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Post by agent6 on Mar 22, 2018 11:55:14 GMT -5
I'm not really interested in what this guy the thread is about did, however this topic is definitely welcome as it raised my awareness about how free speech is in some countries I had a rather positive view.
Jeez where the hell is this world going... We don't have anything even remotely similar to such censorship and extremely easy offended people here, yet bashing certain things will attract negative attention upon you, and of course by this I mean religion. You're free to bash any religion as far as I'm aware if you so desire, but you'll gain quite a number of people hating you since the overwhelming majority are orthodox christians, many of whom also fall under the fundamentalist/hardcore category (in other, simpler words, let's say people who'd probably want to burn you at stake if you dare criticize their religion), a good number of them being very intolerant. For this reason even being an atheist and open about it is sometimes a bad idea and generally unadvised, whereas being something else is going to make your life very, very difficult. Lots of people are also unable to comprehend subscribing to a different belief system or none at all, often thinking "you don't understand it's importance/you're going through a phase/you just want a reason to sin/you're a moron etc.", yeah, you definitely don't want to get involved in a conversation on this topic with these people, screaming at the sky or talking to a brick wall is more productive... They're also full of prejudice and hateful towards something they hate, such as rock/metal music. Just google up for the Colectiv incident, those were hard days for us metal folk... and that tragic event only made our life more difficult since then... Yes, the situation has slightly improved since the incident, but overall it's still worse than before and things are not going to change anytime soon, so I just stopped caring altogether.
Another problem would also be family. I for instance come from a hardcore christian family so I obviously keep my ideas to myself, I harshly criticized christianity once a few years ago and my mother wanted to send me to talk with popes "to better understand it", and since then I went quiet as this is going just nofuckingwhere. Being primarily a metalhead is not helping me either since they associate the 2 and even think it's influencing people a lot... I'll probably never be open with them, or anyone else in real life, for that matter, and I have no problem with this honestly, I've kept so many things to myself my whole life I'm used to doing this, I rarely ever open myself to someone, and when I do it's never on 100%, not even close, in fact very, very few people earn this privilege.
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Post by 40oz on Mar 22, 2018 15:11:00 GMT -5
The real demon for it is anything governmental or business; any workplace, school, college, university or public area of interest (town/city centre) is a hive for PC rules and culture where saying jokes out loud will earn you anything from bad looks, tongue lashings (verbal tellings off) to physical confrontation from civies You'll definitely get bad looks here at times. It's not very common that people are shouting "WOW THAT'S FUCKING GAY" loud enough for other people to hear it, but of course most strangers don't take very well to it. It's rare, but on occasion, someone who's feeling brave will try and stand up to you for calling your friend a retard because they might have a child who is disabled or something and they want more people to show some respect. Whatever they have to say doesn't have any weight in the court of law though, so they have to use their own best judgment if this is really something they want to involve themselves in. The news says a lot of people are getting shot in the streets these days so you want to choose carefully what kind of battle you think you can win. Not that I know anyone who got shot over an argument, but that lingering fear is always there -- particularly in cities. You can definitely be excused or suspended from any kind of learning institution or fired from or denied an opportunity for a job for being too insensitive, including social media presence. It has nothing to do with the police though. However, being overtly racist usually escalates into violence, and preaching a religion or anti-religion or whatever usually requires a permit or something so the police might stop you for "disturbing the peace." I would think people imagine that freedom of speech means we call each other niggers all the time but that literally never happens. We do have shame here, even though the internet is trying to shame everyone else into believing that they've been oppressed for dozens of generations. All that said, I really appreciate it when someone makes an attempt to open my mind to a different point of view. If they tell me that what I said was hurtful to them, I'm always very open and receptive about that, and my friends are too. Unfortunately almost every accusation made towards me about being fascist or racist or homophobic or any of that always came from people on the internet who wanted to put me on the defensive and watch me squirm. They say if you spread a lie enough, it eventually becomes true. All these people trying to score brownie points with SJW's so they can be invited into their exclusive club of intolerance makes everything about internet communities so depressing.
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Post by agent6 on Mar 22, 2018 16:09:57 GMT -5
I would never want to live there. Pretty much sums up my thoughts on this situation. You know, in the recent years I've noticed a rise in censorship and snowflakism here, but like I already mentioned in my previous post, things are nowhere near as bad. It's situations like this that often make you really, really appreciate what you have and how things are where you live. I'd never want to live in such an environment, and hearing about what people have to do on a daily basis to avoid landing in jail sounds genuinely terrifying. Luckily the chances of this happening are low, we very much enjoy and care about our freedom (of speech).
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Post by Justince on Mar 22, 2018 17:18:30 GMT -5
Every free Scotsman should teach their pets to do Nazi salutes. Send the government into total shutdown.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 1:31:37 GMT -5
To my point of view (along with the view of the average right-leaning American), the UK as a whole is left leaning. I view England is an authoritarian nanny state that enforces some of the most draconian anti-freedom laws known to mankind (all with the intentions of social tolerance, diversity, equality, public safety, blah blah blah blah... etc..) I would never want to live there. This is not going to be a popular opinion, but to me authoritarian states seem more right wing than left wing, using the traditional definitions at least.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 1:47:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 2:19:27 GMT -5
Using a pre-fab ideology to determine where your morals stand is not good when religious folks do it and it's not good when SJWs do it. It's especially not good when people want to then enforce that as the unchangeable, unwavering law of the land which everyone has to live under. I try my best to live by what American history has taught us all: Fascism is bad. Blind adherence is bad. Democracy is good. Freedom is good.
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Post by dn on Mar 23, 2018 7:08:18 GMT -5
This just appeared on the Met's website. They just changed the law without any democratic imput exactly like I said they would and it took them about two days to do it. Fuck me man.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 7:23:18 GMT -5
If ANYONE believes it was motivated by prejudice or hate? What the fuck, are you serious? So totally legal things can randomly and arbitrarily be made illegal on the whim of random morons now. Holy shit. I can't even process how insanely fucked up and backwards that is.
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Post by dn on Mar 23, 2018 7:30:05 GMT -5
Commentary: wingsoverscotland.com/nazi-pugs-fuck-off/This is fucking mental. Some fucking helicopter retard parents took their 16 year old to Thailand to have his balls and cock cut off and new tits installed (illegal in the UK at that age, now illegal also in Thailand). They then went on national television and bragged about it. Someone called it 'castration' on fucking twitter. Fee fees were hurt and behold! A new test case for the law! England you NEED TO GET YOUR FUCKING SHIT TOGETHER BEFORE YOU FUCK US ALL. DO SOMETHING.
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Post by 40oz on Mar 23, 2018 7:41:23 GMT -5
What is the end goal? What does a perfect society look like for someone who is in favor of laws like this?
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Post by BattleKorbi on Mar 23, 2018 11:27:18 GMT -5
Well, the books you mentioned are after all, belong to the Old Testament. It is probably going to make me sound like a madman or something, but all I am asking is for you to consider the time such books were written, and by extent, the Old Testament. The Hebrew race/nation/people/whatever was besieged at that time, by all sides (and they still kinda are), and there weren't many jews at the time. Of course, I cannot be bothered looking for statistical facts for the population of Hebrews BC or something ( because my bus is going to go in a hour, and I need to pack up beforehand, and clean the house), so I am just pulling out facts out of my ainis. Most of which are true though. As I said, not too much jews in the party, and judging by all the wars and conflicts, not too many will remain in it. That is kinda the reason the books were written in the first place; to help strengthen and expand a small nation, at the time which, to be honest, was beset at all sides by concepts of "gods behaving like humans" and stuff. There was a lot of homosexuality and adultery going around as well, whoever tells you there weren't any gay people in past is probably going to tell you that Africa is filled with demons or some third shit, so... Either way, just like today, the surefire way to ensure population growth is to have babies. And what increases the chance of having babies? Having men and women do the thing. Not men and men, not women and women. Men and women. But no random hookups either, no, since life was kinda shit at that time, a single man and (probably multiple) woma/(e)n had to be gathered in a alliance to ensure that their offsprings survive, grow up and become the people that would continue the tradition. I mean, yeah, killing gays was probably a bit too harsh, but, if you were a single gay dude in a community like that, with no way to gather data and research in time, how would you prove that you were totally harmless? So shit like that happened, yeah. Also, yup, going to sound like a absolute idiot to you, but adultery is terrible to me. There are people who find that fine, strangely, but I don't stand alone when saying adultery is fucking terrible. It's... It's... just bad. Yeah, someone might get some joy out of it, but... its just... too bad. We had a discussion about this already, and everyone knows. But back to the point: Such books don't make sense to people like us nowadays, but if you put yourself in a perspective as a member of a besieged nation, and just so it happened that you loved your people, these laws make sense. After all, the books were written to ensure the survivability of the Hebrew people, and to keep the morale up as well, and the Old Testament proves to be a good survival guide for the time when world goes to shit, most means of communication buzz out, and there is chaos. Of course, the survival part being the community in question: logistics and medicine, and that, that depends on the period itself, and since it isn't easy to write shit for people who probably cannot read, the writers just shrugged and God said: " Okay then, I see, just... just write this down okay?". For now, we have the New Testament, and this is what every fine christian person would refer to in the time of immediate need, while leaving the Old Testament to be a historical piece from which they could gather motivation from ("I mean, if some ppl living in the desert managed to survive, why can't you?" - bible motivational logic). Some people are dicks, and just pick things from the holy text just to hide their personal fears, and don't worry: good guys don't support them. They might tolerate them, but only to a extent. If it was the case that every Christian person was just standing at corners and were holding signs and cursing atheists to hells below, would I be talking with ya? I guess that " Inquisition Part 8th - the Electric Chairaloo" - coming to the church near you would be a thing as well. ( I said all of this not to spite you or to "convert" you, but just because you seem like a good guy and I wanted to see if you could see what I see out of all this. If you still feel like this is a load of bull, I understand, and won't bother ya further. Just don't take this personal, me matey.)
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Mar 23, 2018 13:18:18 GMT -5
Thank God I live in a shithole!
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Post by GRUG on Apr 25, 2018 1:18:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 2:04:15 GMT -5
Still outrageous, but much less so. Hopefully this doesn't set a precedent, people being punished criminally for offensive jokes is a disgusting concept.
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Post by 40oz on Apr 25, 2018 7:17:25 GMT -5
Daaaaaaaaaamn Count Dankula is absolutely right. It sets a very dangerous precedent.
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Post by deathevokation on Apr 25, 2018 8:53:39 GMT -5
I'm really happy he didn't get sent to jail... he's too much of a nice guy to deserve that. I found this clip entertaining. ... meanwhile, the real culprit gets off Scot free.
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Post by dn on Apr 25, 2018 11:02:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 23:55:31 GMT -5
Hey man, what are ya in for? I killed 3 people and set fire to their car
I beat and raped a dude for not paying me back for that pound of coke
I posted a video on YouTube of a dog raising it's paw while Hitler was on the TV
EDIT: Actually, fuck Count Dankula. He's a turd who should be flushed.
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Post by Olroda on Apr 26, 2018 0:59:25 GMT -5
Congratulations! You live in a police state!
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Post by dn on Apr 26, 2018 6:24:48 GMT -5
Delete nothing. Save everything. You're not going to win any fight for freedom of speech by meekly capitulating to the demands of a bunch of fucking censorious cocksuckers at the first sign of trouble.
It's money where the mouth is time. I've always argued against this shit and now - by writing, talking and posting poetry - I am actively breaking the law by doing so. It's fucking ridiculous, but there it is.
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Post by deathevokation on Apr 26, 2018 10:39:35 GMT -5
I've already scrapped Twitter, seeing as though they have a (I shit you not) dedicated team of officers hunting down offensive tweets: Haha... my Twitter is in limbo atm, they want me to provide my cell phone number because I displayed "suspicious" activity (alongside Jack linking to war mongering articles that claim the future must be partisan and calling them "interesting reads").. and they have a vague clause in their terms of service that they'll disclose any information to law enforcement they deem necessary if they're contacted by the "law". Over here, we're still protecting the majority from the minority with speech laws that constantly get redefined.. a colored man got arrested recently for just listening to skin head music, another person gets arrested for following Ben Shapiro. What grates me the most is all Kotaku reading Lefttards (literally all of them) are celebrating Twitter's measures to kill anonymity, crack down on "trolls" (people they disagree with) etc, imagine the Western world was authoritarian right wing and the media conditioned us in such a way to think that everyone that was too far "left" was considered a "troll" and deserved to be identified incase they do something further down the line (it wouldn't be that hard, actually... you can just imagine yourself 60 or so years back if internet was as popular, regulated and existed back then)... they're abusing the term and blurring the lines between dissidents and spergs that are just "out on a roll".. the amount of arrogance anyone must have to think that they should have authority to decide what political messages are worth expressing or not is beyond comprehension.. the reason why less rational ideologies aren't mainstream is because they were expressed fully and coherently in the first place and people rejected them! These same people want everyone to band together to fight net neutrality.. fucking lol.. they've destroyed the internet for future generations long ago and over first world problems at that, like women getting called mean names (often said women have flung insults as well).. now what about third world countries like mine where anonymity is much more precious and could become even more important in a few years time? Just a light prison sentence here is guaranteed to leave you with HIV. Now that Twitter has been given license to eliminate your anonymity, do people ever think they'll ever give that up, or will they try push their feet further into the door? I hope their great grand children will read their smug celebratory posts and resent them for it. It's sad because I found some really nice people there.
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Post by GRUG on Apr 26, 2018 12:41:31 GMT -5
... meanwhile, the real culprit gets off Scot free.
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Post by 40oz on Apr 27, 2018 6:52:51 GMT -5
American McGee wrote about this:
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