federalnewsradio.com/budget/2018/03/omnibus-complicates-administrations-reorganization-plans-as-congress-begins-votes/
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 16:38:12 GMT -5
"Tucked in the 2,232-page omnibus spending bill is a provision that adds another layer of complication to the Trump administration’s reorganization initiatives. According to the omnibus, agencies cannot simply cut or eliminate a specific program or office unless Congress has authorized the move in an appropriations bill. “None of the funds made available in this or any other appropriations Act may be used to increase, eliminate, or reduce funding for a program, project, or activity as proposed in the president’s budget request for a fiscal year until such proposed change is subsequently enacted in an appropriation act, or unless such change is made pursuant to the reprogramming or transfer provisions of this or any other appropriations act,” the 2018 spending bill reads." Care to clarify this? I'm actually seriously asking. It sure sounds like this overrides the Executive Branch's ability to do squat with these funds. I sound flippant but I know you're more versed in this shit than I am. Or is it just business as usual? federalnewsradio.com/budget/2018/03/omnibus-complicates-administrations-reorganization-plans-as-congress-begins-votes/Now that's interesting, and certainly does add some issues for the administration.
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Post by technician on Mar 28, 2018 0:47:12 GMT -5
I'd be more concerned over his complacency with the new CLOUD act.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 5:13:07 GMT -5
Holy shit Justince and Contra's back and forth is entertaining shit, please keep it up both of you You're both fucking golden, rofl
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